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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: FBCrabby on December 07, 2011, 03:21:45 AM
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http://youtu.be/9ENwwkS4U6U (http://youtu.be/9ENwwkS4U6U)
Basic Knowledge
A weird little Italian plane that possessed more operational sorties than pretty much any other Italian plane. Although it was lacking in firepower and engine power, it was still capable of carrying "saying for what is available in aces high" 2x 50kg or 2x 100kg bombs and if ever available 33x 15kg bombs "what good it will do - but fact is fact"
Operational History
(From nationalmuseum.af.mil) - The Regia Aeronautica first employed the Saetta against the British on the Mediterranean island of Malta. Italian pilots also flew the MC.200 in Greece, North Africa, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. The U.S. Army Air Forces fought against MC.200s in North Africa and over Italy itself.
Yugoslavia:
(From wiki) - C.200s from 4° Stormo took part in operations against Yugoslavia right from the start of hostilities. On the dawn of 6 April 1941, four C.200s from 73a Squadriglia flew over Pola fortress and attacked an oil tanker ship, setting it on fire. The 4° Stormo flew its last mission against Yugoslavia on 14 April: on that day, 20 C.200s from 10° Gruppo flew up to 100 km south of Karlovac without meeting any enemy aircraft. Operations ended on 17 April. During those 11 days, the 4° Stormo had not lost a single C.200. Its pilots destroyed 20 seaplanes and flying boats, damaging 10 more. In total, they had set on fire an oil tanker, a fuel truck, several other vehicles and destroyed port installations.
North Africa:
Faced off against the Hurricane and its nemesis the P40. Even though the Hurricane Mk II was faster, the C.200 was more agile. And the strong structure "bullet sponge" was great vs. the more heavily armed Hurricane. But when facing the P40, they were outmatched due to lack of firepower. Also, this is where it also operated ALOT as a fighter/bomber attacking naval ships.
Eastern Front:
"You don't want to know - its too depressing"
Performance:
Decent characteristics for an under-powered plane. Excellent turner with the ability to turn with or even out-turn a hurricane II. And when it entered service, only plane that could out climb it was the spitfire. Diving ability was top-notch and high speed turns was its forte. All-metal construction soaked up bullets and kept it alive; but, it was not fitted with cockpit armor. When it WAS fitted with cockpit armor - it was liable to flat spin due to weight imbalance. Posessed a distinctive "hump" that elevated the cockpit to provide the pilot with an unobstructed view over the engine.
Long story short. It dives well, turns well, and can take a hit. But firepower was lacking.
Specs:
Armament: 2x 12.7mm Breda machine guns - "Late-production Saettas were built with the MC.202 Serie VII wing, thus adding two 7.7 mm (.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns to the armament, thus giving it actually 4x 12.7mm mg's"
Engine: One FIAT A.74 R.C.38 double row, 14-cylinder, air cooled radial engine of 870 hp
Maximum speed: 313 mph at 5k
Range: 355 miles
Ceiling: 29,200 ft.
Weight: 5,275 lbs.
Sources:
http://youtu.be/9ENwwkS4U6U (http://youtu.be/9ENwwkS4U6U)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=405 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=405)
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_macchi_mc200.html (http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_macchi_mc200.html)
(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/C200icr_1.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/MC-200/Macchi-MC200-Saetta/images/1-Macchi-MC200-Saetta-359Sa-359-8-01.jpg)
(http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/macci_mc200_aldobidini.jpg)
Would make a nice little Eny 40 plane huh? :airplane:
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4*12.7mm machine guns is nonsense on this plane. It had a pair of 7.7mms, or (later models) a pair of 12.7mms, fitted with the new wing thats still 2*12.7mms and 2*7.7mms.
anyway, +1, with the general update of the c20x series.
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Love it! +1 :aok :aok
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can you guys please ask for an airplane that has a little more than a couple of slingshots. the c47 has better guns and as for capable, well look up the definition of slingshot :).
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True, this one isnt suitable for picking. Cnat get you down in one burst and cant run away. It must be a real crappy one, right?
:rolleyes:
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can you guys please ask for an airplane that has a little more than a couple of slingshots. the c47 has better guns and as for capable, well look up the definition of slingshot :).
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As debrody said, its a pickers worst possible ride, but I bet its fun to get down and dirty with.
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Not every ride has to be a cannon monster~ glad all the jet uber plane dweebs live in LW. A super turny, good diving C200 sounds like a blast!
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+1
I love any plane that gives me an opportunity to send uber and perk planes (and pilots) to the ground in a burning ball of metal parts and debris.
+1 to the KI-43 and Yak-3 too BTW! :aok
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Honestly, I like it, but I would rather see the Stromboli's that we already have get updated first :aok
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C.200 and S.M.79-II are the two most needed Italian aircraft.
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As debrody said, its a pickers worst possible ride, but I bet its fun to get down and dirty with.
Thats right - isn't that the point of the matter? It would make an excellent scenario plane that has ALOT of history! On top of that it is a nice down-and-dirty plane like it has said... I apologize to everyone for not bringing up the more UBER REdONKUlUS plane I can dream of...
But... For the record... This little plane would eat that Over-modeled Brewster's lunch and make it cry :x
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But... For the record... This little plane would eat that Over-modeled Brewster's lunch and make it cry :x
Ahh well, you obviously won't let facts get in the way of a knee jerk reaction. :)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/MacchiC200.jpg)
C.200 loses to Brewster in practically every measurable performance category.
Notes on the table above:
-Those weight are taken with both fighters carrying full internal fuel. Brewster carries 600liters of fuel while the C.200 carries roughly half of that and thus has significantly shorter range which means that in typical MA conditions Macchi is often forced to take 100% fuel while Brewster can take 50% which makes the difference in weights/wingloading/powerloading even bigger.
- When designing C.200 Castoldi chose a NACA airfoil which he then modified by sharpening the leading edge (clearly visible in the lowest pic of the OP). While this modification marginally reduced the drag of the wing it made the flow separation much more abrupt and therefore worsened the stall characteristics and lowerred the lift coefficient of the wing. Brewster uses an unmodified NACA airfoil with proper radius of curvature of the leading edge. C.200 gave Italian Air Force pilots that had been used to the lower wingloading biplane fighters their first experiences of accelerated stalls.
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That said, C.200 is one of my definate favourites and I really really would like to see it sooner rather than later. I hope it is introduced with the updated C.202 and C.205. Many were produced and it saw a lot of combat. It is a cool looking fighter in its ugly sort of way and I would certainly fly it!
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(http://tigroukam.free.fr/Hotel/Avions/Mc200/mc200.jpg)
http://tigroukam.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html (http://tigroukam.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html)
:)
Nice footage of the C.200 along with other italian combat aircraft:
http://youtu.be/JxicbKMvG3E (http://youtu.be/JxicbKMvG3E)
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What an ugly Italian flying bathtub, all the more reasons I want! Flying the C202/205 is like flying a sports car - easy to handle, good marginal speed.
I've shot down over 7 with a pair of Breta's in the nose, so the Macchi C.200 would be a fun ride against carrier Zeros and Seafires.
I've all but given up on flying the C.205 mainly because the fuel really was its short coming, Its no where near an offensive fighter because of it. "yes" you can manage throttle and fly to the next base - however generally speaking you have less then 18-15 minutes of fuel to hot dog before you are empty.
Think of a me109 over the English coast - the c205 doesn't even have that kind of range or time in combat before you have to RTB.
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A very cool pic:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Mc200_buzzing_Taranto.jpg)
:D
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A very cool pic:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Mc200_buzzing_Taranto.jpg)
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Neat. They do look like they come from different eras. The Spitfire just looks a lot more powerful and modern.
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see? uniqueness does count :D
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Ahh well, you obviously won't let facts get in the way of a knee jerk reaction. :)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/MacchiC200.jpg)
C.200 loses to Brewster in practically every measurable performance category.
Notes on the table above:
-Those weight are taken with both fighters carrying full internal fuel. Brewster carries 600liters of fuel while the C.200 carries roughly half of that and thus has significantly shorter range which means that in typical MA conditions Macchi is often forced to take 100% fuel while Brewster can take 50% which makes the difference in weights/wingloading/powerloading even bigger.
- When designing C.200 Castoldi chose a NACA airfoil which he then modified by sharpening the leading edge (clearly visible in the lowest pic of the OP). While this modification marginally reduced the drag of the wing it made the flow separation much more abrupt and therefore worsened the stall characteristics and lowerred the lift coefficient of the wing. Brewster uses an unmodified NACA airfoil with proper radius of curvature of the leading edge. C.200 gave Italian Air Force pilots that had been used to the lower wingloading biplane fighters their first experiences of accelerated stalls.
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That said, C.200 is one of my definate favourites and I really really would like to see it sooner rather than later. I hope it is introduced with the updated C.202 and C.205. Many were produced and it saw a lot of combat. It is a cool looking fighter in its ugly sort of way and I would certainly fly it!
it doesnt matter if the c200 could outturn out fly, out run, or whatever any plane. it just doesnt have the guns to damage anything.
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it doesnt matter if the c200 could outturn out fly, out run, or whatever any plane. it just doesnt have the guns to damage anything.
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I've shot a B-17G down in the C.202. I've shot down two F4Us and driven a P-51D off with so much damage he wouldn't stay to fight all at the same time in the C.202. The C.200 can carry the same two 12.7mm guns. It most certainly can not on damage other aircraft, but do so fatally.
I think too many people are over reliant on heavy firepower.
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it doesnt matter if the c200 could outturn out fly, out run, or whatever any plane. it just doesnt have the guns to damage anything.
You obviously can't see a simple point.
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+1 for C.200. :aok
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+1 for the C200
And gotta hurry before the "its only got MG's and I am sucky shot so the planes crap" crowd gets here :rock
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+1 for the C200
And gotta hurry before the "its only got MG's and I am sucky shot so the planes crap" crowd gets here :rock
Hopefully they'll leave my C.200 alone - they should be busy whining about the Storch :airplane:
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I've shot a B-17G down in the C.202. I've shot down two F4Us and driven a P-51D off with so much damage he wouldn't stay to fight all at the same time in the C.202. The C.200 can carry the same two 12.7mm guns. It most certainly can not on damage other aircraft, but do so fatally.
I think too many people are over reliant on heavy firepower.
but can you do it everytime? I have gotten about 5 or 6 kills using the .303s in my spitfire when the cannon button got stuck and emptied all of it. i have shot down airplanes using a single mg in the pony with less than 30 bullets. hell once i nailed a p38 with about 10 bullets from my m3. anything is possible but point is normally it wont live long unless it has friends around.
look at the op's Yugoslavian campaign post. it clearly indicates it didnt lose a single one in 11 days of combat. pretty good isnt it? but look closely at what it shot down.
if it gets added or not not really up to me nor do I really care. but I was more commenting on some the players posting thinking that they will go on a killing spree with this plane.
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but can you do it everytime? I have gotten about 5 or 6 kills using the .303s in my spitfire when the cannon button got stuck and emptied all of it. i have shot down airplanes using a single mg in the pony with less than 30 bullets. hell once i nailed a p38 with about 10 bullets from my m3. anything is possible but point is normally it wont live long unless it has friends around.
I am not nearly good enough to do it every time with quad 20mm cannons, so no, I can't promise to do it every time. However, even doing it once invalidates your claim that it didn't have the guns to damage anything.
Out of curiosity, where is the cutoff line for firepower in your opinion? Does the Ki-44 with four 12.7mm machine guns pass the test? Do you need a F6F's six .50s to get a passing grade? Are 20mm cannons required?
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I am not nearly good enough to do it every time with quad 20mm cannons, so no, I can't promise to do it every time. However, even doing it once invalidates your claim that it didn't have the guns to damage anything.
Out of curiosity, where is the cutoff line for firepower in your opinion? Does the Ki-44 with four 12.7mm machine guns pass the test? Do you need a F6F's six .50s to get a passing grade? Are 20mm cannons required?
it doesn't matter what the cutoff is, the reality us this plane sucked in ww2 and that was against not even the best planes available at the time and some players here think they will land dozens of kills.
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it doesn't matter what the cutoff is, the reality us this plane sucked in ww2 and that was against not even the best planes available at the time and some players here think they will land dozens of kills.
now take a chill pill and rethink what you said.
No friggen one thinks he will land more than 2-3 in this aircraft.
Not everyone flyes only ENY5 wonders like you. You perfectly reflect the majority's mentality tho.
cheers, damn it
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it doesn't matter what the cutoff is, the reality us this plane sucked in ww2 and that was against not even the best planes available at the time and some players here think they will land dozens of kills.
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I agree it is a niche aircraft, but it was one of the most used Italian fighters and thus ought to be in the game. Additionally, in its favor, it would reuse much of the artwork of the C.202/C.205, making it cheaper in hours to add.
There are not a whole lot of really powerful fighters left to add. As that well dries up players will have to accept that new additions will not be common sights in the LWA.
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I vote yes!
Helm...out
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now take a chill pill and rethink what you said.
No friggen one thinks he will land more than 2-3 in this aircraft.
Not everyone flyes only ENY5 wonders like you. You perfectly reflect the majority's mentality tho.
cheers, damn it
you shouldda complained about it when i was flying the pony along with the spits next to you. but then again just like bunnies and challenged you guys soon forget :uhoh.
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On top of that - eventually these so non-uber planes will be added... then your precious ponies, spit 16's, la-7's, and every top-notch plane will be perked... And rightfully so... its called game evolution, ready or not - here it comes...
"Then the P40 will rule the world" :x
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you shouldda complained about it when i was flying the pony along with the spits next to you. but then again just like bunnies and challenged you guys soon forget :uhoh.
Whats a compainment? Seriously i need to re-definiate it.
Youre an eny5 warrior. You like to pick and run. Is it true or not?
I mostly fly an eny30 ride. Ok at least 80% of the time. Is it true or not?
You stand against everything what cant pick n run, or does not have at least dual hizookas and can turn with anything. Ergo you dont want this plane added. Is it true or not?
Seriously, which aircraft would you like to be added next? All your late war rides are in the game...
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+1
The Saetta would be a good addition for events set in North Africa 1940/1941.
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I agree it is a niche aircraft, but it was one of the most used Italian fighters and thus ought to be in the game. Additionally, in its favor, it would reuse much of the artwork of the C.202/C.205, making it cheaper in hours to add.
There are not a whole lot of really powerful fighters left to add. As that well dries up players will have to accept that new additions will not be common sights in the LWA.
now this I respect :aok. rather than people implying they will up and nail everything they see. but to be honest most airplanes that are added now are really not used that much. see the last few airplanes added, they just sit around doing nothing. but what can you do, like you said not much left to be added.
Whats a compainment? Seriously i need to re-definiate it.
Youre an eny5 warrior. You like to pick and run. Is it true or not?
I mostly fly an eny30 ride. Ok at least 80% of the time. Is it true or not?
You stand against everything what cant pick n run, or does not have at least dual hizookas and can turn with anything. Ergo you dont want this plane added. Is it true or not?
Seriously, which aircraft would you like to be added next? All your late war rides are in the game...
well debrody what I said before is you never complained when I flew next to you in my spit9 then the spit8 then the ponyd. did you?
you know what I do with the ponyd? I pick people that fly over a furball trying to pick other players. I get a kick out of that. you know why I choose the ponyd? because I grew up watching movies about this awesome plane called the mustang. you fly whichever plane you have fun, well I fly whichever plane I have fun. as for me liking to pick and run well stick around me and you will see me flying around with less than 100 rounds and a few minutes worth of fuel because another green guy needs help.
now this may come as a surprise to you, but you can pick in any airplane in the game, regardless of eny. now I am not talking about you specifically but most people that i see flying with their high eny planes, the 190's, p47's, 109's, 110's, all they do is mostly pick. except for the 109's they mostly stick trying to rope till they run out of e then they die.
:salute :bolt:
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Haha, one good laugh for me ;)
Ok man i shut it, im not flying so effin dont have the rights to brag :salute
Then plz dont try to obstruct this request (slow, poor guns...) For its era, this plane wasnt as bad. Also special events FTW. Couse theres another world behind the eny5.
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More spaghetti shooters! :aok
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it doesnt matter if the c200 could outturn out fly, out run, or whatever any plane. it just doesnt have the guns to damage anything.
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the D3A fits in this spot and I would guess you'd think the same of the Hurri1..... but if fact you couldn't be more wrong......both at less than 400 will rip wings in less than 3 secs.
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i actually think that plane is quite fetching.