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Title: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: DMVIAGRA on December 07, 2011, 03:35:50 PM
Fiat G.55
G.55 Serie 0:
 1 × 20 mm Mauser MG 151/20 cannon, engine-mounted (250 rounds)
 4 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns, two in the upper engine cowling, two in the lower cowling/wing roots (300 rpg)
 G.55 Serie I:
 3 × 20 mm MG 151/20s, one engine-mounted (250 rounds) and two wing-mounted (200 rpg)
 2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in the upper engine cowling (300 rpg)
 Provision for 2 × 160 kg (353 lb) bombs on underwing racks (N.B. Egyptian and Syrian aircraft used Machine guns in the wings instead of cannon)

IAR.81C
2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon and 4 × 7.92 mm FN machine guns mounted in the inner portion of the wing; one 225 kg (500 lb) bomb under the fuselage

LaGG-3
2× 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin BS machine guns
 1× 20 mm ShVAK cannon
 6× RS-82 or RS-132 rockets up a total of 200 kg (441 lb)

J2M Raiden
Guns: 4 × 20 mm Type 99-2 cannons in the wings, two in each wing, inboard guns having 190 rpg, outboard guns 210 rpg.
 Ordnance: 2 × 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or 2 × 200 L (53 US gal) drop tanks.

Now please, stop posting planes with only two or four 7.62 mgs, .308 caliber does nothing!
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Fish42 on December 07, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
All good planes but....

Now please, stop posting planes with only two or four 7.62 mgs, .308 caliber does nothing!


 :rofl
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 04:03:43 PM
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Now please, stop posting planes with only two or four 7.62 mgs, .308 caliber does nothing!
look at the spit/hurri1.

those kick ass  pretty hard and all they have are .303's.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Devonai on December 07, 2011, 04:09:01 PM
If by kick *** you mean leave you with a pile of assists.  I flew the Spit I exclusively for a week and I had a lot of trouble downing anybody, even at convergence.  And if you think I was just praying and spraying, I had a 16% hit rate, which seems to be pretty good for fighter jocks in this game.

I love the Hurricane Mk I and the Spit Mk I, but there's a reason why they put Hispanos on them.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
If by kick *** you mean leave you with a pile of assists.  I flew the Spit I exclusively for a week and I had a lot of trouble downing anybody, even at convergence.  And if you think I was just praying and spraying, I had a 16% hit rate, which seems to be pretty good for fighter jocks in this game.

I love the Hurricane Mk I and the Spit Mk I, but there's a reason why they put Hispanos on them.
where were you flying? LWA?
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Krusty on December 07, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
If you can't kill with spit or hurricane 8x .303s you're doing it wrong. I racked up 8 kills in a hurr1 in LWA just base defending once... No rearms. Was on my way to land when puffy ack nailed me over runway. This was against the super tough targets like corsairs, FM2s, F6Fs, TBMs, etc. I still had rounds left when I was landing, too!
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 07:00:29 PM
If you can't kill with spit or hurricane 8x .303s you're doing it wrong. I racked up 8 kills in a hurr1 in LWA just base defending once... No rearms. Was on my way to land when puffy ack nailed me over runway. This was against the super tough targets like corsairs, FM2s, F6Fs, TBMs, etc. I still had rounds left when I was landing, too!
if you still had ammo left why were you landing? and dont use the fuel excuse...that ones hard to pull off from how many times you can cut the engine just shoving down a little bit :lol
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 07, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
if you still had ammo left why were you landing?

Maybe there was nothing else to shoot at.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
Maybe there was nothing else to shoot at.

ack-ack
he could have gone after the CV. a long shot but its worth a try.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: B-17 on December 07, 2011, 07:43:51 PM
May as well not bite off more than he could chew.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
May as well not bite off more than he could chew.
oh phooey. he just wanted the 8 kills up in lights with his name :neener:
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Chilli on December 07, 2011, 07:57:28 PM
If by kick *** you mean leave you with a pile of assists.  I flew the Spit I exclusively for a week and I had a lot of trouble downing anybody, even at convergence.  And if you think I was just praying and spraying, I had a 16% hit rate, which seems to be pretty good for fighter jocks in this game.

I love the Hurricane Mk I and the Spit Mk I, but there's a reason why they put Hispanos on them.

Set convergence at 200 for all guns.  Shoot at that range and then compare. 

Other than that I have no proof but, I am pretty certain that the internet eats rounds via lost packets or something like that.  I have had times where consistently a few pecks and parts were melting off my targets.  The status quo for me though is a very different story, especially with 50 cals.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Spikes on December 07, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
oh phooey. he just wanted the 8 kills up in lights with his name :neener:
You would do the same.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 07, 2011, 10:00:06 PM
You would do the same.
is that so?

Ive done a fair share of long bombing runs, racking up to at least 30k in damage points and bailed about a sector away from the runway because i was that bored from flying back. if something takes too long i jump out.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Krusty on December 08, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
The situation of the fight is totally irrelevant to the fact that .303s are perfectly fine, IF you use them properly. He's probably spraying at 1K and wondering why he's not getting kills like with Hispanos. I'm not saying they're all that great, but I *am* saying "They aren't useless, as you suggest!" (saying it to the OP, mind you)
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: icepac on December 08, 2011, 10:56:40 AM
They're great for tickling at long range to inspire a runner into turning so you can catch him.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Butcher on December 08, 2011, 12:13:41 PM
Now please, stop posting planes with only two or four 7.62 mgs, .308 caliber does nothing!

No offense but your aim must horribly suck, I tend to land well over 4+ victories in hurri I's or C202s per run, maybe you need
to step away from the E Z mode rides with big guns and practice not spraying at 2k away.

Set your converg to 300 or 250 and learn to straddle someone, 200 or closer - I won't even fire at 400 in a c.202 or Hurri I.

Then again it requires someone to step out of the dora9 and P51D before they can actually learn close proximity aim.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Debrody on December 08, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
8*303 cals are actually quite lethal, an one second good burst from 250-300 can take down any fighter.
2*303 cals are a pain in the butt tho (109g2 without main gun for example), but 4*303, maybe reinforced with an 50cal, that must be enough.
The problem is, the planes with the small guns are quite slow, the small rounds lose kinetic energy very quickly over d>400, ergo the late war runner simply walk away from you, without taking any visible damage.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 08, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
8*303 cals are actually quite lethal, an one second good burst from 250-300 can take down any fighter.
2*303 cals are a pain in the butt tho (109g2 without main gun for example), but 4*303, maybe reinforced with an 50cal, that must be enough.
The problem is, the planes with the small guns are quite slow, the small rounds lose kinetic energy very quickly over d>400, ergo the late war runner simply walk away from you, without taking any visible damage.
2 .303's arent enough alone. they take a good amount of time at D250-300 to kill. your better off with a single .50 and a .303, this is because .303's take 4 shots to equal one .50 shot. four .303's is like having 2 .50 cals. 8 .303's is like having 4 .50 cals in your bird, and that is why the 8 .303's really do tear up some planes like the ones on the Hurri/Spit1.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Fish42 on December 08, 2011, 03:43:43 PM
2 .303's arent enough alone. they take a good amount of time at D250-300 to kill. your better off with a single .50 and a .303, this is because .303's take 4 shots to equal one .50 shot. four .303's is like having 2 .50 cals. 8 .303's is like having 4 .50 cals in your bird, and that is why the 8 .303's really do tear up some planes like the ones on the Hurri/Spit1.

2x7.62mms work fine.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/D3AvsP38J_06.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/D3AvsP38J_08.jpg)
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 08, 2011, 03:55:23 PM
2x7.62mms work fine.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/D3AvsP38J_06.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/D3AvsP38J_08.jpg)
setting a bomber on fire is easy :P
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Devonai on December 08, 2011, 04:39:30 PM
I'm not saying I don't get any kills, I'm just saying I get assists with about a 4 to 1 ration over kills.  I do set my convergence at 200; in fact I set my convergence to 200 for everything except cowling/hub guns.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 08, 2011, 04:55:49 PM
2 .303's arent enough alone.

It all depends on where you aim your shots.  Not to be harsh but the people that actually play this game would know far more than the person that doesn't.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: TwinBoom on December 08, 2011, 04:59:09 PM
D.520
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 08, 2011, 05:29:55 PM
It all depends on where you aim your shots.  Not to be harsh but the people that actually play this game would know far more than the person that doesn't.

ack-ack
you seem to have forgotten that i am very well capable of playing this game, i dont see how someone like you could even miss the fact that you dont have to be paying HTC directly to play, honestly tell me how you missed it. but back on topic, 2 .303's really are not that great when being used alone. sure it matters where you aim, but most of the time they just dont get the job done quick enough. if you are fighting a LW plane in lets say a 109-F4, the 2 7.62's (same as the .303) are not that effective past D250, where most shots would normally be at D400-500. yes i played online enough to figure that out.

D.520
+1.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: morfiend on December 08, 2011, 07:23:20 PM
2 .303's aren't enough alone. they take a good amount of time at D250-300 to kill. your better off with a single .50 and a .303, this is because .303's take 4 shots to equal one .50 shot. four .303's is like having 2 .50 cals. 8 .303's is like having 4 .50 cals in your bird, and that is why the 8 .303's really do tear up some planes like the ones on the Hurri/Spit1.


  Maybe you better get out the slide rule and figure out your math. first you say 4 ,303's equal 1 50cal then you say 4,303's is like 2 50cals well which is it?

   you figured it out online so please tell me which 1 is correct.





    :salute
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 08, 2011, 07:25:26 PM

  Maybe you better get out the slide rule and figure out your math. first you say 4 ,303's equal 1 50cal then you say 4,303's is like 2 50cals well which is it?

   you figured it out online so please tell me which 1 is correct.





    :salute
im sorry, i confused myself, 8 50 cals = 2 .303's

wasnt paying attention to that.
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Butcher on December 08, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
im sorry, i confused myself, 8 50 cals = 2 .303's

wasnt paying attention to that.

I think 4x 303s equal a .50 cal in damage, 3x 50cal is a 20mm so that means <insert large number here> of 303s equal a 30mm? :)
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 08, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
im sorry, i confused myself, 8 50 cals = 2 .303's

wasnt paying attention to that.

8x 50 cal. machine guns is the equivalent of 2x .303 cal. machine guns?

Recent graduate of the Krusty School of Mathematics?

ack-ack
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: skorpion on December 08, 2011, 07:34:08 PM
crap...lol im really not doing good tonight...
ok, 8 .303's = 2 .50 cals.

there, its cleared up now. :bhead *facedesk*

Recent graduate of the Krusty School of Mathematics?
ack-ack
:rofl
Title: Re: Planes That Are NOT 7.62 1940+
Post by: B-17 on December 08, 2011, 09:31:36 PM
wtf?