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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nypsy on December 09, 2011, 08:03:04 AM
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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/wards-releases-annual-10-best-engines-list/
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It's interesting that all the engines on that list are Dual Overhead Cams
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V6 lol :rofl
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The Coyote wins two years in a row. :rock
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The Coyote wins two years in a row. :rock
that engine probably helped the F150 maintain it's first place too. :aok
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First is seems like they are talking only about car engines. Second what do they mean by "best'? Is it the most powerful, most reliable, most economical, best sounding, or best looking? In my opinion there is no such thing as a best engine, there is the right engine. I'm not going to put any one of those engines in a lawnmower, and if I want to buy a car for 30 years I'm sure not all of those engines will last.
They also did not put any one of my favorite car engines on the list. :furious
VQ & VR series. :aok
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First is seems like they are talking only about car engines. Second what do they mean by "best'? Is it the most powerful, most reliable, most economical, best sounding, or best looking? In my opinion there is no such thing as a best engine, there is the right engine. I'm not going to put any one of those engines in a lawnmower, and if I want to buy a car for 30 years I'm sure not all of those engines will last.
They also did not put any one of my favorite car engines on the list. :furious
VQ & VR series. :aok
the 5 liter coyote engine in the f150 is the very same coyote 5 liter that is in the mustang. :aok
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V6 lol :rofl
:rofl :rofl :old:
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V6 lol :rofl
What do you have against a V6?
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V6 lol :rofl
you should bear in mind that both the ford and chevy v-6 engines will flat outrun and out accelerate about 95% of the big block muscle cars from the glory daze.
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Bring back the flathead Ford V8
The guys at wards are imbeciles. I prefer engines where my foot is the Throttle Position Sensor and a screwdriver is my idle adjustment tool. :old:
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the 5 liter coyote engine in the f150 is the very same coyote 5 liter that is in the mustang. :aok
Just out of curiosity, how much the does 2011 GT weigh? 4000lb?
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Just out of curiosity, how much the does 2011 GT weigh? 4000lb?
i think they're in the upper 3600 to upper 3700 range. they're not heavy by todays standards at all. still heavier than yesterdays cars though.
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i just went and looked at the door jamb of mine. she's GVRW at 4600.
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no diesels! :banana:
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that engine probably helped the F150 maintain it's first place too. :aok
And that has always amazed me. I worked at a large savage yard a few years removing engines/drivetrain/computers out. The inventory sheets from them for just the different computers onboard, were 2 or 3 pages!. It was actually quicker and easier to remove the cab from the frame then fool with taking the engine and tranny out through the front.
I absolutlely hated new Ford trucks. I've always twisted the wrenches on the old Fords. Rebuilt several engines and transmissions over the years, but the designers are taking the fun out of it for me. :( I've been building my owe F150 for the past couple of years when I have time and money just to have something dependable,easy to work on, and cool to look at. For half the cost of what they want for a new truck these days, you could build a old one just like new! Even better actually. I won't have a 500$ a month truck payment. ;)
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i think they're in the upper 3600 to upper 3700 range. they're not heavy by todays standards at all. still heavier than yesterdays cars though.
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i just went and looked at the door jamb of mine. she's GVRW at 4600.
Roger, I was close. :)
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I take this engine. :banana:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=672_1323428244
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f2_1323428031 This is a peppy little rascal too. :O
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The world's best piston engine:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1152/griffon58.jpg)
:D
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That'd look good in the ole Farmall :aok
Tractor pullin' MachFly
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That'd look good in the ole Farmall :aok
If you like to race farmalls than I guess you can put it there as well.
You do know what engine that is, right?
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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/340-engine.jpg)
best one I ever owned.
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most fun engine ive owned was 98hp honda 1.4l in a civic. thrashing it to its 8000rpm redline made me grin every time :D
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no diesels! :banana:
i thought you guys had some pretty kick arse diesels over there though?
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What do you have against a V6?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
That was a serous question.
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Any list that doesn't list the chevy SB at #1 is inherently invalid.
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i thought you guys had some pretty kick arse diesels over there though?
never driven one I liked. eg. the bmw twin turbo straight 6 diesel is ok, but still laggy and boring with no throttle response compared to the 3l straight 6 petrol which is a peach.
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never driven one I liked. eg. the bmw twin turbo straight 6 diesel is ok, but still laggy and boring with no throttle response compared to the 3l straight 6 petrol which is a peach.
WHEN I used to drive tow trucks, the shop i was at had a couple of super duty fords, with the 7.3 turbo diesel, one with an auto trans, one 5 speed.
the 5 speed was amazingly quick, considering the weight of the truck. didn't feel it, but you'd look down at the speedo, and rather quickly decide to back down a little, before ya got nailed.
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most fun engine ive owned was 98hp honda 1.4l in a civic. thrashing it to its 8000rpm redline made me grin every time :D
what year civic had an 8000 RPM redline?
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Any list that doesn't list the chevy SB at #1 is inherently invalid.
:rofl
I broke to many to think they are good...
cheap...yup..........good.... .nope.
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what year civic had an 8000 RPM redline?
it was a '89 or '90 DX iirc.
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:rofl
I broke to many to think they are good...
cheap...yup..........good.... .nope.
How many did you break and how did you break them?
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How many did you break and how did you break them?
2 350's and 1 305
1st 350 i shattered the crank shaft
2nd 350 spun a main baring
305 broke to much to list.....all doing the same thing........driving them fast....yet never even went above 125 with them.
the 340 in my Challenger.....well........it was unbreakable.
i did a constant speed of 125 plus(except stopping for tolls/gas) for over 24 hours.....on a few occasions, couldn't break that thing.
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2 350's and 1 305
1st 350 i shattered the crank shaft
2nd 350 spun a main baring
305 broke to much to list.....all doing the same thing........driving them fast....yet never even went above 125 with them.
the 340 in my Challenger.....well........it was unbreakable.
i did a constant speed of 125 plus(except stopping for tolls/gas) for over 24 hours.....on a few occasions, couldn't break that thing.
How many miles did they have on them? How well were they maintained? Come on.... the 350 has a history of being a very sturdy engine.. you've got 3 motors beat up and you are going to try to change history. lol
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it was a '89 or '90 DX iirc.
Well FWIW, the motor in those cars redline is at 6500, and even had a rev limiter at 7200. Sorry... 8000 caught my eye.... shenanigans.
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How many miles did they have on them? How well were they maintained? Come on.... the 350 has a history of being a very sturdy engine.. you've got 3 motors beat up and you are going to try to change history. lol
im just givin you a hard time :P
i know built right they are good motors.....FLOTSOM used to have a very tough 305. that i beat on a bit.
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im just givin you a hard time :P
i know built right they are good motors.....FLOTSOM used to have a very tough 305. that i beat on a bit.
Dang, you got me good and at a good time... arguing with kappa and his liberal nutjob views in another thread. :aok
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Dang, you got me good and at a good time... arguing with kappa and his liberal nutjob views in another thread. :aok
:D
sorry i just want ya to smile.
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Well FWIW, the motor in those cars redline is at 6500, and even had a rev limiter at 7200. Sorry... 8000 caught my eye.... shenanigans.
my mistake, was confusing it with something else I drove recently. it was a twin carb 1.4l single cam, pretty sure the clock redline was 6800 but it was fine to 7000. you may not have had that engine in the US, honda produced so many different versions.
btw thanks for implying I'm a liar :aok
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Right now this is my favorite, and it is a diesel.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Radcam/DSC00635.jpg)
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my mistake, was confusing it with something else I drove recently. it was a twin carb 1.4l single cam, pretty sure the clock redline was 6800 but it was fine to 7000. you may not have had that engine in the US, honda produced so many different versions.
btw thanks for implying I'm a liar :aok
Nah, I rarely imply anything. If I thought you were lying, I'd have called you a liar outright.
My assumption was you just didn't remember the redline numbers... completely forgivable, considering it probably happened a while back.
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Right now this is my favorite, and it is a diesel.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Radcam/DSC00635.jpg)
Nice! It's all clean and everything...... :D Oh wait till it has 300K on the clock,wont be so pretty then. :devil
:salute
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It already doesn't look so clean. It is a diesel ya know. :D
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That was a serous question.
The modern V6 is a testament to the current design philosophy that you can polish a turd, providing you chrome plate it first. I find that design movement very very funny.
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The modern V6 is a testament to the current design philosophy that you can polish a turd, providing you chrome plate it first. I find that design movement very very funny.
If you can get a V6 to do a job a V8 normally does why not do it? For example take the GTR and compare it to every single V8 car for the same price.
I really don't see anything "funny" about it, I think it's sad that a V8 car with equal performance is twice as expensive.
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If you can get a V6 to do a job a V8 normally does why not do it? For example take the GTR and compare it to every single V8 car for the same price.
I really don't see anything "funny" about it, I think it's sad that a V8 car with equal performance is twice as expensive.
And by implication a four cylinder is superior to a six because again it can do the same job and is cheaper. I think you will disagree with this statement?
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And by implication a four cylinder is superior to a six because again it can do the same job and is cheaper. I think you will disagree with this statement?
It can't, in order for it to do the same job you need a large 4 cylinder engine and then it's better to have more cylinders. Or you would need to it to work at very high RPMs at which point it would not be cheaper and reliability would decrease.
Mind if I ask what engine do you have on your car?
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If you can get a V6 to do a job a V8 normally does why not do it? For example take the GTR and compare it to every single V8 car for the same price.
I really don't see anything "funny" about it, I think it's sad that a V8 car with equal performance is twice as expensive.
the gtr is stupidly higth priced, and would actually serve against your argument due to that single factor.
now, if you take the camaro 3.6 liter, or the ford 3.7 liter, at 312hp(being pumped to 323 soon) and 305hp(also being pumped soon) respectively, both in common production line built cars that the average joe can buy, then you've got a different story.
you can roll in a 13 second mustang six banger for $23k. you can roll in a low 14 second camaro for nearly the same price. both of these cars easily outperform virtually ALL of the common "hot rods" of yesteryear. they do it in virtually every way.
now, i know someone's gonna come on here within the hour of this post going up, pointing out the yenko camaros or novas, or the thunderbolts, or the 10 second mopars......but the mopars, and thunderbolts were bare bones cars, with not even a radio installed, the yenkos weren't production cars, and none of them were common cars.
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And by implication a four cylinder is superior to a six because again it can do the same job and is cheaper. I think you will disagree with this statement?
you know how many "reliable" 4 cylinder engines i've seen go "boom" 'cause some schmuck thought he could build a 900hp 2 liter daily driver? a LOT.
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the gtr is stupidly higth priced, and would actually serve against your argument due to that single factor.
I was referring to the regular version for $80K, not than new super cool $120K (or something like that) version.
But let's try to avoid changing the topic to GTR's performance.
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I was referring to the regular version for $80K, not than new super cool $120K (or something like that) version.
But let's try to avoid changing the topic to GTR's performance.
dood....for 80k, i'm buyin a vette, or a shelby gt350. both will outperform the gtr...and if they don't, they'll look cool and sound cool losing. :devil
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dood....for 80k, i'm buyin a vette, or a shelby gt350. both will outperform the gtr...and if they don't, they'll look cool and sound cool losing. :devil
Knowing you I have no doubt that you'd buy those cars over the GTR. Z06 and ZR1 do have a faster lap time on nurburgring than a GTR but they are a "bit" more expensive.
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Thought it was an ad for the old "Montgomery Wards" :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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Knowing you I have no doubt that you'd buy those cars over the GTR. Z06 and ZR1 do have a faster lap time on nurburgring than a GTR but they are a "bit" more expensive.
zr1 on chevys website is 112k. right in between the two versions you mentioned.
i honestly don't see why any of us are making a big deal of the nurbergring. most of us will never see it. i knopw some live over there and can/will. i'd be more impressed seeing times around VIR, watkins glen, laguna, etc.
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Thought it was an ad for the old "Montgomery Wards" :rofl
:cheers: Oz
jeeze...i remember them. :bhead
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zr1 on chevys website is 112k. right in between the two versions you mentioned.
i honestly don't see why any of us are making a big deal of the nurbergring. most of us will never see it. i knopw some live over there and can/will. i'd be more impressed seeing times around VIR, watkins glen, laguna, etc.
I personally would really like to drive on there sometime, but yeah it's probably not going to happen in the near future.
The reason I use that track for compassion is because almost all cars were tested there and unlike other track I actually know the times for that one.
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I personally would really like to drive on there sometime, but yeah it's probably not going to happen in the near future.
The reason I use that track for compassion is because almost all cars were tested there and unlike other track I actually know the times for that one.
yea, i hear ya. even bearing in mind what i just posted about it, i would like to know what the gt500 did there....i know for fact ford ran it, but i can't find any full videos, or times.
also bear in mind i'm not putting the gtr down.........it just wasn't a good example to pump up six cylinder performance, based on price alone.
did you know that american muscle has already built a 6 banger that'll run 11.9's? i think it's street legal too.
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the ring is a useful comparison because its such a comprehensive test of all a car's abilities - slow/medium/high speed corners, repeated abrupt direction changes, crests/compressions, on/off camber turns, plenty of gradients, variable surface quality etc.
of course just lap times dont really tell you much, consider that both these cars have about the same ring time:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53QOdisuj-I/S6TM5SYWgeI/AAAAAAAAATo/6j8wx9V_ZlE/s320/Jaguar_XJ220_06.jpg)
(http://www.cvlfuoriserie.it/images/m3.jpg)
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It can't, in order for it to do the same job you need a large 4 cylinder engine and then it's better to have more cylinders. Or you would need to it to work at very high RPMs at which point it would not be cheaper and reliability would decrease.
Well it can, because it will propel a passenger car around equally well and the discussion set no limitation on displacement, nor weight for that matter. It's the same principle as your reduction from eight to six. You suggested the eight was frivolous and the four insufficient.
But my original amusement was not based not on the number of cylinders but the format. Am I correct to infer that you have a V6 in your car and are offended?
Mind if I ask what engine do you have on your car?
I don't have a car at the moment, I commute on the train. Does this fact make my knowledge less valuable?
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you know how many "reliable" 4 cylinder engines i've seen go "boom" 'cause some schmuck thought he could build a 900hp 2 liter daily driver? a LOT.
I wasn't promoting the four cylinder as being superior, not for this application anyway. What are some of your favourite engines Cap, to work on and also to drive? Do you ever work on classic cars?
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I wasn't promoting the four cylinder as being superior, not for this application anyway. What are some of your favourite engines Cap, to work on and also to drive? Do you ever work on classic cars?
i've got customers with 67 mustangs, 78 cadillacs, 79 trans am, a couple of old chevys, and a dodge or two. those are the most classic i get to see on a regular basis. the 67 stang just got totaled, ad the guys grandson was driving it, and got rear ended. hard. got a guy used to bring his 69 302 4 speed camaro to me, but he had to sell that. that was a crazy fast car. he's since replaced that with a cobra kit car, running a 5 liter ford. got another customer with an 87 mustang gt convertible with a small block ford, a novi2000 supercharger, and a couple of 10 second time slips....street driven.....but that car isn't in my eyes a true street car. it's too temperamental.
for ease of working on, i like the 2.2 toyotas, and most hondas. they're all crazy easy to work on. most gm v-6's are also pretty darned easy too. i like the 3.8's....all of them, and even the 3.1 and 3.4's. they seem to me to go long times with minimal maintenance. got one customer in a 94 regal 3.8 liter with 317k on the odometer.
driving? nearly all v-8's for me. 97 dakota 318, and my new mustang with a dohc 5 liter. i still have my 89 wrangler with a 2.5 liter iron duke. slow as molasses in January, but she gets me through the snow.
i've also got my 5 liter fuel injected 78 fairmont futura. :devil
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Am I correct to infer that you have a V6 in your car and are offended?
Yea I got a VQ30 and no I'm not offended, I'm happy with what I got and it does the job great. Sure I'd like a V8 but I decided that I'd rather spend my money on the other two turbo I4s. First I was really curious as to why you though it was funny, then I started wondering on where did your incredible hate for the V6s come from.
I don't have a car at the moment, I commute on the train. Does this fact make my knowledge less valuable?
So can I assume that you had some bad experience with a V6?
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straight 6s are inherently smoother because they are better "balanced" than a V6 or even a V8, although a lot less compact. thats why we brits loved them and the Jag 6 was probably the most famous. same reason bmw built them up til now. could be wrong but I think Jag use V6s now, which means since TVR shut down we dont make any straight 6s any more :(
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straight 6s are inherently smoother because they are better "balanced" than a V6 or even a V8, although a lot less compact. thats why we brits loved them and the Jag 6 was probably the most famous. same reason bmw built them up til now. could be wrong but I think Jag use V6s now, which means since TVR shut down we dont make any straight 6s any more :(
That's true.
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My '93 taurus has a 3.8l 6 cylinder. Pretty crappy engine.
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My '93 taurus has a 3.8l 6 cylinder. Pretty crappy engine.
those 3.8 liters are prone to head gasket problems. that being said, my 95 has 153k on it, and was getting average of 25mpg when i was still driving it. never let me down. ever.
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those 3.8 liters are prone to head gasket problems. that being said, my 95 has 153k on it, and was getting average of 25mpg when i was still driving it. never let me down. ever.
It's a decent car (engine notwithstanding) and gets me where I need to go. Can't ask for anymore than that.
Its only got 44k on it, was my grandparents car. They are both in their 90s and stopped driving about when I started, so I inherited it. My dad is getting a new car soon and I'll be getting his 2007 Civic, and my brother will inherit the taurus.
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It's a decent car (engine notwithstanding) and gets me where I need to go. Can't ask for anymore than that.
Its only got 44k on it, was my grandparents car. They are both in their 90s and stopped driving about when I started, so I inherited it. My dad is getting a new car soon and I'll be getting his 2007 Civic, and my brother will inherit the taurus.
i still wouldn't complain. as long as it's newer than about 1990, the taurus's are decent cars. they drive and handle well, accelerate nicely, stop nicely, and don't burn a ton of gas.
wanna buy mine? :devil
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Knowing you I have no doubt that you'd buy those cars over the GTR. Z06 and ZR1 do have a faster lap time on nurburgring than a GTR but they are a "bit" more expensive.
You will then have a vehicle with a hell of lot more "reliability issues". Nissans are horrible in this respect. Only Japanese car worth owning (I would never regardless) would be the NSX.
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So can I assume that you had some bad experience with a V6?
The V6 is a problematic format from the design perspective. If you study the history of the development of it in detail to the point of your engine and understand the fundamentals of piston engine design you might see the source of my amusement.
I have driven a car with a VQ35DE engine for a while, in your country in fact, and I don't suppose it really matters any longer from the consumer's perspective.
I'd be interested to know why you're a fan of the Rolls-Royce Griffon engine, as you posted earlier.
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If you like to race farmalls than I guess you can put it there as well.
You do know what engine that is, right?
This is what I was referring to MachFly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQYNj8oYqk&feature=related
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This is what I was referring to MachFly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQYNj8oYqk&feature=related
Never seen that before. So they actually race them?
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You will then have a vehicle with a hell of lot more "reliability issues". Nissans are horrible in this respect. Only Japanese car worth owning (I would never regardless) would be the NSX.
My experience proves otherwise, I think they are very reliable. At least Nissans are, don't know about other Japanese manufacturers.
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The V6 is a problematic format from the design perspective. If you study the history of the development of it in detail to the point of your engine and understand the fundamentals of piston engine design you might see the source of my amusement.
I have driven a car with a VQ35DE engine for a while, in your country in fact, and I don't suppose it really matters any longer from the consumer's perspective.
The type of engine does not have to have a perfect history to be good. If someone screwed up something in the past it does not mean that it will never work.
But I guess you are entitled to your opinion.
I'd be interested to know why you're a fan of the Rolls-Royce Griffon engine, as you posted earlier.
"Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others - one that I'd rather have tied to the seat of my pants in any tactical situation - it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
Lt. Col. William R. Dunn
flew Spitfires, Hurricanes, P-51s, P-47s, and F-4s
This used to be in my sig for a few years.
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wanna buy mine? :devil
Though your other car was a minivan? ;)
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My experience proves otherwise, I think they are very reliable. At least Nissans are, don't know about other Japanese manufacturers.
toyota, honda, and subaru in that order are the only japanese cars worth owning. subaru is only last, as i've heard 2 instances where their customer service with major problems sucks.
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Though your other car was a minivan? ;)
had one of them too. it's got a blown transmision
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toyota, honda, and subaru in that order are the only japanese cars worth owning. subaru is only last, as i've heard 2 instances where their customer service with major problems sucks.
I highly disagree....but I guess you already know that.
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I highly disagree....but I guess you already know that.
yea i know. i make my opinions from experience. i get a lot of emissions problems on mazdas, before they should have them....althought hey run well otherwise. nissans i see emissions problems, and have had some flood in the winter time, when started and shut off too quickly. this shouldn't be possible on fi cars.
subaru.....have a customer that used to have an awd wrx sti. the transmission broke at only 16k miles. literally, it broke. supposedly it was something with the syncros being made of too brittle of a metal, causing them to shatter, and in that instance, they'd trash the rest of the tranny.....subaru tried telling him it was his fault. he had to take it all the way to corporate.......it took him nearly a year before they did anything with his transmission. he sold that car, and won't buy another subaru.
the other customer bought an entire new clutch set from subaru, and had me install it. this set included a new flywheel. these cars use dual mass flywheels. the car came back in 2 months, with intermittent gear jamming...sometimes in gear, sometimes out of gear.
to be honest, i thought i messed something up.....tore the thing apart again, and found it looking like there was birdshot flinging around inside the bellhousing.
what had happened, was that the bearing/bushing in the dual mass flywheel was bad. this allowed the pressure plate to rub parts of the flywheel it's not supposed to touch......causing this appearance.
he took the entire thing to a local dealer, at subarus direction. not a single one of the techs or service manager knew that the flywheel was bad. he had to show them, since i showed him.
they tried to offer him a new set at 50% off. it took him nearly 2 months to get them to handle it.
to the best of my knowledge, they've still not taken care of his having to pay me the second time, but i know he's working on that. he's also stated that this is the last subaru he's gonna own....it's ashame too, as they're nice cars.......
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yea i know. i make my opinions from experience. i get a lot of emissions problems on mazdas, before they should have them....althought hey run well otherwise. nissans i see emissions problems, and have had some flood in the winter time, when started and shut off too quickly. this shouldn't be possible on fi cars.
subaru.....have a customer that used to have an awd wrx sti. the transmission broke at only 16k miles. literally, it broke. supposedly it was something with the syncros being made of too brittle of a metal, causing them to shatter, and in that instance, they'd trash the rest of the tranny.....subaru tried telling him it was his fault. he had to take it all the way to corporate.......it took him nearly a year before they did anything with his transmission. he sold that car, and won't buy another subaru.
the other customer bought an entire new clutch set from subaru, and had me install it. this set included a new flywheel. these cars use dual mass flywheels. the car came back in 2 months, with intermittent gear jamming...sometimes in gear, sometimes out of gear.
to be honest, i thought i messed something up.....tore the thing apart again, and found it looking like there was birdshot flinging around inside the bellhousing.
what had happened, was that the bearing/bushing in the dual mass flywheel was bad. this allowed the pressure plate to rub parts of the flywheel it's not supposed to touch......causing this appearance.
he took the entire thing to a local dealer, at subarus direction. not a single one of the techs or service manager knew that the flywheel was bad. he had to show them, since i showed him.
they tried to offer him a new set at 50% off. it took him nearly 2 months to get them to handle it.
to the best of my knowledge, they've still not taken care of his having to pay me the second time, but i know he's working on that. he's also stated that this is the last subaru he's gonna own....it's ashame too, as they're nice cars.......
So that's why you don't like Subaru....what's wrong with Nissan? I still drive a 2000 Maxima, works great. Had a problem with an alternator ones and that was it, In 12 years I think that's pretty good.
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So that's why you don't like Subaru....what's wrong with Nissan? I still drive a 2000 Maxima, works great. Had a problem with an alternator ones and that was it, In 12 years I think that's pretty good.
nissans are like mazdas. i seem to be doing too many emissions related repairs on them too soon. i've had a few timing chain failures, and i have a customer right now with an altima, with leaking injectors. all 4 of them. that car only has 70k on it.
i've had a camry with over 600k on it in the shop, although the owner admitted that he replaced the original engine at 320k. another customer with a solara with over 300k on the clock. another camry with over 300k.
i've seen one nissan with 278k on the clock. that one wasn't in such good shape. it showed every one of those miles. it was a maxima, and i have to admit, that i like maximas.....the 90's ones. don't much care for the newer ones.
it's also partly preference........
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nissans are like mazdas. i seem to be doing too many emissions related repairs on them too soon. i've had a few timing chain failures, and i have a customer right now with an altima, with leaking injectors. all 4 of them. that car only has 70k on it.
i've had a camry with over 600k on it in the shop, although the owner admitted that he replaced the original engine at 320k. another customer with a solara with over 300k on the clock. another camry with over 300k.
i've seen one nissan with 278k on the clock. that one wasn't in such good shape. it showed every one of those miles. it was a maxima, and i have to admit, that i like maximas.....the 90's ones. don't much care for the newer ones.
it's also partly preference........
Well I'm happy to say that my experience proves otherwise. Nissan makes good cars, I would not compare them with Mazdas, Toyota, or Honda. Sure Nissan also makes cheap cars like altima, rouge, and a few others, but unlike other Japanese manufacturers they also make good cars.
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Well I'm happy to say that my experience proves otherwise. Nissan makes good cars, I would not compare them with Mazdas, Toyota, or Honda. Sure Nissan also makes cheap cars like altima, rouge, and a few others, but unlike other Japanese manufacturers they also make good cars.
i wouldn't say unlike others. the camry is one of the most dependable reliable, and robust cars on the roads. same goes for the civic and accord.
that being said, i'd never buy one though. why? cause they don't have 400+ hp v-8's. :devil
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that being said, i'd never buy one though. why? cause they don't have 400+ hp v-8's. :devil
:rofl
What do they have? 150hp?
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my dads civic makes a killer 140hp with a 1.6 or 1.8L engine.
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:rofl
What do they have? 150hp?
probably somehwere near that. i don't think my jeep even has that........but it gets me through the snow.....
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You really can't single out a manufacturer as being crappy........especially when others have years of dealership level experience in multiple brands and can bring manufacturer printed examples such as recalls, campaigns, and bulletins to the table.
How long before there is a campaign or recall for that chinese transmission?
I've owned 3 300zx turbo cars with over 300,000 miles and currently run a 250,000 mile L28et on 15 pounds of boost.
It uses no oil between changes.
I have performed hundreds of toyota and lexus SPA gel campaigns as both a toyota and lexus master tech.
The new generations of toyota/lexus engines routinely fill with carbon requiring me to go through a complicated process to remove the huge amount of carbon that ends up on the intake valves even though they are direct injection engines and don't have injectors spraying on the backs of the valves.
I use this because nothing else comes close whether seafoam, BG products, or other manufacturer spec. cleaner.
(http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/nov_06_techlink_fig6.jpg)
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i have access to them as well. :devil :aok
bg i've never believed in, although i've had excellent results with motorvac.
what model lexus? i just did a search, and there's nothing concerning carbon buildup. at least not on an 09 rx350. no recalls, no tsb's. that i can find in my system.
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I seem to remember replacing all valve springs in every single lexus logitudinal engine made from 2007 to 2010...........and replacing brake boosters and master cylinder rear seals...........and finding almost every toyota/lexus transverse V6 made from 1999 to 2006 full of sludge and leaking from the valve stem seals to the point that they required disassembly and time spent in a "cuda" machine just to remove all the sludge.
That's just toyota...............all of the manufacturers are damn near even in longeivity and I would never consider Nissan anywhere but within the top 3.
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my mistake, was confusing it with something else I drove recently. it was a twin carb 1.4l single cam, pretty sure the clock redline was 6800 but it was fine to 7000. you may not have had that engine in the US, honda produced so many different versions.
btw thanks for implying I'm a liar :aok
I had a 2.0l carbureted (A-series - A20A1) in one of my first Hondas (a manual '87 Accord LX I think). They red-lined at 6250 RPM but could easily push/shred into the 7000s (like Holmes, I plead the 5th :D ). Was my longtime favorite engine (and car) until my brother neglected it (kinda his fault, but all things considered he could of learned the same lesson at a much higher expense). He seized it comming out of a tunnel, going uphill on Kanan Canyon. He didn't notice it was having an overheating issue (likely another shot thremostat, a common problem with most Honda A-series engines here in So-Cal with me personaly) until it was "too late" ( :huh .... well at least he's never over-overheated an engine since, glad it was at least my favorite... I love my lil' bro, but this is the one thing I will never "fully" forgive him for, lol). By then he was entering the tunnel, and by the short time he exited later the engine had seized and he barely had enough momentum to clear the tunnel and make the shoulder. This was late one night when him and his fellow underage teenager friends had scored some booze and beer and were heading to the beach for the evening (did I forget to mention he had it overpacked with passengers too :furious ). Thankfuly he called me first and I hauled bellybutton to get out there before a Sheriff showed up (we can assume even the dimmest one on the force passing by would of had the math skills to quickly deduce 8teens at 3am stranded in the middle of a canyon road on a Friday night =/= a 5-person sub-compact). I made a deal with him and his buds, they could go off and continue with their plans/party/tail, I'd stay behind and deal with getting it towed home in the middle of the night, he could borrow my functional automobile, so long as they first went back to the valley and got a second car and semi-designated driver for the evening. And somehow, like usual, I still ended up taking most the blame/flak/hate/damnation from the folks over that car's downfall, lol (no, seriously, I ended up with no car for like 7-months and handed down the functioning car in my posesion at the time to my lil' bro). That was like 15 years ago, and I still hold it partialy against him.
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As for reliable/trustworthy foreign brands, this is my current list:
- Honda/Toyota (Hondas my family has been fond of since the 80s, Toyota didn't seem to recognize the existence of drivers over 5'-6" height until only VERY recently, and my family and I (and our kneecaps) will likely always hold this against them. Still today, even though my family's average height is 6'-2", I can safely say that I won't confortabley fit in the driver's seat of even half the Toyotas on the lot).
- Scion (this is a word of mouth recomendation to me and then from - so I do express some caution or at the least urge additional research. I've had a few scion owners, most relatively non-mechanic types of people too, say they've never had a problem with their vehicles ever).
- Subaru (as CAP said, these have always been hit or miss with various maintenance issues, and today they might of lost their old title, but for the past decade they clearly held the most reliable/trustworthy AWD brand).
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As for reliable/trustworthy foreign brands, this is my current list:
- Honda/Toyota (Hondas my family has been fond of since the 80s, Toyota didn't seem to recognize the existence of drivers over 5'-6" height until only VERY recently, and my family and I (and our kneecaps) will likely always hold this against them. Still today, even though my family's average height is 6'-2", I can safely say that I won't confortabley fit in the driver's seat of even half the Toyotas on the lot).
- Scion (this is a word of mouth recomendation to me and then from - so I do express some caution or at the least urge additional research. I've had a few scion owners, most relatively non-mechanic types of people too, say they've never had a problem with their vehicles ever).
- Subaru (as CAP said, these have always been hit or miss with various maintenance issues, and today they might of lost their old title, but for the past decade they clearly held the most reliable/trustworthy AWD brand).
concerning the subarus.....in my experience, they are STILL the absolute best all wheel drive vehicles out there. the only thing that'd keep me from buying one(desides the lack of a growling dohc v-8 under the hood) would be my customers horror stories about their customer service.