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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Skyguns MKII on December 10, 2011, 05:09:26 PM
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What color will the marking smoke be? How were they dropped? from the plane itself or dropped by hand?
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I think there will be 4, and they will be launched by wing hard points.
Color & duration? -shrugs-
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This MUST be the version we will be getting, might not be that useless.
Fi 156 F or P - Counter insurgency version. Identical to the C-3 with machine guns in side windows and bomb-racks/smoke laying. (produced in 1942)
The Fi 156F or P was a Police or anti-Partisan version of the aircraft, armed with small bombs and forward firing machine guns. (!!!!)
"The Fieseler Fi 156F or P (for Police) was a version of the Storch designed for internal security and anti-partisan activities. It was similar to the Fi 156C-3, but carried two Rost 24 SD 2/XI bomb racks, one on each wing, mounted just beyond the wing struts. Each of these racks could carry 24 SD 2 fragmentation bombs that could be dropped in batches of four or in a single long salvo. The P may also have carried two MG 15 machine guns mounted on either side of the cabin, as well as a loudspeaker system designed for psychological warfare. The service record of this variant is unclear, although it may have been used by the SS during the Jewish uprising in the Warsaw ghetto in 1944."
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_fieseler_fi_156P.html
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HTC has already said it will carry 25 of them.
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HTC has already said it will carry 25 of them.
The ammo counter is also visible in the screen shots :aok
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i wonder how fun it will be to up one of these near a big gv fight and just start flinging smoke bombs around :devil
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i wonder how fun it will be to up one of these near a big gv fight and just start flinging smoke bombs around :devil
You know someones going to do this, imagine if 2-3 start dropping smoke bombs everywhere. oh the Smoke-humanity.
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The ammo counter is also visible in the screen shots :aok
I noticed that as well ;)
I think this will be my new favorite plane :D
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You know someones going to do this, imagine if 2-3 start dropping smoke bombs everywhere. oh the Smoke-humanity.
i,ll do it when i,m bored..... just for the chanel 200 entertainment :aok
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HTC has already said it will carry 25 of them.
WHAT??? I don't think so. :headscratch:
I've found pictures from where they mounted 3/50kg bombs, but no smoke bomb/grenade mounts yet. The hard points are the undercarriage and the end of the wing struts.
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:rofl
Oh, to be online...
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WHAT??? I don't think so. :headscratch:
I've found pictures from where they mounted 3/50kg bombs, but no smoke bomb/grenade mounts yet. The hard points are the undercarriage and the end of the wing struts.
Look at the cockpit picture the ammo counter says 25 smoke.
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Look at the cockpit picture the ammo counter says 25 smoke.
Good call. I didnt pay too much attention to the # of rounds in the counter.
25 smoke rounds???? Holy Schmoly! That could have been for testing purposes only though. We'll have to wait and see when the final version comes out.
*off to go dig some more*
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Good call. I didnt pay too much attention to the # of rounds in the counter.
25 smoke rounds???? Holy Schmoly! That could have been for testing purposes only though. We'll have to wait and see when the final version comes out.
*off to go dig some more*
It will make sneak attacks real easy with only one stork you could cover a whole field in smoke. (If the smoke works like the tank smoke that is)
Hopefully they incorporate some way to give the spotter a few perks. Kinda hoping they make it like a whole new class so I can be top spotter. :D :cool: :airplane:
And for everyone that doesnt like it I think it is going to be awesome!
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What would the perks be for? A perked scout that really doesn't need a perk-price?
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What would the perks be for? A perked scout that really doesn't need a perk-price?
Might put it under GV points since your dealing with GV's in general or bomber points since you would in a way be bombing something.
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Sounds good.
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"Graduate in 6 months!!!! Fly Storches, then switch to B-29s!!!
Yes folks, hop into the cockpit of that tiny little butterfly of a spotter airplane with a SINGLE machine-gun for rear defense, then make your way to the 4-engined atomic bomber, complete with 12 machine guns and a 20mm cannon for all-round defense!!!
:rofl
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What would the perks be for? A perked scout that really doesn't need a perk-price?
Why would you think it would be perked??
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http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt07/smoke-bomb.html
That is the only bit of info I can find on German smoke bombs used in WWII by the Luftwaffe. If that is true, there is no way that the Storch will be able to carry 25 of them since they weight 110 lbs each. However, "it is reported to produce large quantities of greenish-black smoke for about 20 minutes", so not many will be needed to provide a decent smoke screen. Besides, there were only 3 mounts for them. :)
We'll see though, HTC may have pulled a wabbit out of a hat and found some far out in left field reference that shows the Storch utilizing the passenger/spotter tossing smoke grenades out the window. :D
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http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt07/smoke-bomb.html
That is the only bit of info I can find on German smoke bombs used in WWII by the Luftwaffe. If that is true, there is no way that the Storch will be able to carry 25 of them since they weight 110 lbs each. However, "it is reported to produce large quantities of greenish-black smoke for about 20 minutes", so not many will be needed to provide a decent smoke screen. Besides, there were only 3 mounts for them. :)
We'll see though, HTC may have pulled a wabbit out of a hat and found some far out in left field reference that shows the Storch utilizing the passenger/spotter tossing smoke grenades out the window. :D
Well they may have just decided 25 was a good number for it to actually be effective as well. Either way I wont complain Im just excited to see her. :x
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Well they may have just decided 25 was a good number for it to actually be effective as well. Either way I wont complain Im just excited to see her. :x
Perhaps. At this point I'm willing to bet a good bottle of beer that HTC is not going to put 25 smoke bombs on the Storch. :D
I too am looking forward to the new dimension for AH. Having a rather harmless aircraft being a pain in the arse is going to be fun. :aok I'm hoping there is a way that HTC will code things so that there is no score or kill award for shooting down the Storch. :aok
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Again, for the people that apparently can not read.
If you look at the screenshots posted...
you will notice the ammo counter clearly displaying 25/smoke :aok
That's gotta be some type of clue don't you think?
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Again, for the people that apparently can not read.
If you look at the screenshots posted...
you will notice the ammo counter clearly displaying 25/smoke :aok
That's gotta be some type of clue don't you think?
Clearly some people cant read that those are only screen shots and that the final model may change. :aok
I'm willing to bet that it isn't going to have 25 smoke bombs, certainly not 25 of the 50kg smoke bombs that are shown in the links provided (stats and photos). If the Storch does get 25 rounds of smoke it is going to be something a lot smaller and something probably devised by HTC, and how often do we see HTC using some random stat they made up? Not often. The biggest example of that is the 10 troops, 1 field supply box, and 10 gv supply boxes are all the same weight in the C47. The "25" counter is for testing purposes. I've got a bottle of good beer saying that it isnt going to be 25 of the 50kg smoke bombs. ;)
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It will probably have 25 smoke bombs, but they will not last 20 minutes each.
And any amount of smoke probably will be limited by each sector, thus to avoid the rapid fps loss by some players/squads who will mass drop smoke bombs,much like the 30+ c-47 para trooper raids that can happen.
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I'm betting final count will be either 10-15
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I'm betting final count will be either 10-15
:huh
Look at the previous posts or perhaps the screenshots :bhead
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What I envision is a classic set up for 5-10k buffs. A Storch goes in, uses smoke to create a visible bomb path for the buffs. Put two smokes on the start point, three smokes on the exit and the buffs know how to line up and when to drop. I think carpet bombing the bad guys just got more effective. In short order GVs are going to get treated similar to German tanks at the hands of Operation Cobra during June of 1944. Helped break out of the hedgrow country by massive carpet bombing.
This might change the game and get more people out of GVs and into birds. Maybe...
Boo
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How were they dropped? from the plane itself or dropped by hand?
Clue maybe?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/FI%20156%20Storch/storch.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/FI%20156%20Storch/STORCHBOMBS-1.jpg)
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I would use this example as to how this will be useful:
I'm flying an Il2, but with reduced GV icons it will be more difficult to see where a GV is to set up an attack.
My friendly Storch pilot flys by, pops a smoke grenade near the enemy GV so I have a point of reference to where the enemy is.
I actually believe this plane will be used alot, we already use fighters to mark the enemy with mg fire, smoke since it lingers, will make it much easier to see since I wouldnt have to be staring at the marking plane the moment it fires.
I wonder how visible it would be from a ground level though :/
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Why would you think it would be perked??
You misunderstand. I was questioning why we should have a seperate category for the scout aircraft, when splitting them off from the bombers and making it a new aircraft class would serve no purpose aside from giving people another score category to pork, and a bunch of useless perks.
I can't think of a scout aircraft that would need a perk price attached to it (even the Fw 189, since it would lack the Storch's very low wing-loading and associated benefits, you would just be exchanging preformance and capabilities in one area for boost in speed, which leave it still pretty damn slow) so the perks would be completly useless.
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You misunderstand. I was questioning why we should have a seperate category for the scout aircraft, when splitting them off from the bombers and making it a new aircraft class would serve no purpose aside from giving people another score category to pork, and a bunch of useless perks.
I can't think of a scout aircraft that would need a perk price attached to it (even the Fw 189, since it would lack the Storch's very low wing-loading and associated benefits, you would just be exchanging preformance and capabilities in one area for boost in speed, which leave it still pretty damn slow) so the perks would be completly useless.
That's actually a very good point, what does this count as? Fighter/attack/bomber, or scout?
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If I had to venture a guess, I would say bomber, simply because the C-47 is also a bomber.
Edit: Oh Oh Oh!!! We should also be alble to carry a few troops in it too!!!! The jeep can carry 3 troops some how, despite only have 1 extra seat not counting the .50cal possition. how about we let the Storch also carry 3?
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If I had to venture a guess, I would say bomber, simply because the C-47 is also a bomber.
Edit: Oh Oh Oh!!! We should also be alble to carry a few troops in it too!!!! The jeep can carry 3 troops some how, despite only have 1 extra seat not counting the .50cal possition. how about we let the Storch also carry 3?
Because the Storch does not typically carry 3, and certainly not combat-ready troops
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The Jeep also has a bit of a space in the back.
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Now that it's brought up..what was called the "jeep of the skies?" I know I heard this somewhere and I want to say it's a C-47??
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Another question, what about rearming this bird? Normally you land at the field, go to rearm pad wait 30 seconds. Would this bird have the ability to land on the battlefield, taxi up to ground supplies and reload that way? I understand (possibly wrong) that these FAC planes would land at random places and refuel from jeeps, etc as part of the rapidly shifting parameters of the battlefield.
I think it should be able to rearm this way. Makes for a more dynamic operating envelope. What do you think?
Boo
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That'd be kinda fun, don't you think?
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Well been playing in the beta and yes there are 25 smoke bombs and they create a very light amount of orange smoke still very visible. There is a delay between drops I think it waits for the prior bomb to hit the ground first. The wings of the storch rip off around 140 which is very easy to do in a dive. She'll hang on the prop for a bit if you are patient with her and is very very VERY agile and manuverable. :x Great Job HTC. :aok :rock :cheers: :salute
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The pilot drops a satchel out the window for the smoke grenade.
Pilot wounds a very easy from any tank pintle gun.
Wirbelwinds rule.
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would enjoy seeing the counter-insurgency version of this, with the 50kg bombs.
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What kind of rudder control does this bird have?
Boo
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Probably a bit...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtA5GjaLrI&feature=youtube_gdata
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What kind of rudder control does this bird have?
Boo
Very touchy the whole plane turns on a dime all of the controls are very responsive and I may just be paranoid but I think adverse yaw was modeled into the Storch due to the wingspan and it all works very well.
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Well been playing in the beta and yes there are 25 smoke bombs and they create a very light amount of orange smoke still very visible. There is a delay between drops I think it waits for the prior bomb to hit the ground first. The wings of the storch rip off around 140 which is very easy to do in a dive. She'll hang on the prop for a bit if you are patient with her and is very very VERY agile and manuverable. :x Great Job HTC. :aok :rock :cheers: :salute
Fixed pitch prop too, so it overspeeds in a dive. The engine breaks at about 160mph, a bit after you lose the outer wings.
I did get a proximity kill on an Me262 that augured while trying to kill me.
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Fixed pitch prop too, so it overspeeds in a dive. The engine breaks at about 160mph, a bit after you lose the outer wings.
So...sounds like you fly it like a 172 with super flaps and slats.
Should really be a lot of fun.
- oldman
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So...sounds like you fly it like a 172 with super flaps and slats.
Should really be a lot of fun.
- oldman
Takes damage like a 172 as well. A quarter second burst from the two 7.7mm guns on an A6M3 to the fuselage from behind will down one just about every time.
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I can see it know defenders see a large raid comeing in on radar the up to attack then the dots are gone then someone calls Storches on the deck and as everyone dives for an easy kill they forget the Storch is doing 110 and there doing 400+ the tower is going to be a busy place
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I can see it know defenders see a large raid comeing in on radar the up to attack then the dots are gone then someone calls Storches on the deck and as everyone dives for an easy kill they forget the Storch is doing 110 and there doing 400+ the tower is going to be a busy place
I can't wait to make it dance when a Pony is burning up on reentry to get a measly "kill"
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I can see it know defenders see a large raid comeing in on radar the up to attack then the dots are gone then someone calls Storches on the deck and as everyone dives for an easy kill they forget the Storch is doing 110 and there doing 400+ the tower is going to be a busy place
I've already seen that first hand in the beta server. I was in a Storch (pronounced STORK, not STOR"CH"!!!) and was able to stay live while having a 109G-14 w/20mm's and P51D try and BnZ me. I was badly tore up and missing a wing tip, but was able to avoid them both for quite some time. All I did was turn hard to the right and stay at or *below* tree top level. I peppered them both with 8mm MG fire and was awarded a kill on 1 of them when he tried to eat a tree and the other gave up and RTB'd. :aok The other thing is if people are that hungry for a kill and they pay too much attention on trying to get the kill on a Storch they will only become a piece of meat for an enemy fighter to chew on.
It doesnt take much to bring a Stork down, but getting enough hits on target is going to be the issue. Think of how hard it is trying to shoot down a hard turning IL-2 while in a 550mph Me262.
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Nah... I'd say more like trying to hit a hard diving-turning DRI with a 550pmh 163.
Maybe..?
And why do I see this plane being used as bait?
Up 4 or 5 Storchs, and then a BIG raid behind them? :D
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I was badly tore up and missing a wing tip
A wing tip? Are they implementing the WWI damage models?
- oldman