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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Black Jack on December 17, 2011, 11:31:19 AM
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I started to fly the P38J this last tour and tried to find old threads about how to fight in it. Unfortunately I must be doing something wrong because the threads I find are from 2002 or around. Nothing wrong with that, but would like something more recent with films still available. So, if somebody could provide me links or films fighting more specifically Spits with a P38, it would be greatly appreciated. Tks
Black70
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,318366.15.html
have you seen this? bout a hour long. don't forget to watch the text as it plays. :airplane:
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Yes already have that file Uptown. Very informative, but was looking for actual fights to see flap, throttle work and low speed knife fighting for example. Tks :aok
Black70
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I usually fly the 38G these days and I lost most of my older films when the 'puter died a few months back but I'll poke around and see if I have any worth sharing.
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Yes already have that file Uptown. Very informative, but was looking for actual fights to see flap, throttle work and low speed knife fighting for example. Tks :aok
Black70
keep an eye out for AKAK AWESOME at using those flaps in the P38 he would be helpful for you
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Okie dokie, took a while as the 'ol film library is a bit thin at the moment but I found a decent flight from back in November that was part of a training/help thread in the 80th forums.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ynetmhsrjpji49v (http://www.mediafire.com/?ynetmhsrjpji49v)
Like most my flights, there's some decent flying at parts as well as a healthy dose of luck that let me get through it in more or less one piece despite some mistakes I make. There are a few little things that I do in this film that influence that luck just a little in my favor and a lot of calculated risks that I felt I had to take at certain points that fortunately play out in my favor. There is also a lot of things in here that the 38 does well, low speed vertical maneuvering and handling and flap work.
If you're still interested watch the film and then come back here or PM me with any questions and I'll be happy to try and explain/answer as best I can.
As usual I'm in my rusty 'ol 38G but I probably wouldn't fight any of these any different if I was flying a P-38J assuming it was also light on fuel, if anything the J probably would give a little wider margin of error.
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Soulyss, Silat, Delirium.......If these guys are in your country follow them & observe. If they are enemy, fly away LOL. They are the best 38 sticks I can think of right off the top of my head.
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Soulyss spent some time with me in the TA, I will see if I can find that film.
Welcome to the part shedding addiction. Have a good time and remember, everyone picks on the 38!
TomG
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It seems I lost the training film with Soulyss :( but I was able to find a film where I had some good flap work, I die in it but it was a fun fight. Hope this helps.
http://www.mediafire.com/?zr4hjbyp8fyua6g (http://www.mediafire.com/?zr4hjbyp8fyua6g)
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I'll see if I can dig up my old films for ya... I have plenty flights recorded, Just gotta find em. :airplane:
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I started to fly the P38J this last tour and tried to find old threads about how to fight in it. Unfortunately I must be doing something wrong because the threads I find are from 2002 or around. Nothing wrong with that, but would like something more recent with films still available. So, if somebody could provide me links or films fighting more specifically Spits with a P38, it would be greatly appreciated. Tks
Black70
Deliriums P-38 clinic: http://www.fw190.org/P38Clinic.htm
EDIT - Film is from a previous version of Aces High and I have not run it recently. No guarentees it will work with the current version.
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Tks Soulyss, those are the kind of films I'm looking for. I wasn't sure if I was flapping too much or not enough when turn fighting. It showed me I'm on the right track more or less :aok I got a few questions. About the shuddering stage of turning. Are you or can you be a little faster to turn if you release on elevator pressure to ride the stall but just not enough to shudder? One way or the other, I kinda flap in and out like you do and trying not to go more than 3 notches while turning but all out if I want to "fall on my back" faster for a gun solution. Also, when trying to "hammerhead" then line up the target coming back down, I bring flaps full in, chop throttle and even rudder to make sure I don't pass or overshoot the target I just roped. How or what is the best way to do this or is it ok. I probably have a timing problem at this time. When I reverse, the target has time to get away "dive" before I can shoot or because of my plane weight, I will pass them coming down. If that happens "plane B" so I go full throttle, wep and come back up right away. Most times I regained enough E that they can't come back up with me. By the way :cry this doesn't work with zekes or spits, they follow me up and blow me to pieces :bhead Working to fight the spits above medium speeds like Delirium is talking about in the clinic. Thks again.
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To answer your first question about turns, I have to give the not very helpful and very vague "it depends" answer. There's a couple reasons for this and I'll try and explain what I try to do. I'm very much a layman in terms of the how's and why's things work in here, and I just flat don't understand some of the intricacies of flight physics and ACM's beyond the basic level, but I'll try and explain a few things that I'm thinking about. I've found over the years that a common mistake a lot of newer players make regardless of the plane they are flying is that they equate pulling harder on the joystick with a tighter turn, this is true to a point until that maximum G turn burns all your E and leaves you with nothing left in the bank to work with. I try to find that sweet spot that's just tight enough to accomplish what I want it to do, flaps work the same way if I need to move the nose a little more, out come the flaps once the nose is where I want it, or if I don't need the help anymore they come back in to try and save that extra little bit of E. Sometimes I'll pull back a little more on the stick and try and tighten the turn, sometimes I'll relax that pressure and let the nose dip below the horizon and try and build or conserve a little speed. An old buddy of mine Mathman, who used to play years ago and was a mean F6F driver once told me "let the plane do the work", meaning sometimes you can get more with less input on the stick than trying to hamfist and muscle your way through everything.
To speak to your second question about completing a rope it's a matter of practice, how close you can judge their E state, angles, and when they are going to fall off. You can build a big margin of error in early and be well out of their guns but you probably won't be able to get them going back down before they can accelerate back up to speed and try and set you up for a reversal or extend. Cut it too close and they get the shot, but with practice you can walk that line where they can't shoot you but you can tell when they've just about had it and time that flop and be roaring back down hill as they run out of smash and are meat on the table.
Here's a film from a fight I had vs a A6M in MW a while back, the guy I was fighting has been around for a while, is experienced, and a tough/good fight. I was having a really hard time because he was smart enough to conserve his E, making it work for him. Some A6M drivers will burn E trying to get the fight slow as quick as possible and you can use that against them, this time I was finding it difficult to get on top and control the fight, the first merge he defeated and I had to extend and reset. The 2nd I actually should have had a shot around 3:30 but I over controlled and almost lost it. The third merge I tried setting him up a bit because I knew he had just watched me walk away from him twice and I was counting on him chasing if I threw a little bait at him it worked out and his speed built a little too high and I nailed a lucky shot on the overshoot.
http://www.mediafire.com/?n0w2ldzv6htus3b (http://www.mediafire.com/?n0w2ldzv6htus3b)
Hope that all makes sense and helps. :)
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Tks again Soulyss, yep I know Flat, he's a squaddie. He's pretty good in the zeke. I see how you kept ur plane faster since going slower would of meant big trouble vs a zeke. Biggest thing I learned from this one though and never thought about it, is the use of flaps when you reversed him just before the kill. Like you said, his speed went against him and flapping out gave you the added turn you needed for a good shot. Now let say you missed him on that move, what was the best thing to do after in this case?
Thks again and post more if you have them. Picking up small details here and there that make the difference between being sent to the tower or send the other guy. :aok :aok
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At the moment I take my shot and connect (5:35) Flat's got about a 100mph speed difference in his favor, he's under 300mph now and I'm under 200mph against a newer/ less experienced opponent I *MAY* have been able to try and follow him up a bit. If the A6M kept turning and completed the loop I may have been able to get a shot as the nose flops over the top, however against someone like Flatiron I'd expect he'd make the right move and do a spiral climb or some other sort of maneuver to try and keep me on the rope till I hung myself. In this particular fight if I missed that shot my only real option would be to dive and extend yet again and try to reset the fight.
The P-38J or L would be playing by the same rules and restrictions I was dealing with yet would have a little easier go at it because they have more engine power.
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There's few things more enjoyable in Aces High than watching a P-38 flown to its limits. Nice films, guys. I loved the nearly 0mph vertical work.