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Title: new military tires
Post by: oakranger on December 22, 2011, 09:23:28 PM
I was told about those tires five years ago. The People that are working on them and wanted to put out in the market. Really cool.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66a_1324097674 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66a_1324097674)
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: F22RaptorDude on December 22, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
I've seen these before, back when it was just a theory, totally cool and could be extremely useful
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Penguin on December 22, 2011, 09:50:29 PM
What happens when sand, mud, rocks, etc., gets wedged in between those things?  I can see them being a mean mothertrucker to clean.

-Penguin
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: oakranger on December 22, 2011, 10:14:57 PM
I've seen these before, back when it was just a theory, totally cool and could be extremely useful

Either firestone or Michelan is working on these. They cannot go flat at all. You can fully puncture a 1" re-bar and still a good tire. The downside of these is if bellybutton cars and trucks have these, the tire industery will suffer.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2011, 12:07:36 AM
Either firestone or Michelan is working on these. They cannot go flat at all. You can fully puncture a 1" re-bar and still a good tire. The downside of these is if bellybutton cars and trucks have these, the tire industery will suffer.

Naa those will never make the street. Slow travel would be ok. Anything stuck in a hole and it is out of balance for speed.

Also check out how the Humvee rocks when it stops. Spring action of the tire.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Tom5572 on December 23, 2011, 12:15:25 AM
There was a lot of compression there with one of the light hmmwv's what happens when they are put on an M1151? Great application instead of the run flats we have now but will they hold the weight of the up armors?
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Skyguns MKII on December 23, 2011, 12:19:36 AM
There was a lot of compression there with one of the light hmmwv's what happens when they are put on an M1151? Great application instead of the run flats we have now but will they hold the weight of the up armors?

they probably have different tires for different vehicles and their weight.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: F22RaptorDude on December 23, 2011, 12:24:04 AM
they probably have different tires for different vehicles and their weight.
what he said
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Melvin on December 23, 2011, 12:32:17 AM
Naa those will never make the street. Slow travel would be ok. Anything stuck in a hole and it is out of balance for speed.

Also check out how the Humvee rocks when it stops. Spring action of the tire.

All of this.

Useless for the military because any flotsam will either throw it out of balance or ruin it, unlike the multi-belted, heavy sidewalled tires they should run.

Any 91B's with input?
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Rob52240 on December 23, 2011, 04:39:31 AM
Not to mention the noise they'd make at highway speeds.  Cool tires nonetheless.

Anyone seen that new anti-sniper rifle?
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: SD67 on December 23, 2011, 05:30:38 AM
I thought this was a post about the fitness of your troops....
But, yes... Michelin have been working on this concept for 10 years It's called a Tweel.
They have versions optimised for road use, as yet there are still the open sides, though I understand the final designs of the tweel are to have a sidewall of some sort.
Said to be much more efficient and much much lighter than a traditional Wheel/Tyre combination. Gonna suck for the flashy rims crowd eventually if it catches on.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: eagl on December 23, 2011, 07:35:00 AM
Since the spaces in the wheel collapse a bit in volume every rotation, try to imagine if they put sidewalls on these...  and then someone modified the sidewalls with whistles :)  If they spaced the whistles around the perimeter, it would be one continuous shriek as the wheel rotated.  If they varied the spacing or pitch of the whistles, it would either flutter or make a warbling sound.

That would totally replace spinners.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: 2ADoc on December 23, 2011, 09:18:55 AM
Since the spaces in the wheel collapse a bit in volume every rotation, try to imagine if they put sidewalls on these...  and then someone modified the sidewalls with whistles :)  If they spaced the whistles around the perimeter, it would be one continuous shriek as the wheel rotated.  If they varied the spacing or pitch of the whistles, it would either flutter or make a warbling sound.

That would totally replace spinners.


As if the fart tubes on the little 4 bangers aren't irritating enough, that would be a terrible fad.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2011, 09:24:36 AM
Any sidewall would have to be from the ID to the OD. It would not contact and close in each seperate area. If it did the the seperate areas could not compress. Sidewalls would also add weight. They could not be much thinner than what we have now. The thickness would have to be based on possible outside damage sources and not inside pressure or weight capacity.

Not even going to the different speed ratings we have now or the tooling to mount the new system.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: ebfd11 on December 23, 2011, 10:29:58 AM
Naa those will never make the street. Slow travel would be ok. Anything stuck in a hole and it is out of balance for speed.

Also check out how the Humvee rocks when it stops. Spring action of the tire.

Unlike a car the Hummvee has the brakes on the drive shaft not the tires, so what you are seeing is the excess momentum as it is being stopped.

Also like lots have said anything getting in the sidewall would throw it out of balance.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Masherbrum on December 23, 2011, 10:48:26 AM
Unlike a car the Hummvee has the brakes on the drive shaft not the tires, so what you are seeing is the excess momentum as it is being stopped.

This.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
Unlike a car the Hummvee has the brakes on the drive shaft not the tires, so what you are seeing is the excess momentum as it is being stopped.

Also like lots have said anything getting in the sidewall would throw it out of balance.

I've driven humvees before :)

Now watch the tire as he stops.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Masherbrum on December 23, 2011, 11:33:32 AM
I've driven humvees before :)

Now watch the tire as he stops.

You realize you are hinting at what he is, right?
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2011, 12:24:16 PM
You realize you are hinting at what he is, right?

Tire flex
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Penguin on December 24, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
Why put brakes on a driveshaft?  Does it help to protect them from damage?

-Penguin
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: SD67 on December 28, 2011, 11:54:04 PM
Why put brakes on a driveshaft?  Does it help to protect them from damage?

-Penguin
:bhead
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: Hoffman on December 29, 2011, 05:39:17 PM
Why put brakes on a driveshaft?  Does it help to protect them from damage?

-Penguin

IIRC, the Humvee was designed from the ground up to be the most rugged replacement of the old Jeep as possible.  The whole thing was built to be survivable (as in the crew, not necessarily the vehicle) if it ever ran into mines, and durable enough to shrug off most small arms fire.
The original Humvee is one hell of a vehicle for its original design.

Brakes on the drive shaft are there so that when one of your tires gets shot out, or blown off, you still have equal braking control for the vehicle.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: helbent on December 29, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
Ive been out of balance for years, I get around ok.
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: JunkyII on December 30, 2011, 12:43:53 AM
Just so everyone is tracking....Humvees are being replaced by the new MATVs, they have a gross weight of close to 30,000 pounds with out all the extra stuff we put in the trucks(Ammo, radios, food, water, gear).

The run flat tires I think are perfect in these trucks because they don't get entirely flat, the truck pumps air into the tire as you are moving so you can make it to a safe place to get a new tire on.

Those tires like shuffler said look like they add a rocking effect to the rock of the truck stopping, with 30,000 pounds added to that rocking I feel like it would be unsafe and flat out annoying while driving.

Also in high temprature fires I think those tires would create a hell of a fire....I'll stick with the run flats.

 :salute
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: oakranger on December 30, 2011, 12:49:45 AM
Just so everyone is tracking....Humvees are being replaced by the new MATVs, they have a gross weight of close to 30,000 pounds with out all the extra stuff we put in the trucks(Ammo, radios, food, water, gear).

The run flat tires I think are perfect in these trucks because they don't get entirely flat, the truck pumps air into the tire as you are moving so you can make it to a safe place to get a new tire on.

Those tires like shuffler said look like they add a rocking effect to the rock of the truck stopping, with 30,000 pounds added to that rocking I feel like it would be unsafe and flat out annoying while driving.

Also in high temprature fires I think those tires would create a hell of a fire....I'll stick with the run flats.

 :salute

I have seen the MATV.  Vary nice looking and look like they can take a bellybutton beating.  However, i wonder how many lives would have been saved in Iraq/Afganistan if we had them over the Humvees?
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: ebfd11 on December 30, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Junky nice to see ya bro... :rock :rock :rock :salute :salute :salute
Title: Re: new military tires
Post by: JunkyII on January 03, 2012, 06:10:49 AM
I have seen the MATV.  Vary nice looking and look like they can take a bellybutton beating.  However, i wonder how many lives would have been saved in Iraq/Afganistan if we had them over the Humvees?
Depends bro....use a big enough IED anything is going to get blown sky high, my sister battalion had one of these lose all the doors and the turret in an IED strike. 5 KIA. :pray

Junky nice to see ya bro... :rock :rock :rock :salute :salute :salute
:rock :salute