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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: thndregg on December 28, 2011, 08:42:54 AM
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Simply put, I'm looking to stir things up. (hint, hint..) ;)
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Simply put, I'm looking to stir things up. (hint, hint..) ;)
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you and me both if i get the time to :lol
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"M.o.M" ?
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"M.o.M" ?
A MoM is a MILB....
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MILB = Minor League Baseball?
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Mission I'd Like to Bust :devil
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Mission I'd Like to Bust :devil
:aok
Lusche gets it. People used to run a Mission of the Month a long time ago. I just wanted to get something started. :)
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I can't decide if I like flying in the MoMs or attacking them... One way or another they're great and I am sure many people would like to the return.
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I have a better idea...
How about you have a MoM forum which all 3 countries have access to. This way, it is far easier to arrange when a country will have 100+ flying in one sector and the other countries will know ahead of time to avoid it to prevent ruining your massive mission.
Also, all the countries can take bases in a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction and never have to see any opposition, what so ever. Whoever takes the most bases in the shorter period of time, wins!
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I was going to say we don't need more BIG missions, we just need BETTER Missions
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I can't decide if I like flying in the MoMs or attacking them... One way or another they're great and I am sure many people would like to the return.
Well... short notice, but look out this Friday night. ;) Hope we can get some takers.
I have no idea what the situation will be in the MA, but I bet it'll be fun for both sides. :)
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I have a better idea...
:cry
Fixed.
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You know as well as I do that having 15+ formations of bombers with escort is more than enough to overwhelm any defender, particularly when they are at high alt. When this happens, you might as well not have any opposition at all.
Feel free to continue to attack me, it only gives greater credence to my argument.
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I was going to say we don't need more BIG missions, we just need BETTER Missions
The MoM are exactly what we need.
Big bomber missions, flown in regular formations at appropriate altitudes with escorts roaming ahead and above. Interceptors trying to get themselves into position. Rookies fighter pilots fighting with compression as much as with the enemy. Bomber stragglers being swarmed by piranhas.
And as far as open notification on BBS or 200 goes... you guys have to be kidding me. You know there is a mission coming up, and you have the dar at your disposal, where you can spot that mission literally ages before it even crosses the front lines. You want it even easier? Need exact target and TOA so that you can be at the right time at the right place to blast the bombers out of the sky without any effort?
Where is the fun in that?
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I was going to say we don't need more BIG missions, we just need BETTER Missions
Exactly... in the past, I saw a certain Jug squadron come down and take out the hangers at a field. Instead of augering for more eggs, they covered each other in a game of leapfrog all the way home while the few of us tried to engage them.
They could of done it with 30 people in the mission, but instead did it with 6 guys, more than one brain between them (unlike the huge missions), and it was far more impressive.
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You are aware that it's not about capturing bases for everyone all the time?
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The MoM are exactly what we need.
I disagree strongly.
While historically accurate, what fun is it for some guy in a FW190A8 at 30k, barely able to stay level, trying to engage a bomber stream that in bomber numbers alone out number the defenders? Add another 25+ escorts and it is so lopsided (again while historically accurate) that even scenarios don't try and reproduce this carnage?
I'd much rather see spread out strategic targets that small groups can attack, instead of these massive missions.
Where is the fun in that?
I could care less if I see them coming or not, most of the time the big dar bar is a huge red arrow to the pack anyway. The problem is giving the ratio of attackers to defenders tends to be horribly lopsided.
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You are aware that it's not about capturing bases for everyone all the time?
No, it's all about combat. Having 15+ buff groups escorted by 15+ fighters at alt isn't combat. It's another horde to roll over what ever they choose to.
If the was a reason to defend...other than the obvious one that would bring the "gamers" out to play then I could see a MoM being something worth while.
On the other hand, 5 missions like Del described with 6 P47s hitting a base and covering each other all the way back to their base while being harassed by a pair of defenders sounds like something you could get to happen often in the MAs. If it's "not always about taking bases" the same 30+ guys in the MoM could instead run 6 missions simultaneously and have 12+ defenders chasing them around. Instead of having 30+ guys climb for an hour hit an undefended base/depot having "fun" you could have 45 guys having as much if not more quicker duking it out all over the place..
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I was trying to figure out if you guys found another use for Milk-Of-Magnesia. :angel: :neener:
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I only few in q couple MoM's but both times they went to strat. Idk if I just happen to be on two that went to strats or what but I thought the goal of the MoM was to hit strats, not bases. This was its not a horde rolling over bases.
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Good grief, folks. :huh
Been through it. Posted and participated in all sorts of heavy bomber missions. It has proven to be fun for a lot of folks. There's been a lot of salutes & appreciation expressed from all sides. If there were more of a vital strat system in place, then our target choices would not be as constrained.
I find it very odd, after being absent from the game since last May, that there would be such a surge of dissatisfaction over some event such as this.
I am ultimately NOT a land-grabber type of player in this game. I am interested in recreating a hint of historical flavor & realism (with respect to the game mechanics & playability). That's all I'm after-- just to create a fun fight, drink a few adult beverages, have a few laughs, and enjoy a little comradery from all sides.
If this were such a frowned-upon thing to do, why have lots of players on both sides participated? Why then has HTC done largely nothing in the past decade to curtail such activity?
I think it's fine.
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If there were more of a vital strat system in place, then our target choices would not be as constrained.
I agree utterly and completely with you. Bomber squadrons definitely get the short end of the stick...
I'm still not in favor of massive bomber formations with escort in the MA, never was, never will be. You'll never get anywhere near the defenders to make it challenging, much less finding an organized defense as the formations get attacked by single fighters most of the time.
Not a stab at you, ThundrEgg, I've agreed with you in the past about the bombers groups lack of targets.
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This is just sad.
We have the daily routines of smash&grab, NOE sneak attempts and so on. The tactical air combat prevails, and we read complains on this BBS about this 'landgrabbin mono culture', 'win the war at all costs' mindset, about 'gamey Xbox generation with no clue about WW2 aviation' and so on.
The come Thunderegg and tries to resurrect something that has somewhat fallen into disuse, but was huge fun for literally hundreds of players for long times. A mission that promises to put the "multi" into multi player again, is not disrupting the gameplay in any way, has no ill effect on those not caring to defend against it, but offers a nice change of pace for those looking for it. Something that is closer to a facette of WW2 air battles that is rarely seen in the MA these days.
In fact, the participants in such a raid do "hurt" their country (taking several dozen players out of the landgrab play for 1-2 hours), and as a matter of fact they hurt their scores too. It's totally opposite of everything what's usually bemoaned here in the forum.
I'm almost speechless that Thndr is getting flak for this. If that's the reality of AH 2011, this game has indeed gone south.
If you find it boring to climb up to 25k to intercept the MoM ... then just don't do it. What is the problem with that? They don't sink yer CV, they don't shut down your frontline bases, they most probably don't even have a significant impact on the strats and thus the resupply system. They just don't fight the kind of battle you are interested in. So what?
What about those having fun to fly bombers in formations similar to those we all have seen in movies and on myriad of pictures? What about those having FUN in trying to intercept such bombers, having FUN in trying to set up an attack run on the bombers despite the presence of enemy escorts? Having FUN fighting in the unusual high altitude environment? Oh wait... yes, I forgot... alt monkeys are lame....
Another note on "overwhelming the defenses". Another point that I can't grasp. Is it really that terrible, if the vile bombers do make it to the target and back? Would it really soo much better / honorable / fun if they get completely wiped out?
I have fought many a time vs the MoM and numerous similar missions over the years. Almost every one of them, even when flying at 25k and above, was badly mauled. Usually only a fraction of bombers makes it back home. Sometimes the whole mission died before reaching the target area.
At one point the escorts are dispersed all over the sky, a few Me 262 start to appear and tear holes in the main formation, and sooner or later the formation starts to erode anyway. Shot down defenders can quickly up a second time to catch the raid on it's return leg, while the attackers are just getting less and less.
As a fighter pilot and buff hunter I want both sides to have fun and I want a more than an only remote chance for the bomber & escort guys to have a successful mission. I'd like to see reaching the target by a sizeable portion of such missions as the norm, not the exception.
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I would say the 'flak' is coming from a couple vocal guys who certainly don't represent the majority thought. The truth is that MoM missions, not to mention just the old Saturday night ThndrEGG missions provided hours of fun for A LOT of players. I know it's been a while since I played, but I can assure you, not all missions were overwhelming odds in favor of the bombers. Some nights you would spent 8 sectors fighting off constant attacks, with only 1 or 2 bombers limping it's way home. Sometimes you wouldn't even make it to target!
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As an avowed buff hunter, I'd like to submit a request that your escort fighters be something other than P-51Ds this time.
Something more like a P-40C would be more fun for all involved! :)
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Almost every one of them, even when flying at 25k and above, was badly mauled.
I haven't seen that... either way, have with it.
I'm not agreeing with you Lusche, I'm just ducking out because I don't want this thread to turn ugly.
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!! great post Snailman !! +1
Shut up whiners... Let's MoM
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This is just sad....
Well said.
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I agree utterly and completely with you. Bomber squadrons definitely get the short end of the stick...
I'm still not in favor of massive bomber formations with escort in the MA, never was, never will be. You'll never get anywhere near the defenders to make it challenging, much less finding an organized defense as the formations get attacked by single fighters most of the time.
Not a stab at you, ThundrEgg, I've agreed with you in the past about the bombers groups lack of targets.
No problem, Del. Difference of opinion is another facet of this game. It's just easy for things to get blown out of proportion over the likes of the internet. We just have to keep ourselves in check. :)
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:noid Makem over medium. :noid
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I was going to say we don't need more BIG missions, we just need BETTER Missions
A better mission planner would help.
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I fly all 3 sides so make sure I have access to all of em. Kthx.
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If you post a farewell goodbye thread in the GD and "quit the game", at least try to be gone a year before coming back. :rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317002.0.html
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If you post a farewell goodbye thread in the GD and "quit the game", at least try to be gone a year before coming back. :rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317002.0.html
Thanks loads.
<EDIT> Let's just play the game. Stupid anonymous, as in NOT face to face crap like this is precisely what I wish to avoid. Have fun.
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If you post a farewell goodbye thread in the GD and "quit the game", at least try to be gone a year before coming back. :rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317002.0.html
Grizz, don't you have a computer you should be working on?
(http://www.xomba.com/files/images/FatNerd.preview.jpg)
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As an avowed buff hunter, I'd like to submit a request that your escort fighters be something other than P-51Ds this time.
Something more like a P-40C would be more fun for all involved! :)
Thinking maybe the B5N :rofl
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Grizz, don't you have a computer you should be working on?
(http://www.xomba.com/files/images/FatNerd.preview.jpg)
Good one Jay :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Exactly... in the past, I saw a certain Jug squadron come down and take out the hangers at a field. Instead of augering for more eggs, they covered each other in a game of leapfrog all the way home while the few of us tried to engage them.
They could of done it with 30 people in the mission, but instead did it with 6 guys, more than one brain between them (unlike the huge missions), and it was far more impressive.
But that is only practical at the squad level, to try and do that with "walk-ons" just wouldn't work. The only type of "public" mission you can expect to do, is what we have now, where you are doing well to just get everyone flying in the same direction.
I don't see what the problem is, these large missions rarely have a significant (if any) impact on the map and are really more of a social and "something different to do" thing. If you don't like it, don't participate.
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At any rate, let's have some fun. Tomorrow night (big fat hint ;) ), we'll try & get something together. It would be pretty cool also to grab some screenies & films out of & write up an AAR- something rarely seen on the BBS anymore.
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Happy to see you back thndr! Looking forward to some high alt B-17 strikes :cheers:
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I remember a fellow that used to run MoMs on a regular basis. GREric was his name. I had tons of fun flying both with and against said monthly missions. I too would like to see this "something different to do" aspect return in some form or other.
I usually don't take sides on issues like this, but this time I have to agree with Lusche and EGG. I will definately be looking for a huge Bish darbar Friday night and hope I have enough perkies to up a 262 or if not the mission is at an alt where other cannon birds can get at them..... :devil
:salute thndrEGG
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ThunderEgg... I recommend attacking bish.
However let vDallas know in advance and maybe he can gather up a group to intercept. He seems to able to get a horde together.
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This is just sad.
We have the daily routines of smash&grab, NOE sneak attempts and so on. The tactical air combat prevails, and we read complains on this BBS about this 'landgrabbin mono culture', 'win the war at all costs' mindset, about 'gamey Xbox generation with no clue about WW2 aviation' and so on.
The come Thunderegg and tries to resurrect something that has somewhat fallen into disuse, but was huge fun for literally hundreds of players for long times. A mission that promises to put the "multi" into multi player again, is not disrupting the gameplay in any way, has no ill effect on those not caring to defend against it, but offers a nice change of pace for those looking for it. Something that is closer to a facette of WW2 air battles that is rarely seen in the MA these days.
In fact, the participants in such a raid do "hurt" their country (taking several dozen players out of the landgrab play for 1-2 hours), and as a matter of fact they hurt their scores too. It's totally opposite of everything what's usually bemoaned here in the forum.
I'm almost speechless that Thndr is getting flak for this. If that's the reality of AH 2011, this game has indeed gone south.
If you find it boring to climb up to 25k to intercept the MoM ... then just don't do it. What is the problem with that? They don't sink yer CV, they don't shut down your frontline bases, they most probably don't even have a significant impact on the strats and thus the resupply system. They just don't fight the kind of battle you are interested in. So what?
What about those having fun to fly bombers in formations similar to those we all have seen in movies and on myriad of pictures? What about those having FUN in trying to intercept such bombers, having FUN in trying to set up an attack run on the bombers despite the presence of enemy escorts? Having FUN fighting in the unusual high altitude environment? Oh wait... yes, I forgot... alt monkeys are lame....
Another note on "overwhelming the defenses". Another point that I can't grasp. Is it really that terrible, if the vile bombers do make it to the target and back? Would it really soo much better / honorable / fun if they get completely wiped out?
I have fought many a time vs the MoM and numerous similar missions over the years. Almost every one of them, even when flying at 25k and above, was badly mauled. Usually only a fraction of bombers makes it back home. Sometimes the whole mission died before reaching the target area.
At one point the escorts are dispersed all over the sky, a few Me 262 start to appear and tear holes in the main formation, and sooner or later the formation starts to erode anyway. Shot down defenders can quickly up a second time to catch the raid on it's return leg, while the attackers are just getting less and less.
As a fighter pilot and buff hunter I want both sides to have fun and I want a more than an only remote chance for the bomber & escort guys to have a successful mission. I'd like to see reaching the target by a sizeable portion of such missions as the norm, not the exception.
<S> Snailman. I gotta agree with every pint you make here. MoM's add to the game. I love them, from either offense or defense side. I too could care less who "wins" this engagement. The whole thing is just cool.
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Grizz, don't you have a computer you should be working on?
(http://www.xomba.com/files/images/FatNerd.preview.jpg)
I'm not a fat nerd, in fact I am in really good shape, but thanks. :D
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I'm not a fat nerd, in fact I am in really good shape, but thanks. :D
Must have been an old picture. :neener:
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I'm not a fat nerd, in fact I am in really good shape, but thanks. :D
He's a skinny nerd :lol
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Must have been an old picture. :neener:
I'm sorry, but earlier today that about made me spew my lunchtime coffee. :lol Apologies...
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I disagree strongly.
While historically accurate, what fun is it for some guy in a FW190A8 at 30k, barely able to stay level, trying to engage a bomber stream that in bomber numbers alone out number the defenders? Add another 25+ escorts and it is so lopsided (again while historically accurate) that even scenarios don't try and reproduce this carnage?
well i gotta say del the last MoM the bish attacked (although we used P47Ms against their P47s...) we had 45 pilots shooting at their buffs. that seems about right
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He's a skinny nerd :lol
Pffft, no. Just a nerd in better shape than most of u. :neener:
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Pffft, no. Just a nerd in better shape than most of u. :neener:
(sigh...) I literally got done dawning the "combat boots" and silencing my three bickering sons (ages 7, 10, and nearly 13) at the dinner table...
Since we're way off the subject here, I think I'm done. ;)
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Pffft, no. Just a nerd in better shape than most of u. :neener:
LOL Grizz, Salute Bro :aok
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Grizz is bigger then the average bear, if you know what I'm saying.... :D
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holy crap they are still running these! aahh i want to get back stateside soo badd
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In an attempt to bring it back, we did a run last night. Really, it was a lot more about some shoot-'em-up fun than it was about obliterating targets. It definitely was a firefight, even at 25K. I ran out of ammo as I only racked up one kill & got a number of assists. Made for a great time for everyone involved- from the heavies, to the escorts. I hope it was fun for the Rook interceptors as well. Made for a great lengthy battle.
Really, as far as any consequential impact last night, what I observed was negligable. I'm eager to do more of this. :)