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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pervert on December 29, 2011, 05:47:39 PM
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Like the title says WW1 should be free, HTC has nothing to lose and everthing to gain, it will add numbers to the arena and potentially add subscribers.
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Like the title says WW1 should be free, HTC has nothing to lose and everthing to gain, it will add numbers to the arena and potentially add subscribers.
Server space costs money
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Server space costs money
Its already allocated to the WW1 arena it will be there regardless, this way it will be there with some people actually in it. :salute
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+1 i love flying in the WW1 arena. just wish that there was more people in it.
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Sounds smart.
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It'd give me an excuse to fly wwi more often... :bolt:
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I thought this was silly at first, my problem is that it would give a false representation to the game as a whole.
But now that I'm thinking about it, it doesnt sound like a bad idea
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if there were more than 1 other person in there at a time.. i might drop in more often.
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if there were more than 1 other person in there at a time.. i might drop in more often.
this.
I've been in there a few times. its really fun but upping and flying around all day waiting for someone else to join is a PITA
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if there were more than 1 other person in there at a time.. i might drop in more often.
Thats what I'm sayin' !
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It makes some sense.
Gets people flying and then perhaps after a while they get curious about the rest of the game and decide to subscribe.
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Last time I checked, they didn't charge me to play there.
Semp
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Like the title says WW1 should be free, HTC has nothing to lose and everthing to gain, it will add numbers to the arena and potentially add subscribers.
Clever idea. Hopefully there would be more subscribers willing to help the new guys then too. Can't think of a better place for that. +1
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Clever idea. Hopefully there would be more subscribers willing to help the new guys then too. Can't think of a better place for that. +1
How about ... limiting FREE play to JUST ONE AIRCRAFT TYPE (DR 1) and dumping some AH advertising on the freebies when they log in ... a short film of action in the MA ... and a special offer of some sort.
There would probably be plenty of interest by PAYING members in helping noobs with alternative landings instruction ...
:D
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Well, a two week trial may not be enough to get a casual new player relatively proficient and hooked on the game.
Use an already existing, little used resource so that they can spend more time learning how to fly, basic maneuvers, gunnery.
Gets them on the log in page frequently, where they can see and get curious about all the other action, throw in some advertising in the arena, and once they have had some fun with the basic biplanes, they may decide to step it up and subscribe for some WW2 action.
Sounds like it could be relatively cheap and cost effective.
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Last time I checked, they didn't charge me to play there.
Semp
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It is free. It comes free with any subscription. Just like special events arenas, the DA, the TA, the LWA, the MWA, etc....
All the arenas are free. You're just paying for the access point (for it to recognize your login) and after that you can do anything you like for free.
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It is free. It comes free with any subscription. Just like special events arenas, the DA, the TA, the LWA, the MWA, etc....
All the arenas are free. You're just paying for the access point (for it to recognize your login) and after that you can do anything you like for free.
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:rofl
It is free. It comes free with any subscription. Just like special events arenas, the DA, the TA, the LWA, the MWA, etc....
All the arenas are free. You're just paying for the access point (for it to recognize your login) and after that you can do anything you like for free.
Absoultely fascinating, the workings of a subscription there ladys and gentlemen, glad you cleared that one up. :bhead
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The only thing it will cost is letting a player whos 2 week trial has expired entry to the WW1 dogfight arena, you don't get more of a basic setup than the WW1 arena at the minute with only 4 planes.
The basics are easy to pick up from the off, but hard to master, perfect for newcomers to the game!
The WW1 arena was like crack when it was buzzing, very addictive gameplay.
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It is free. It comes free with any subscription...
Words fail me.
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+1
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It is free.
Is that so? I'd like to know why i still gotta pay.
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Come on perv the game is free to download, you get two weeks free and you want to let these people ruin the peaceful WW1 arena???
I won't be able to hear the crickets chirp due to the sound of those fokkers and camels tearing it up.
Nothing to lose really get people in the door, let unfortunate peeps still able to fly if they can't afford a subscription any longer. Eventually they will want more and understand the basics of flight and turn fighting. It might make for some confident aggressive types to populate the MA.
As long as they don't start asking for new planes or maps then its ok. I think US ranger did a new map anyway. :D
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semp
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+1 Furthermore they burn much less cyber fuel and ammo in WW1 :rofl
It will be the home of the Noob Baron, may be pretty lively in there too for a change.
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Come on perv the game is free to download, you get two weeks free and you want to let these people ruin the peaceful WW1 arena???
I won't be able to hear the crickets chirp due to the sound of those fokkers and camels tearing it up.
Nothing to lose really get people in the door, let unfortunate peeps still able to fly if they can't afford a subscription any longer. Eventually they will want more and understand the basics of flight and turn fighting. It might make for some confident aggressive types to populate the MA.
As long as they don't start asking for new planes or maps then its ok. I think US ranger did a new map anyway. :D
:rofl :aok
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+1 Good wish.
Coogan
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+1
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the other big plus point is getting controllers setup for flight. Yes people can go offline and do it with some research but the average noob just won't do that. They want to be gunning down some red guy and be a fighter pilot hero!
They will sign up, go rushing into the main arena and then ask country "how do I turn my engine on" (insert alt+f4 jokes) and waste their free trial and won't look back thinking that game sucks too complicated, not going to pay for that :bhead
Go to the training arena and it might just be empty at 2am East coast. As a community romper room of sorts it would at least provide a much bigger hook IMO.
I would even go in there if it had 20+ people because I enjoy the different style of combat and people would then be able to help some of the free loaders with controller setup.
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Come on perv the game is free to download, you get two weeks free and you want to let these people ruin the peaceful WW1 arena???
I won't be able to hear the crickets chirp due to the sound of those fokkers and camels tearing it up.
Nothing to lose really get people in the door, let unfortunate peeps still able to fly if they can't afford a subscription any longer. Eventually they will want more and understand the basics of flight and turn fighting. It might make for some confident aggressive types to populate the MA.
As long as they don't start asking for new planes or maps then its ok. I think US ranger did a new map anyway. :D
This ^
I would still be concerned about what type of example it lays down for someone that thinks about how the MA is, but has not flown in it yet
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All it needs is the odd conversation.
"have you checked out WW2?? dam those spitfires sure are sexy"
"oh but you need dollar to fly those beautiful planes"
* away from desk
"MUMMMMMM!!!?? can I have your credit card details "
Hitech<--- " There goes another one, kerching."
TBH you wouldn't want to know what MA gameplay entails with no flying experience. (Ho, Horde, Gang, Vulch) etc until you can understand a bit more. You just can't grasp all of what goes in 2 weeks unless you had a personal trainer explaining everything that is happening.
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All it needs is the odd conversation.
"have you checked out WW2?? dam those spitfires sure are sexy"
"oh but you need dollar to fly those beautiful planes"
* away from desk
"MUMMMMMM!!!?? can I have your credit card details "
Hitech<--- " There goes another one, kerching."
I can totally agree!!! But marketing doesnt work that way.
Thats a perfect scenario, which I would love to see.
It's certainly possible, but this game is hard to get into. There is very little instant gratifcation starting out. As a new player you are going to get hacked from the sky like it is your job. probably by you ;) The WW1 arena only exasperates this problem.
I agree with you, but theres a piece missing,and I dont know what it is.
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ok look at it this way MK-84,
I learn't the hard way as i'm sure everyone else did and you are going to end up having the cream rising to the top.
At the moment the choice is 2 weeks in the shark pool. Then pay $15 to get shot down.
With a F2P alternative you will have new players in the same arena fighting and sucking together. Until someone wants more of a challenge will they seek to cough up the money to play against the big boys.
The only issue I see is with veterans going in there just to bully them like pervert. I would see that as a challenge and strive to put the fox down and learn alot in the process.
So you either have some sort of rank/ kill limiter or just roll with the punches.
Either way you win because an empty WW1 arena would get transformed into people fighting and having aerial combat. What would be interesting is how many fighter pilots would stop their sub and fly ww1 if the fights were that good. If it got that popular just limit the arena to 50 people.
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I totally agree with you, except for how it relates to the MA expierence.
However can not disagree with what you said at all.
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At the moment the choice is 2 weeks in the shark pool. Then pay $15 to get shot down. With a F2P alternative you will have new players in the same arena fighting and sucking together.
YEP ... just something to do online with their cool new computer FOR FREE. Most of them will be addicted gamers, with previous online experience, maybe some flight sim time. SOME of them are going to say "Hey! I LIKE THIS." and maybe they'll have a LITTLE better idea what's what, when they grab the 2 free weeks in the rest of the game. Some of THOSE players WILL subscribe.
The only issue I see is with veterans going in there just to bully them like pervert. I would see that as a challenge and strive to put the fox down and learn alot in the process.
Yeah ... Easy Noob Kills WILL attract some potential RED BARONS, but the person who is going to enjoy this game and subscribe is the guy who looks at them and sees what CAN BE DONE ... So they COULD/WOULD serve a positive function. Those who manage to learn enough to cope with the vultures are REAL LIKELY to get hooked into a subscription.
Either way you win because an empty WW1 arena would get transformed into people fighting and having aerial combat.
Should be a GOOD thing!
:aok
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Would also overcome the empty arena syndrome for the normal subscribers.
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imagine the marketing GIF in some websites "play aces high 2, world war I for free!"
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WTF! Aces High has a WWI arena?
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paying subscribers get ww1 arena for free and normally there's no one there. but some guy just off the street is supposed to get excited because they can fly ww1 airplanes?
semp
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paying subscribers get ww1 arena for free and normally there's no one there. but some guy just off the street is supposed to get excited because they can fly ww1 airplanes?
semp
I could use the same reasoning to say that no 'guy off the street' will ever play Aces High, seriously semp are you this much of a moron? Looking through your recent posts I'm gonna have to say your just a moron in general. Your posts lack any sort of reasoning beyond your own narrow minded opinion. :rofl
Can you understand the reasoning that HTC have absolutely nothing to lose in doing this, then tell me the negative implications of an idea like this? If you can't do that and your only talent is to state the obvious so stop making a fool of yourself here. ;)
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I could use the same reasoning to say that no 'guy off the street' will ever play Aces High, seriously semp are you this much of a moron? Looking through your recent posts I'm gonna have to say your just a moron in general. Your posts lack any sort of reasoning beyond your own narrow minded opinion. :rofl
Can you understand the reasoning that HTC have absolutely nothing to lose in doing this, then tell me the negative implications of an idea like this? If you can't do that and your only talent is to state the obvious so stop making a fool of yourself here. ;)
sorry but you dont have to convince me, try convincing ht themselves. so what I think of your idea will not get it implemented or rejected. perhaps you are the moron that thinks if I agree with you then ht will implement it. and yes i maybe a moron, but I am not stupid. giving some free acess will turn this game into wot type of paying. It's "free" for most, but the paying customers will need to pay more to make up the difference. and since I will still be a paying customer then it's in my best interest to not let this happen as it will increase my cost.
let ah do marketing as they see fit. I am pretty sure they have considered this and everything that has been "proposed". and I am pretty sure they have a reason for not wanting to do it.
Hitech has created two companies and this one is not doing too bad considering that we are still in a recession. this is the main reason why we have less players than 3 or 4 years ago. every month i hear players have to quit the game not because they dont want to but because they dont have the money to play. and when they have the money they come back.
:salute
semp
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See Rule #4
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That is what the wishlist forum is for and thats what I am trying to do in this post.
Thats also true, unlike you I don't mind people having a different opinion to mine, and if they use some form of reasoning they may be able to actually change my mind. In your case you only needed to make one post in here, your first one. If you are just going to keep repeating your opinion without any sort of realistic argument, then what that means is one of two things...
1. Your stupid.
2. You dislike others having an opinion that differs to yours and try to influence that by repeating yourself, perhaps you think of yourself as a big shot who's opinion carries weight around here? Furthur evidence of that might be found in your signature perhaps? Or in this quote maybe?
mo·ron
[mawr-on, mohr-] Show IPA
noun
1.
Informal . a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. :bhead
Am I a bad influence on Hitech? Do you need to come in to any thread you don't like and protect him from me warping his mind? Why are are you here then voicing your opinion if you think hes doing a good job and knows what hes talking about?? :bhead
I didn't mention anything in my wish about a WOT style of payment, thats just an assumption you've made that hasn't in reality even happened, has it?
so you expect people to respect the fact that you have a disagreement, but dont want anybody else to think different than you. and if they do then you insult them. if you want your ideas respected then stop insulting others, you lose some support for your ideas because you resort to insulting when somebody disagrees with you. that is childish behavior on your part. you try to bully others into either go away or agreeing with you.
as for you not mentioning wot style of payment, perhaps you arent reading this thread where you are proposing that ww1 arena be free. who do you think it's going to pay for those people who play for free?
:salute
semp
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Last time I checked, they didn't charge me to play there.
Semp
paying subscribers get ww1 arena for free and normally there's no one there. but some guy just off the street is supposed to get excited because they can fly ww1 airplanes?
semp
You haven't even bothered to read or debate any of the points anyone has posted, this is your contribution to this thread before you were called out on it. This is just you stating your opinion, you haven't attempted to argue any points with any other posters in this thread.
If a WOT style of payment was your concern then why not mention it in your first 2 posts? The second post there just looks like you think WW1 is rubbish so the idea must be rubbish, again just your opinion some of us like WW1.
so you expect people to respect the fact that you have a disagreement, but don't want anybody else to think different than you. and if they do then you insult them. if you want your ideas respected then stop insulting others, you lose some support for your ideas because you resort to insulting when somebody disagrees with you. that is childish behavior on your part. you try to bully others into either go away or agreeing with you.
as for you not mentioning wot style of payment, perhaps you arent reading this thread where you are proposing that ww1 arena be free. who do you think it's going to pay for those people who play for free?
:salute
semp
I don't think its childish at all its long overdue imo, so don't give me the old perverts bullying me rubbish.
I have no problem with your opinion, I have a problem with you repeatedly jumping in here and making statements just because you don't like it every few days without adding any pros or cons of an argument, or even bothering to read anyone elses post or debate them.
The WW1 arena needs numbers a fact I'm sure you can agree with, so considering it is empty as it is as a paying subscriber what have you got to lose? Nothing, it was empty anyway. You might however gain new subscribers to the game by letting people play in an empty arena. Its win win.
you want to listen to music do what the rest of us do. go to youtube or simply just play them on your computer. there's probably more people who play in the ww1 arena than people who will listen to the 1940's music while flying. and listening or not HT still has to pay to play the music.
semp
you can put any plane you want in the ma. but it doesnt mean people are going to use it more than let's say the ww1 arena. a fricking goon as more firepower in the ma than them ww1 planes.
semp
ww1 deja vu :noid.
semp
HT has indicated in a couple of other threads that options are up to the h2h host. so I guess things like icons, wind, limit planeset to goons will be up to the host. I am pretty sure there will be a list of public servers and some others that will be listed but will be by invite only. just be aware most likely you won be able to have sharks with fricking lazer beams attached to their heads. so that pony with 10 cannons most likely will not be possible.
aces high h2h will not be any different that all the others, when it comes to providing a list. I have never played nor I have intention to play unless there's a squad thingy going on. I just hope it doesnt go the way of the ww1 arena.
semp
guys give it up, guys that play this game dont really care to go there (and that sucks) what makes you think that some noobs are gonna log a ww1 arena just because it is free.
semp
Only way you going to have more people in the ww1 arena is if you offer free video cards or maybe add sheep there.
Semp
So you don't have a dim view on WW1? :rofl
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i see your replies are full of pros and cons
Your the Saitek of the Aces High world :rofl
You probably won't like this answer but get a better stick, that means not a Saitek. :salute
:rofl
Absoultely fascinating, the workings of a subscription there ladys and gentlemen, glad you cleared that one up. :bhead
oh and here's the full quote on what you quoted me on.
everytime somebody sings happy birthday on tv or the movies they have to pay royalties. even when you sing at a private party you're supposed to send a royalty payment. and that song is from the what mid 1800's copyrighted in 1934, and the copyright will last until at least 2030? and oh yeah the few bucks here and there brings in 2 million bucks a year.
you want to listen to music do what the rest of us do. go to youtube or simply just play them on your computer. there's probably more people who play in the ww1 arena than people who will listen to the 1940's music while flying. and listening or not HT still has to pay to play the music.
semp
semp
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Hooray!! I'm glad you find them useless, now can you draw a parallel here I wonder.....
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t's "free" for most, but the paying customers will need to pay more to make up the difference. and since I will still be a paying customer then it's in my best interest to not let this happen as it will increase my cost.
actually no it would not raise costs if anything it would bring them down you see in the WWI Arena how it says 0/150 or 3/100 or 10/50
that means there is server space already set aside to handle more players(just no one joins) so you "the customer" are already paying for that space this is a form of putting it to use so you have free players who join and decide"hey this game is pretty good they model these planes nicely with great attention to detail i wanna check out the rest of the planes these guys from the other arenas talk about" end result paying customer who doesn't shoot at green people
there for you get more people doing that more payers=lower cost
lower cost=more join
more join=fuller arenas
but no matter how you look at it the server space is already set aside and not being used...its like opening a beer and not drinking it or making coffee and letting it burn might as well get a cup out of it? this would put the already devoted resources to use
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Back on topic...
The concept of the post is to take a essentially unused arena, and provide a gateway (by making if free) towards paying subscribers.
Pros:
More players in WW1, many current subscribers would love to fly here, but there is a lack of someone to fight. This might solve that.
As Bruv stated, it allows interaction from a prospective AHaddict, with individuals who are passionate about the game. This could convince them to join. (as previously discussed in the post)
More people joining (because, hey! its free) equates to more discussion, which generates more interest, which could make AH more relevant, and prominent in the gaming world. (in terms of relevence in advertising) (think google search)
Any advertising is a numbers game. Period. People like free. Period. This is a relatively low cost solution for advertisement. As a numbers game some will choose not too join, but some will. It would be impossible to not see lift in subscribers from sheer statics. (whether this is financially viable, or interferes with other marketing is a separate issue)
*Rant warning*
...As a personal Pro:, I am so (excuse the grammer ;) crap excited about flight, that I would go out of my way by far to promote AH as it serves as a fantastic outlet for my passion of flying. I can't afford to pilot a fighter plane, but I'll be dammed if I can't get as close to it as I can. (I flew in a cessna 152 once, for a half hour, and I was instantly hooked) How would I not want to let others experience a entirely different level of gaming? (niche audience, rather than mass marketed i.e. MW3, or whatever that World of Airplan...who cares...
Cons:
There is no way that a free subscriber to WW1 online arena will get a realistic representation of what actual gameplay is like.
As bruv stated, and I believe in, many players will welcome new players and want to get them excited about the game! But alot will not as well. It's an online game...(squeekers, noobs, newbs, nubs, Ho'ers, vulchers, pickers, alt monkeys, runners, spit dweebs, runstangs, lgays. etc.) I would be concerned in what environment a free player is getting into, which...
...as a result may turn off alot of people since this is not by any means a game that one can get "good" at easily. (that's one of it's charms) but in terms of recruitment it is likely not.
It might just cost something to host more players for free?
It may dissuade current subscribers and cause the issue of..."But I PAY FOR THIS, WHY DON'T THEY"! I would like to think that wont be an issue, but I believe it will. (Remember every country hordes, and gangs up, but your's of course does not)
If HTC allows one online aspect for free...then other stuff should be free too! ^(like the above post)
I still believe this to be a "niche game" but there are thousands of people that want to play, but haven't heard of us. After rethinking, I'm not certain WW1 should be free, but that the solution to more players lies on a much more local level.
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who do you think it's going to pay for those people who play for free?
I guess the premium Photobucket and Fraps account holders are pissed at the rest of us who use the free version?
HTC and us by extension are already paying for it and it sees little use. I guess we are paying for all the 2 week trials and non-subscribers offline play as well.
How much different is it to let non-subscribers have this one small portion of the game. They get an extended taste of online air combat, and every time they log in they see everything else there is to offer.
I'm not qualified to say how many subscribers it will bring in, but there is some sound reasoning behind the idea.
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HTC and us by extension are already paying for it and it sees little use. You think our subscription rate has to go up or something if this is done?
Let players have this one small portion of the game for free. They get an extended taste of online air combat, and every time they log in they see everything else there is to offer.
I'm not qualified to say how good an idea it is, but there is some sound reasoning behind it.
With what you are posting about, "they" do NOT see everything AH has to offer. They would see offline and online in our currently fairly unused WWI arena.
Every other experience they would receive would be anecdotal from other pilots, whom may or may not be subscribers.
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Ah, didn't get my edit in before you quoted it.
"They" get to see the log in screen every time they play and see all the other arenas available to subscribers.
They see hundreds in the MA daily and in the SEA on Friday night and start thinking "I gotta try that."
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Semp, your New Year's resolution is that you have to make a positive comment about at least three wishlist posts this year. Later we'll work on the art of smiling without cracking ones face. :old:
Of course HTC can't & won't think of everything. What a fantastic resource the Wishlist forum is for them. This is a clever idea to make use of a resource which is currently underused in a win win way.
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Ah, didn't get my edit in before you quoted it.
"They" get to see the log in screen every time they play and see all the other arenas available to subscribers.
They see hundreds in the MA daily and in the SEA on Friday night and start thinking "I gotta try that."
Which does not change anything per my last post.
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Which does not change anything per my last post.
I'll stand on it though. There is a reason a lot of companies have a basic service and a premium service.
Basic gets them in and constantly reminds them there is more available for an additional fee.
Whether it's a good idea in this particular case, I don't know, but it seems to be a proven business model.
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this is a response from the other thread.
semp
While the concept of offering something free to bait the hook is not new in game marketing, the devil is in the details.
Limited plane set arenas at a different price has been tried before. The issue is that it does not integrate the new players into the same world as the paying players. Players form bonds / friends in the free arena and moving to the pay arena is not worth the loss of those friends.
Hence you almost completely cut off your influx of new players into the paying arena.
HiTech
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Semp, your New Year's resolution is that you have to make a positive comment about at least three wishlist posts this year. Later we'll work on the art of smiling without cracking ones face. :old:
Of course HTC can't & won't think of everything. What a fantastic resource the Wishlist forum is for them. This is a clever idea to make use of a resource which is currently underused in a win win way.
ok. btw this counts as one.
semp
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this is a response from the other thread.
semp
That took you a whole 2 seconds to quote, it is similar but not the same, in this threads case the players do not have access to the WW2 planeset which is the mainstay of Aces High, and the problem of the largely empty arena in WW1 still remains for the paying customer.
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On balance I am not convinced that a free WW1 arena will do anything for AH or HTC other than produce a specialistic WW1 arena for a given clique of players some of which may or may not hold full accounts.
However given the meagre popularity of WW1 now I would agree that HTC has little to lose trying the idea out as an experiment for " an undecided period", with the caveat that the moment trends show ex account holders turning up as free players in WW1 the idea is dumped.
This could be policed out in the main by folk having to sign up for free accounts. Ex account holders of 6 months or less would not qualify.
Shades trying to bend the rules would be(when discovered) ejected permanently until they subscribe to full accounts.
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ok. btw this counts as one.
:lol :banana:
On balance I am not convinced that a free WW1 arena will do anything for AH or HTC other than produce a specialistic WW1 arena for a given clique of players some of which may or may not hold full accounts...
This would happen of course & indeed already happens in the DA for example, but most would consider a full subscription and a percentage would take one who might not even be there otherwise.
And this idea differs from the point which HiTech mentioned in that it potentially addresses two problems in one, the second being the tumbleweed WWI arena. It is a shame that the WWI arena stagnated so quickly because it was clearly a huge amount of work and done very well. Anything to reboot that arena should be tried as clearly there won't be further development or new aircraft if it stays the way it is. Furthermore HTC is unlikely to ever consider something like a Korean war arena with this experience.
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+1 to this wish. :aok