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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on December 30, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
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apparently someone forgot one leeeeeetle detail........
It turns out that Chevrolet let a few Sonics built between June 2 and November 21 leave its factory in Orion Township, Michigan minus a brake pad. General Motors claims that of the 4,873 Sonics built during that time, some 20 to 30 may be missing either an inner or outer front brake pad. The company says 4,296 of the potentially shoe-less Sonics were sent to the U.S., while 577 migrated north to Canadian customers.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/30/2012-chevy-sonic-brake-pad-recall/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl7|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D123924
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amazing that the guys fitting them didnt notice. or their boss. or the QC guys. or the guys who drove em on and off the transporters. or the dealers. :headscratch:
btw that article really underplays this - no braking on one front wheel is about as dangerous a defect as there is. :uhoh
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It says it's missing a pad,inside or outside so the brakes may function somewhat,but you'd thing they'd make a heck of a noise!
I can see this happen,a reliefman covering for a break,a new guy on the job,many different things could have caused this. I once had a stockman mix up the stock on the assembly line,left motor mounts in the right bin,rights in the left.They looked almost the same and were marked with a dab of green paint on the left mount. However the mistake was made and didnt show up until they tried to mount the engine and the bolt were only a half an inch off location.
It all about building those 60 cars an hour! The only things that stop the lines are major things that cant be solved after the fact. There was about 150 engines that needed the swap,they took four guys and tasked them to it while the line continued,3 or 4 cars had to be pulled from the line to have the mounts swapped because they could continue to build that way.
I could tell you alot more but wont,things have changed since then!
:salute
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they wont function somewhat, you will have almost no braking on that wheel! even a single badly worn pad can make a car veer badly under hard braking.
the main problem seems to be people fitting brakes, who dont know how brakes work ... :uhoh
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A missing brake pad on a brand new car will still have plenty of braking..........and noise.
It would easily last long enough for the guy who did the pre-delivery inspection to find or the customer because it will make huge amounts of noise.
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amazing that the guys fitting them didnt notice. or their boss. or the QC guys. or the guys who drove em on and off the transporters. or the dealers. :headscratch:
btw that article really underplays this - no braking on one front wheel is about as dangerous a defect as there is. :uhoh
yea..it doesn't really make sense....there had to be a perfect order of mistakes made for this to get to this point.
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A missing brake pad on a brand new car will still have plenty of braking..........and noise.
It would easily last long enough for the guy who did the pre-delivery inspection to find or the customer because it will make huge amounts of noise.
I've driven plenty of cars missing brake pads.
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I'm not disagreeing with you RT,but was merely pointing out why the problem wasnt discovered before shipping.
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presuming it made it to the dealer, there is absolutely no way it should have made it through pre-delivery inspection, especially considering that they are test driven before the customer gets it. if it had enough braking power, it is pretty much guaranteed that it would make enough noise that the pre-delivery guy would flag it for a check.
i can also see the caliper piston being given enough room to remove itself from the caliper in some instances with a missing pad. this in itself would indeed cause a near total loss of braking power.
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Maybe they were assembled by the guys they found on TV gettin stoned at lunch break, huh??
Is that UAW control and Govt Oversight hard at work??? Oops :bolt:
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It's like I always say 'Chevy Sucks!". :D
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It's like I always say 'Chevy Sucks!". :D
+1.
never really liked the Bowtie, and now I do have a reason to not like. :rock
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Maybe they were assembled by the guys they found on TV gettin stoned at lunch break, huh??
Is that UAW control and Govt Oversight hard at work??? Oops :bolt:
was more than likely more on the order of what morfiend said. the problem is i would think that there was some form of "failsafe" in place to prevent these types of mistakes.
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presuming it made it to the dealer, there is absolutely no way it should have made it through pre-delivery inspection, especially considering that they are test driven before the customer gets it. if it had enough braking power, it is pretty much guaranteed that it would make enough noise that the pre-delivery guy would flag it for a check.
i can also see the caliper piston being given enough room to remove itself from the caliper in some instances with a missing pad. this in itself would indeed cause a near total loss of braking power.
No mention of any of these making it to the customers.
I doubt a piston would fall out unless the rotors had been cut multiple times and the other side pad were low.
This means someone would have to drive the car many thousands of miles.
Not gonna happen.
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I could tell you alot more but wont,things have changed since then!
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:old: "no matter how much things change, they remain the same". To wit: I just received a recall to FIX the previous recall, on my 2010 Dodge 3500. :furious
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was more than likely more on the order of what morfiend said. the problem is i would think that there was some form of "failsafe" in place to prevent these types of mistakes.
Yeah, probably so.. I was just being a wiseacre about that whole mess.. Destruction of a great American institution is a cryin shame..
Now, Govt Motors is the butt of all jokes, with good reason so far.. Combine this with the unknown Volt fires, things aren't looking good over there.. That whole GM/UAW/Govt financial mess, was just a rape of the rightfull stockholders, and (guaranteed by law bondholders), by the Corrupt Govt/Union/Courts/GM management, conspiracy.. I think the company was driven onto the rocks intentionally, so it could be gobbled by the insiders, CHEAP.. The whole thing STINKS FROM HIGH HEAVEN, TO HELLS HALF ACRE! And we are all footin the bill for the biggest ripoff in history!
And that is only touchin the surface..
Sayin any more, will provoke the banstick, so I'll just stop now!
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PAK
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But DAD I Wasent tailgateing!
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But DAD I Wasent tailgateing!
i had a customer years ago, just stand behind his daughter smiling, as i explained abs to her......after she rear ended a van that she "wasn't tailgating".....because she thought abs should keep her from ever hitting anything else.
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Bah, Brakes are overrated. What good is stopping 10 feet shorter than the person behind you? :devil
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was more than likely more on the order of what morfiend said. the problem is i would think that there was some form of "failsafe" in place to prevent these types of mistakes.
Cap,
they actually have those safegaurds inplace but they are humans and not machines so things happen. Maybe the QC guy had a fight with the wife,or the foreman was riding him or his buddy. So many factors come into play!
Once the union called for a crap run,a protest of sorts and most workers missed 1 little part of their job on 1 unit. This had an effect on several 1000 cars as thats how many or in the system.
Another funny but sad thing,a much unliked supervisor was getting a new car,this "bigshot" made the mistake of following his car through the production line. By the time it rolled off the line to do the rolling test they just came with a forklift and took the car out back to scrap!
It had so much wrong with it it was beyond repair or retrofitting! like 14 inch tires on 1 side and 15's on the other,wrong rearend,springs,you name it.
Dentin I blame you,wasnt gonna say this stuff but you reminded me that the more things change the more they stay the same! :noid
:salute
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:lol :lol HOW do you NOT notice the brakes feel ODD!!??
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Cap,
they actually have those safegaurds inplace but they are humans and not machines so things happen. Maybe the QC guy had a fight with the wife,or the foreman was riding him or his buddy. So many factors come into play!yea, i understand mistakes can and do happen.....
Once the union called for a crap run,a protest of sorts and most workers missed 1 little part of their job on 1 unit. This had an effect on several 1000 cars as thats how many or in the system.THIS is criminal. there is no other way to put it.
Another funny but sad thing,a much unliked supervisor was getting a new car,this "bigshot" made the mistake of following his car through the production line. By the time it rolled off the line to do the rolling test they just came with a forklift and took the car out back to scrap!
It had so much wrong with it it was beyond repair or retrofitting! like 14 inch tires on 1 side and 15's on the other,wrong rearend,springs,you name it.
Dentin I blame you,wasnt gonna say this stuff but you reminded me that the more things change the more they stay the same! :noid
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:lol :lol HOW do you NOT notice the brakes feel ODD!!??
or the noise they'd make with either the caliper, or the caliper piston directly in contact with the brake rotor.
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Cap,
How is it criminal to miss tightening a bolt or nut,maybe leaving 1 wire harness connector not plugged it?
This was a form of protest over one issue or another and like it or not how unions work!
Before you start about unions,just be thankful we had them when they were needed.
YMMV
:salute 358...... :noid
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Cap,
How is it criminal to miss tightening a bolt or nut,maybe leaving 1 wire harness connector not plugged it?
This was a form of protest over one issue or another and like it or not how unions work!
Before you start about unions,just be thankful we had them when they were needed.
YMMV
:salute 358...... :noid
i'm not gonna start on them, 'cause it'd be pretty stupid to get my own thread locked. :noid
it is criminal, 'cause it was ordered by a schmuck that probably never even held a wrench in his hand. "forgetting" things during the assembly process can turn deadly real fast.
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Aces High whoops moments.
Brought a goon for a field capture and ended up resupplying enemy gvs when the vh came back up.
Captured a zone base once when the dickweeds were on a strat bombing mission.
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Aces High whoops moments.
Brought a goon for a field capture and ended up resupplying enemy gvs when the vh came back up.
Captured a zone base once when the dickweeds were on a strat bombing mission.
back when i was with the hired guns, we were going for a base. i happened to be the one with the troops. it took the guys a long while to clear the base. then i finally got the call......cap!! get the troops running!!
i then proceeded to drop the supplies one the ground. :noid :rofl
i think lazydog was somewhat pissed off at me, along with 3lips, and the rest of the squad. :bolt:
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amazing that the guys fitting them didnt notice. or their boss. or the QC guys. or the guys who drove em on and off the transporters. or the dealers. :headscratch:
btw that article really underplays this - no braking on one front wheel is about as dangerous a defect as there is. :uhoh
A couple years back we were having some issues with our Chevy Suburban. Now, Chevy brakes are the most insensitive damnable things I've ever had to use. Compared to my Ford, I have to stand on Chevy brakes. It wasn't until I was driving some friends around downtown and came upon an area where it is a... well... a very very steep downhill section @ 35 mph.(I always travel exactly the speed limit when I'm driving other people. I'm paranoid about getting others hurt.)
Came over the hill to find some old lady driving @ 10 mph. Well... with the hill I was literally standing on the brake pedal... and the Suburban couldn't stop. Full brakes, screetch, hands slamming on the horn to get this stupid woman to move out of the way. (Nothing infront of her) And the brakes weren't able to hold the Suburban. Thankfully she got the hint and hit the gas and I didn't end up killing her.
Took it to the shop to discover that... well... for quite some time we had only had 1 functioning brake in our 3 ton Suburban. So if we could miss that for a couple months... I can imagine one or two pads on a tiny little car like that being easy to miss.
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It says it's missing a pad,inside or outside so the brakes may function somewhat,but you'd thing they'd make a heck of a noise!
I can see this happen,a reliefman covering for a break,a new guy on the job,many different things could have caused this. I once had a stockman mix up the stock on the assembly line,left motor mounts in the right bin,rights in the left.They looked almost the same and were marked with a dab of green paint on the left mount. However the mistake was made and didnt show up until they tried to mount the engine and the bolt were only a half an inch off location.
It all about building those 60 cars an hour! The only things that stop the lines are major things that cant be solved after the fact. There was about 150 engines that needed the swap,they took four guys and tasked them to it while the line continued,3 or 4 cars had to be pulled from the line to have the mounts swapped because they could continue to build that way.
I could tell you alot more but wont,things have changed since then!
:salute
The problem is unions. Whoever is responsible for this to happen..... wont lose their job. The unions love guys like that. Gives them a reason for being.
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A couple years back we were having some issues with our Chevy Suburban. Now, Chevy brakes are the most insensitive damnable things I've ever had to use. Compared to my Ford, I have to stand on Chevy brakes. It wasn't until I was driving some friends around downtown and came upon an area where it is a... well... a very very steep downhill section @ 35 mph.(I always travel exactly the speed limit when I'm driving other people. I'm paranoid about getting others hurt.)
Came over the hill to find some old lady driving @ 10 mph. Well... with the hill I was literally standing on the brake pedal... and the Suburban couldn't stop. Full brakes, screetch, hands slamming on the horn to get this stupid woman to move out of the way. (Nothing infront of her) And the brakes weren't able to hold the Suburban. Thankfully she got the hint and hit the gas and I didn't end up killing her.
Took it to the shop to discover that... well... for quite some time we had only had 1 functioning brake in our 3 ton Suburban. So if we could miss that for a couple months... I can imagine one or two pads on a tiny little car like that being easy to miss.
i've never had a suburban with a "heavy" brake pedal. what i've noticed to be somewhat common on the 90's ones a few of mu customers have, is that the pedal is low, and mushy.
when i check the calipers with a pressure gauge, they've got plenty of pressure. the rears are properly adjusted, and lock when "prompted". :devil
even in the rain/snow none of them have any problems, besides the low/mushy feel. it's not THAT mushy though.....just not good and solid feeling like we're used to feeling in most vehicles.
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I tried to toot and made a poop.
edit: oh wait, this wasn't a "post your whoops moment" thread. :uhoh
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i've never had a suburban with a "heavy" brake pedal. what i've noticed to be somewhat common on the 90's ones a few of mu customers have, is that the pedal is low, and mushy.
when i check the calipers with a pressure gauge, they've got plenty of pressure. the rears are properly adjusted, and lock when "prompted". :devil
even in the rain/snow none of them have any problems, besides the low/mushy feel. it's not THAT mushy though.....just not good and solid feeling like we're used to feeling in most vehicles.
Yes I used to HATE the mushy brakes in those rear drum chevy trucks. The best thing they ever did was switch to four wheel disc (and then switched back to drum later on LOL!)
Every drive a mid/late 90's S10 Blazer? The ones with 4 wheel disc stopped so much better than the ones with rear drum. The difference was like night and day! Also you could always tell when those blazers tires were low... at 30 psi they cornered like a bunch of mexicans were stuffed in each wheel well. At 35 they cornered very nice - at least the ones without bad idler arms did!
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Yes I used to HATE the mushy brakes in those rear drum chevy trucks. The best thing they ever did was switch to four wheel disc (and then switched back to drum later on LOL!)
Every drive a mid/late 90's S10 Blazer? The ones with 4 wheel disc stopped so much better than the ones with rear drum. The difference was like night and day! Also you could always tell when those blazers tires were low... at 30 psi they cornered like a bunch of mexicans were stuffed in each wheel well. At 35 they cornered very nice - at least the ones without bad idler arms did!
yea, i remember them. i've actually got an s10 i'm about to put up for sale....it's a pickup though.
the drum/disc stop decent enough when they're unloaded, and when it's your "average joe" driving them. but yea.....when someone that really drives them gets behind the wheel, it's night and day.
i never understood why they went back to the disc/drum on the suburbans. must've been a union thing. :noid