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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: earl1937 on December 31, 2011, 06:10:11 PM
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Aces High, if you are paying attention, you are killing the game with the 262's! Either price them much higher or restrict to 163 bases. No 262 ever shot down a aircraft outside of Germany! How can you allow them to fly over the water area's in the arena's? I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
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then u would have e someoen complain about some other plane or gv that isnt where it should be
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I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
And that's where you are wrong.
Just for the record, did you also note that P-51's are shooting down Lancasters and B-24's are bombing US CV's? If you disable 262 because "they never did fly over water", you will have to disable about any and all things happening in the arena ;)
Oh, and in which way are 262's killing the game? After all, the 262 is trying to do that for many many years now. You just happened to be shot down by one?
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Looks like someone just got :ahand by a 262 :D
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Aces High, if you are paying attention, you are killing the game with the 262's! Either price them much higher or restrict to 163 bases. No 262 ever shot down a aircraft outside of Germany! How can you allow them to fly over the water area's in the arena's? I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
Someone got drunk on new year's eve. Welcome to Aces High, do you want me to fly straight and 200mph?
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I think you are missing the point earl. There is no way to "reenact" historical missions, or use of aircraft, in the main arenas... and there is only ONE map I can think of that is based on actual real world terrain that is used in the MA's. In short... the main arenas are not based on anything historical except the aircraft and vehicles themselves. Its a free for all.
If you want to see 262's used in their "historical" settings... or anything else done that way, I suggest you set your squad up in FSO. Three Fridays a month. Registered Squads only. Historical Maps... Missions... & Plane-sets. 300 players split into Axis and Allied... with assigned objectives for every squad. If you want to give it a try... let me know. Be glad to let you fly with our squad one night to see what you think. If you like it... (and it sounds like you will)... then turn your whole squad on to it.
To me... FSO is the high point of Aces High. :salute
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This post isn't even worth a post, yet here I am LMAO at the whine :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
(for the second time :D)
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Oh my lanta...you are a bigger whiner then me! Go back to your hole and cry about 262's shooting you down. There not hard to avoid.
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Oh my lanta...you are a bigger whiner then me! Go back to your hole and cry about 262's shooting you down. There not hard to avoid.
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I think he's probably flying bombers mostly... in that case they are hard to avoid, unless you fly very high.
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I think he's probably flying bombers mostly... in that case they are hard to avoid, unless you fly very high.
Bombers are my favorite when an enemy 262 is present...they are tempted to kill you...shoot back make them pay for it! :aok
If your in a fighter turn into the attacker grow his aim and his timing off. :aok :airplane:
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Other than the ground, b bomber formation is by far the greatest threat to me in a 262
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Happy New Year
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turn
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I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
Where did you read this?
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People who run from a co-alt 1v1 and jump in after 6 of his buddies show up are the ones ruining the game, not 262's.
Please people, at least attempt to fight. I love the intense dogfights in this game. Even if you die embarrassingly, you will learn something new and can then use that experience you learned in the next fight. You can improve, and then you can out fight zekes and spits with P-38s and 190s. Trust me, it's a lot of fun to get into a fight against a superior plane and coming out victorious. :D
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can we say "call the waaaaaaambulance" :t
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People who run from a co-alt 1v1 and jump in after 6 of his buddies show up are the ones ruining the game, not 262's.
Please people, at least attempt to fight. I love the intense dogfights in this game. Even if you die embarrassingly, you will learn something new and can then use that experience you learned in the next fight. You can improve, and then you can out fight zekes and spits with P-38s and 190s. Trust me, it's a lot of fun to get into a fight against a superior plane and coming out victorious. :D
Lateobe gets it. :aok :)
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as per your request.
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:noid :noid Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha hahahahahaha...262 got you! :devil :noid
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Slight hijack but...
Years ago I read an account of a pilot flying the Me-262 that had anti-air rockets. The pilot recounts targeting a B-26, loosing a volley of these small rockets, the B-26 disappears in a ball of flame and he is chased out of the area by escorts. I do not remember the rockets but where struck they were smaller then those we carry on the Fw-190 and Me-110.
The beauty of Aces High boards is people much smarter then I can solve this great mystery. Not that I am a rabid 262 stick but if this bird had small rockets, why is Skuzzy slack'n on us?! :D What say ye about this ubber 262 mod?
Boo
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I do not remember the rockets but where struck they were smaller then those we carry on the Fw-190 and Me-110.
R4M rockets; they flew out in front almost like a shotgun effect. Very effective, much better than the WGr weapons the 110s carry in AH.
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(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW/Me262-R4M-34.jpg)
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R4M rockets; they flew out in front almost like a shotgun effect. Very effective, much better than the WGr weapons the 110s carry in AH.
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(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW/Me262-R4M-34.jpg)
I would quit being a bomber pilot if the me262 ever got those.
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That's them!!
Ok, now for the techno geeks amongst us. Would not the mount of these rockets disrupt airflow over the wings and either reduce lift or cause significant drag and reduce speed...does anyone know definitive answers?
Thanks in advance.
Boo
PS These wouldn't change the game too much. From what I understand they were fired as a volley, not one at a time. Most players currently do not have the skill to shoot those 30mms, they stand very little chance of shooting these rockets. And those who can shoot 30mms are going to kill your buff anyway, does it matter how they kill you?
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262's should be eny 2 like the b-29 so you get paid when you shoot one down :airplane:
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That's them!!
Ok, now for the techno geeks amongst us. Would not the mount of these rockets disrupt airflow over the wings and either reduce lift or cause significant drag and reduce speed...does anyone know definitive answers?
Thanks in advance.
Boo
PS These wouldn't change the game too much. From what I understand they were fired as a volley, not one at a time. Most players currently do not have the skill to shoot those 30mms, they stand very little chance of shooting these rockets. And those who can shoot 30mms are going to kill your buff anyway, does it matter how they kill you?
From what I have read no it did not affect performance of the 262 greatly.
In fact most 262 bomber kills in real life took place with the use of these rockets 30mm cannon was just a back up after the inclusion of these.
http://www.stormbirds.net/tech_r4m_rocket.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21734563@N04/2113721262/in/photostream/
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I just finished a book called The German Aces Speak bye Colin Heaton and Anne-Marie Lewis, Krupinski talks about the rockets and that it was a 25-30mph difference in speed vs the clean configuration on the 262.
He states they would be able to fire these rockets from outside the 50cals effective range and one sortie with Galland he took out 2 B26s on one pass.
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He states they would be able to fire these rockets from outside the 50cals effective range
If memory serves, a few German pilots stated they had similar flight paths to the 30mm rounds so they could use their gun sights for the rockets. Historically, these rockets didn't have a great impact because of the sheer numbers the Luftwaffe faced. It would be game changer in AH, particularly if the R4Ms were able to be carried by other aircraft, as some were given to ground attack units.
I'm not a Luftwaffe guy, apologies to all if I am incorrect.
edit: Really deadly weapon, I can't even imagine the horror of being stuck in a bomber and almost helpless against these things.
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Wow!! So much for your WHINE!!
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Aces High, if you are paying attention, you are killing the game with the 262's! Either price them much higher or restrict to 163 bases. No 262 ever shot down a aircraft outside of Germany! How can you allow them to fly over the water area's in the arena's? I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
AvA is for you :aok
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You know what really sucks ? 2 262's and of corse you never see the one that kills ya :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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Looks like everyone jumped all over this one. :( The counter is a 262 escort and some 47Ms high over formation. Chasing the 262 too far is not effective as it will just run in circles back to the bombers. Chase them away and then climb back over formation would probably be more effective. Makes them think twice about attacking the bombers anyway.
Infidelz.
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I have killed 3 262's this month, it's quite fun....
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I think he's probably flying bombers mostly... in that case they are hard to avoid, unless you fly very high.
I tend to disagree. So long as the jet is flying fast, you dive, or pull up, or even rudder and you avoid the jet easily.
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I tend to disagree. So long as the jet is flying fast, you dive, or pull up, or even rudder and you avoid the jet easily.
I had a few guys trying that on me yesterday ;)
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262s are dangerous, but not unbeatable. It does not take too many .50 cal hits from bomber guns to send them home with engines smoking, and if you manage to aim for the cockpit and PW a guy it is priceless.
A lot of guys bring them in to goon hunt down low vs a horde - this works until you show up in something that dives like the devil and is still controllable at 500mph (like a Yak or a C205) - bring it in high over the goon and wait for him to make his run. Better yet, bring your own 262 and get into some jet vs jet fun.
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I was in a P51 B and had a guy in a 262 try to dog fight me. It was just a matter of avoiding his attacks and dragging him low til his E bled off then putting enough rounds in him to get the kill. Probably took me a good 15-20 mins but when he tried to turn fight that was all it took.
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I killed me a P51B the other day in my 262... He kept trying to spoil my shots with last second manuvers, so on my final pass I throttled back and let out a notch of flaps anticipating his manuver, then let a 2 second burst of 30mm fly as he fell out of the sky missing his wing and tail.
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It's harder to avoid the collision than actually shooting someone down. :rolleyes:
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This thread needs more ponies.
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Yet one more thing you are totally wrong about. :rolleyes:
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nothing to cry about with the 262 - just break and evade. If you got shot down, its because you had poor SA.
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nothing to cry about with the 262 - just break and evade. If you got shot down, its because you had poor SA.
Usually, most of my kills in a 262...the other guy either never saw it, or saw it way too late.
Although I wouldnt say break and evade always works...carefull that 262 could be snail, grizz, moot, drbone...and many others
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I lost bet with Rain000 on a football game. The loser had to auger a 262 on purpose.
It was actually a lot of fun, gathered some squaddies and fellow bish to witness the event.
A good time was had by all. BTW the same bet is on again for this year.
500+ into the tower :lol I was trying to just clip a wing and spiral into the mountainside :lol
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I lost bet with Rain000 on a football game. The loser had to auger a 262 on purpose.
It was actually a lot of fun, gathered some squaddies and fellow bish to witness the event.
A good time was had by all. BTW the same bet is on again for this year.
500+ into the tower :lol I was trying to just clip a wing and spiral into the mountainside :lol
Waldo, you are obviously new at the whole 'auger a 262' thing. That is my standard flight envelope. Right before it we have moments of tunnel vision, followed by compression stall then the biggey...sad, I haven't had quite the audience you have. Maybe mine is just too boring.
Boo
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Other than the ground, b bomber formation is by far the greatest threat to me in a 262
Yes....MINE!!! Muah, muah ha ha ha ha...I have yet to lose a formation to a 262 and I must say that JUGgler is one who can vouch for that...I have sent every 262 that has Pounced on my Formation home trailing a plume of black smoke and harsh words no doubt said in the cockpit...but <S> for the effort guys!
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I lost bet with Rain000 on a football game. The loser had to auger a 262 on purpose.
It was actually a lot of fun, gathered some squaddies and fellow bish to witness the event.
A good time was had by all. BTW the same bet is on again for this year.
500+ into the tower :lol I was trying to just clip a wing and spiral into the mountainside :lol
need vids next time please :x
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Aces High, if you are paying attention, you are killing the game with the 262's! Either price them much higher or restrict to 163 bases. No 262 ever shot down a aircraft outside of Germany! How can you allow them to fly over the water area's in the arena's? I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
*chalks* :devil
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Aces High, if you are paying attention, you are killing the game with the 262's! Either price them much higher or restrict to 163 bases. No 262 ever shot down a aircraft outside of Germany! How can you allow them to fly over the water area's in the arena's? I thought this game was supposed to be based on factual combat conditions in WW2!
Better wear a life jacket.
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Chased down a flight of 28k B-29's today in a 262. Lots of fun trying to get up there and get into position for an attack. Managed to kill all 3 B-29's, but the fun part was flying it that high, and trying to keep up the the B-29's.
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:noid :x :noid :x :noid
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I checked my 262 stats.
47 out of 118 aircraft destroyed were bomber/attack, or true bomber, lancs were the hardest hit.
I was shot down 9 times, :( 4 of them were from bombers (including...uh.. :uhoh a C47)
Whats more interesting is that I very much recognize 5 of the pilots that pwned me. I recognize them because they (I would assume) be considered veteran pilots?
I'm going to wager a guess that the people that complain are the same ones that form the congo line behind every 262, with no hope of actually catching it.
And the people that shoot it down...I would think they take advantage of a mistake, and make it their advantage, or specifically stalk one, which might require the better part of an hour.
And for everyone else that got pwned by one, and endlessly chases it assuming...err what? that'll magically slow down and present itself in your sights? They're fast, but not uber. Look at your map, figure out where they're going to land, head there and vulch em. or put yourself way above em, and wait till they get sloppy going for a low alt buff kill.
They are not uber, as is true with every other aircraft. Sometime you have to PLAN an attack as opposed to just turning and burnin.