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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: PAKFRONT on January 02, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
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My motherboard has Dual Gig Lan option and a built in controller.. Was wondering if anyone uses this feature, and if it actually helps FR/Connectivity?
If any further outside connections, (like complete separate modem and signal source) are needed? My mobo manual is a bit vague..
And I used search, lots of LAN entries, lots of DUAL entries, but no Dual Lan entries..
Is it worth it?
Thx <S>
PAK
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No. You're not going to come close to maximum bandwidth of 1 Gbit.
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1,000,000,000 bits per second = Gigabit
12,000,000 bits per second = What your cable/dsl provider typically offers
Now bear in mind that internet subscribers typically get about 10% of the bandwidth they've been sold and it's pretty clear to see how well a dual gigabit lan port will not make a difference when you are sending/receiving data from the internet.
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My motherboard has Dual Gig Lan option and a built in controller.. Was wondering if anyone uses this feature, and if it actually helps FR/Connectivity?
If any further outside connections, (like complete separate modem and signal source) are needed? My mobo manual is a bit vague..
And I used search, lots of LAN entries, lots of DUAL entries, but no Dual Lan entries..
Is it worth it?
Thx <S>
PAK
I have dual LAN connections that can be bound. When I did it caused my AR234's to disco every time I dropped bombs. It took me 60-70 bombers and countless hours of testing before I figured out I needed to unbind the LAN connections and disable one of them.
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So far sounds like its not worth the trouble.. BE, did you have two signal sources, or 2 feeds from a router with only one source? Was there a dif in FR, Just curious?
Thx for the replies..
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1,000,000,000 bits per second = Gigabit
12,000,000 bits per second = What your cable/dsl provider typically offers
Now bear in mind that internet subscribers typically get about 10% of the bandwidth they've been sold and it's pretty clear to see how well a dual gigabit lan port will not make a difference when you are sending/receiving data from the internet.
Well, if I had 2 sources coming in, would that double the data flow??? Seems like..
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Well, if I had 2 sources coming in, would that double the data flow??? Seems like..
Assuming that the bottleneck occurs at your computer, which it doesn't. If you wanted to utilize both ports and get a gain in speed you would need a second dsl/cable modem and a second account with your dsl/cable provider. Now since broadband is still typically only 10-15 Megabits per second you still aren't utilizing the full capability of either port.
If you really really want to get 2 gigs per second coming to your home, you will need to purchase or lease an OC-48 and a MUX at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars in equipment and thousands of dollars in monthly bills for moving all of that data to and from the internet. You would also need to foot the bill for running fiber from your home to the nearest AT&T hub and lease space there for a rack to mount your other optical carrier equipment.
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It doesn't work like that.
It's not like a water pipe. :)
I'm giving you the utmost simplistic of answers here...
I saw Rob just posted a slightly more technical reply...lol
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Well, if I had 2 sources coming in, would that double the data flow??? Seems like..
If you had two different modems, two different lines coming to the home and two different broadband accounts then yes that would be feasible but I have a feeling you don't have that kind of a setup.
Dual network adapters is more of a gimmick than anything. Yes if you plan on using your computer as a server there are benefits to doing this.. and if you plan on networking your computer with two different systems without using a switch or router then this would work as well but the vast majority of people out there will never do this (especially with other networking options like wireless being so available and easy to use). I wouldn't be surprised if 99.99% of all dual network adapters never get used as such.
And from a FPS standpoint it will not do anything to benefit you at all, and can cause problems as already described.
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Another way to get more bandwidth (make computer upload/download info faster), albeit cheaper (assuming you don't get caught) and easier (assuming you don't have to go to court) would be to hack your cable modem. Although ISPs only offer a fraction of the bandwidth that your modem can utilize, a modem can be set up to run at full speed. DOCSIS 2.0 which is what most providers use has a maximum throughput of 38 Mbps.
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Yes I do have 2 separate feeds with 2 IP Addys.. I never figured any other way, wouldn't be worth asking otherwise..
That is why I pressed the question!
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Yes I do have 2 separate feeds with 2 IP Addys.. I never figured any other way, wouldn't be worth asking otherwise..
That is why I pressed the question!
And where are your two feeds coming from?
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probably his router :rofl
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COMCAST
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OH Xfinity now I guess! Some mighty self impressed techno weenies around here, huh?
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Are you network savvy, or not too much? Not a put down at all. Just a question on how much you know as for the answers to give you.
Like anything, different answers for different people.
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Since you have comcast, they probably used the same low bandwidth splitter as they did on me. It is gonna be 5-1000mhz, go get you a splitter with higher freq ratings. I swapped theirs out with on rated to 2500mhz, and noticed a major increase in stability on all my gaming and internet surfing. :salute
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Are you network savvy, or not too much? Not a put down at all. Just a question on how much you know as for the answers to give you.
Like anything, different answers for different people.
Well, I pay two Internet bills every month, Have separate cables, one for the shop, and the other is for domestic stuff.. I have direct access to both, I own em! As far as being network savvy? I know which end to plug the cable in, lol! I guess that means not, huh? Ah nevermind, I'll call somebody and get a real answer without the petty ego bullschlopp.. Thanks for taking the trouble to answer!
Zalduta <Z>
PAK
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Since you have comcast, they probably used the same low bandwidth splitter as they did on me. It is gonna be 5-1000mhz, go get you a splitter with higher freq ratings. I swapped theirs out with on rated to 2500mhz, and noticed a major increase in stability on all my gaming and internet surfing. :salute
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I believe your old splitter must have been noisy or had some sort of fault in it if you're noticing a difference. Comcast wouldn't use a splitter that doesn't work will the full spectrum of frequencies that their network utilizes. If they did you would be missing television channels and/or have a modem that is impossible to sync up with comcast's local head end.
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Well, I pay two Internet bills every month, Have separate cables, one for the shop, and the other is for domestic stuff.. I have direct access to both, I own em! As far as being network savvy? I know which end to plug the cable in, lol! I guess that means not, huh? Ah nevermind, I'll call somebody and get a real answer without the petty ego bullschlopp.. Thanks for taking the trouble to answer!
Zalduta <Z>
PAK
I'm not quite sure what ego stuff you're talking about.
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I went and got me one of thoe Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 modems, thinking I would be able to use it to increase my bandwidth...... the modem is still in thebox after I got so mad as to call the Windstream corporate office and got the VP on the phone and he had them at our house in less than 30 minutes............ just so the techs final answer was my modem would not work with their system......
hundreds of people have bought them and have gotten them hooked up to work for Time Warner and comcast and Cox and Charter etc....... but since windstream is going around and buying up all the small and local ISP's and will not upgrade what they are buying..... they simply say you have to buy from us, buy our modems we sell
it was not like this before windstream bought them out, Lexcomm let us use anything we wanted ( they also jipped us out of our lifetime contract, they did it to everyone in the area ! )
as for using dual Lan Ports on a MB or dedicated in a PC...... for server purposes or network sharing through PC it is ok......... but like Baldeagle posted, it causes problems trying to bound them.....
I went through the whole house and instllled gigbit switches ( have 4 of them, home server, home storage, home media player, currently 6 PC's and a laptop, all Cat 7 Shielded Twisted Pair patch cables with gold plated connectors ( to reduce emi freq, etc... )
gameing router and have 1 Gigabit access through out my whole network, I just simply can not get around my bottle neck ( modem )..... without switching to Time Warner <--- the only other one offered in my area.......
TC
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I'm not quite sure what ego stuff you're talking about.
he's just ticked because we're not congratulating him on how 1337 his dual internet connections are.
Personally if it were me I wouldn't bother having two connections. It's a waste of money even if one is being used for business purposes. It's still not going to make any difference in FPS numbers... the only noticeable difference would be if he were doing a lot of downloads at once but for one single connection there's not much benefit to be had.
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I went and got me one of thoe Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 modems, thinking I would be able to use it to increase my bandwidth...... the modem is still in thebox after I got so mad as to call the Windstream corporate office and got the VP on the phone and he had them at our house in less than 30 minutes............ just so the techs final answer was my modem would not work with their system......
hundreds of people have bought them and have gotten them hooked up to work for Time Warner and comcast and Cox and Charter etc....... but since windstream is going around and buying up all the small and local ISP's and will not upgrade what they are buying..... they simply say you have to buy from us, buy our modems we sell
it was not like this before windstream bought them out, Lexcomm let us use anything we wanted ( they also jipped us out of our lifetime contract, they did it to everyone in the area ! )
as for using dual Lan Ports on a MB or dedicated in a PC...... for server purposes or network sharing through PC it is ok......... but like Baldeagle posted, it causes problems trying to bound them.....
I went through the whole house and instllled gigbit switches ( have 4 of them, home server, home storage, home media player, currently 6 PC's and a laptop, all Cat 7 Shielded Twisted Pair patch cables with gold plated connectors ( to reduce emi freq, etc... )
gameing router and have 1 Gigabit access through out my whole network, I just simply can not get around my bottle neck ( modem )..... without switching to Time Warner <--- the only other one offered in my area.......
TC
Docsis 3 modems don't work on Docsis 2 networks. It's kinda like plugging your ethernet card into a phone jack, it just won't work.
Gold plated connectors don't really offer much benefit aside from being resistant to corrosion.
You should be able to buy a docsis 2 modem and it should work just fine. There may also be a way for you to install firmware on your docsis 3 modem to make it run docsis 2.
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heya Rob52240,
we just have a difference of opinion on what will work on what....... hundreds of people have already bought them and are using them on different ISP's........ISP's that are still using DOCSIS 2.0 networks
Time Warner here in NC is DOCSIS 2.0 ( they supposed to be upgrading soon I heard )........ and have already confirmed to me that if I did re-subscribe to them that I would be able to use the new modem............. the reason I have not already done so is because of the $20+ dollar increase for them for a little less than what I am getting right now from my current ISP/Cable provider, even though I hate them ( my current provider ) is still cheaper for mypackage even though it went up almost $28 dollars when they renigged on our lifetime contract......
but then again, I am not a Cable professional............ I am going on what I have read about via google etc... and the different ISP provider websites...... I do recall europe comes in to this somewhere when discussing DOCSIS 2.0 & DOCSIS 3.0, if I recall correctly......
edit: the Cat 7 STP cables I used were bought because of them being shielded ........... thus to reduce any emi frequencies or interference with the likes of televisions, microwaves, cb radios, stereos, cell phones, power lines, high voltage step down transformers/splitters in the neighborhood, etc...... as for the gold plating part, yes it does provide a better connection and as you posted in a humid area can reduce corrosiveness verses using copper
I already have a DOCSIS 2.0 modem.......... everyone who has purchased the other modem which is DOCSIS 3 capable has reported a substantual increase in their current bandwidth for the most part
TC
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I believe your old splitter must have been noisy or had some sort of fault in it if you're noticing a difference. Comcast wouldn't use a splitter that doesn't work will the full spectrum of frequencies that their network utilizes. If they did you would be missing television channels and/or have a modem that is impossible to sync up with comcast's local head end.
You don't have much experience with Comcast do you??...... :aok :cheers:
NOT
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So far sounds like its not worth the trouble.. BE, did you have two signal sources, or 2 feeds from a router with only one source? Was there a dif in FR, Just curious?
Thx for the replies..
One modem, two feeds from the router. Also Comcast BTW. No FR difference at all.
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Docsis 3 modems don't work on Docsis 2 networks. It's kinda like plugging your ethernet card into a phone jack, it just won't work.
Docsis 1, 2 and 3 are cross compatible by design. You can mix them, but they'll work with the speeds of the lowest version in the mix.
I already have a DOCSIS 2.0 modem.......... everyone who has purchased the other modem which is DOCSIS 3 capable has reported a substantual increase in their current bandwidth for the most part
With DOCSIS 3 modem you won't get any increase in bandwidth, unless you have a plan with higher bandwidth which require channel bonding (ie exceeds docsis 2 up/down speeds) and ISP has already deployed docsis 3.
My ISP has deployed docsis 3, but my plan is 20/2 and docsis 1 modem is all I need. If I'd want 40/5 plan, I'd need docsis 3 modem though.
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I'm not quite sure what ego stuff you're talking about.
Sorry bout the overshoot..
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I went and got me one of thoe Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 modems, thinking I would be able to use it to increase my bandwidth...... the modem is still in thebox after I got so mad as to call the Windstream corporate office and got the VP on the phone and he had them at our house in less than 30 minutes............ just so the techs final answer was my modem would not work with their system......
hundreds of people have bought them and have gotten them hooked up to work for Time Warner and comcast and Cox and Charter etc....... but since windstream is going around and buying up all the small and local ISP's and will not upgrade what they are buying..... they simply say you have to buy from us, buy our modems we sell
it was not like this before windstream bought them out, Lexcomm let us use anything we wanted ( they also jipped us out of our lifetime contract, they did it to everyone in the area ! )
as for using dual Lan Ports on a MB or dedicated in a PC...... for server purposes or network sharing through PC it is ok......... but like Baldeagle posted, it causes problems trying to bound them.....
I went through the whole house and instllled gigbit switches ( have 4 of them, home server, home storage, home media player, currently 6 PC's and a laptop, all Cat 7 Shielded Twisted Pair patch cables with gold plated connectors ( to reduce emi freq, etc... )
gameing router and have 1 Gigabit access through out my whole network, I just simply can not get around my bottle neck ( modem )..... without switching to Time Warner <--- the only other one offered in my area.......
TC
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I went and got me one of thoe Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 modems, thinking I would be able to use it to increase my bandwidth...... the modem is still in thebox after I got so mad as to call the Windstream corporate office and got the VP on the phone and he had them at our house in less than 30 minutes............ just so the techs final answer was my modem would not work with their system......
hundreds of people have bought them and have gotten them hooked up to work for Time Warner and comcast and Cox and Charter etc....... but since windstream is going around and buying up all the small and local ISP's and will not upgrade what they are buying..... they simply say you have to buy from us, buy our modems we sell
it was not like this before windstream bought them out, Lexcomm let us use anything we wanted ( they also jipped us out of our lifetime contract, they did it to everyone in the area ! )
as for using dual Lan Ports on a MB or dedicated in a PC...... for server purposes or network sharing through PC it is ok......... but like Baldeagle posted, it causes problems trying to bound them.....
I went through the whole house and instllled gigbit switches ( have 4 of them, home server, home storage, home media player, currently 6 PC's and a laptop, all Cat 7 Shielded Twisted Pair patch cables with gold plated connectors ( to reduce emi freq, etc... )
gameing router and have 1 Gigabit access through out my whole network, I just simply can not get around my bottle neck ( modem )..... without switching to Time Warner <--- the only other one offered in my area.......
TC
Thanks TC, lots of good stuff..
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Sorry bout the overshoot..
What?
See, I would be willing to help, and explain, in detail, why things would or wouldn't work. But you're not giving me a reason to do so.
So, good luck to you.
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My motherboard has Dual Gig Lan option and a built in controller.. Was wondering if anyone uses this feature, and if it actually helps FR/Connectivity?
If any further outside connections, (like complete separate modem and signal source) are needed? My mobo manual is a bit vague..
And I used search, lots of LAN entries, lots of DUAL entries, but no Dual Lan entries..
Is it worth it?
Thx <S>
PAK
Unless you have a managed switch capable of binding the ports together (properly) then no (and such a gig switch will usually cos you >$500 for a semi-decent one).
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Unless you have a managed switch capable of binding the ports together (properly) then no (and such a gig switch will usually cos you >$500 for a semi-decent one).
Switches aren't the problem. You get LCAP capable ProCurve for about $250 or less and would easily qualify for "semi-decent" class.
Problem is the Windows, most versions come with no LCAP support. You're pretty much confined to NIC manufacturer drivers which means you either need multiple port NIC or multiple NICs from the same manufacturer, which again, is troublesome with most dual on board ports because very often they're mixed (one port Intel + one port Marvell, for example).
Anyway, apart from port trunking, Mobos with multiple ports can be useful if you do load balancing, routing, using machine as security appliance, multiple LANs, etc.
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Rob has pretty much hit the nail on the head.
The best use for a dual 1Gb LAN port system is to use it as a router/firewall and/or file server for your local LAN.
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Thank you all, I do appreciate all the replies.. Gave me much to search..
OK, not worth the effort and expense for my purpose.. Got it!!!
I came late to the computer hobbies, I have others.. Right now, I know just enough
to be dangerous to my own equipment, lol.. That is why I ask the question..
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Switches aren't the problem. You get LCAP capable ProCurve for about $250 or less and would easily qualify for "semi-decent" class.
Problem is the Windows, most versions come with no LCAP support. You're pretty much confined to NIC manufacturer drivers which means you either need multiple port NIC or multiple NICs from the same manufacturer, which again, is troublesome with most dual on board ports because very often they're mixed (one port Intel + one port Marvell, for example).
Anyway, apart from port trunking, Mobos with multiple ports can be useful if you do load balancing, routing, using machine as security appliance, multiple LANs, etc.
It's LACP :)
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Yes it is