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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: killjoy1 on January 09, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
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So I'm sitting in my seat on a Boeing 727 and the stewardess gets on the PA. "Can anyone land this plane? Our pilots are incapacitated." I get up and say, "I've got 10,000 hours of flying flight sims, I can do it!"
Then there is this news piece today.
"A British Airways plane carrying more than 100 passengers was forced to turn back during a flight from London to Glasgow because the two pilots felt light-headed, a spokesman said Monday."
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So I'm sitting in my seat on a Boeing 727 and the stewardess gets on the PA. "Can anyone land this plane? Our pilots are incapacitated." I get up and say, "I've got 10,000 hours of flying flight sims, I can do it!"
Then there is this news piece today.
"A British Airways plane carrying more than 100 passengers was forced to turn back during a flight from London to Glasgow because the two pilots felt light-headed, a spokesman said Monday."
Been a dream of mine for an incredible amount of time
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I dont dream about this...
...however, i dream about eating marshmallows.
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So I'm sitting in my seat on a Boeing 727 and the stewardess gets on the PA. "Can anyone land this plane? Our pilots are incapacitated." I get up and say, "I've got 10,000 hours of flying flight sims, I can do it!"
Frankly speaking, being in a plane and having some game dweeb make that statement would be a hell of a Stephen King movie plot. No happy ending there.
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So I'm sitting in my seat on a Boeing 727 and the stewardess gets on the PA. "Can anyone land this plane? Our pilots are incapacitated." I get up and say, "I've got 10,000 hours of flying flight sims, I can do it!"
Someone beat you to it..
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/08/07/1226110/400949-airplane.jpg)
:ahand :devil
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOIJEE7YM5w&feature=related
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I think I could land a plane myself, but prefer to have a trained pilot do it.
Actually real pilots get a little spity knowing an average joe gamer could land a plane safely. I was showing AH2 to a friend of mine who fly's comercial airliners. I performed a nice dead stick landing in a fighter. He seemed surprised at how easy I made it look.
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Unless the plane was a A-10C or a Black Shark, I don't think any of us "sim-pilots" can land a plane without help from a controller or another pilot. It would take me 30 minutes just to figure out where the landing gear switch is.
(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/149483.jpg)
Yea, good luck.
Maybe a belly land will do it. :P
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Unless the plane was a A-10C or a Black Shark, I don't think any of us "sim-pilots" can land a plane without help from a controller or another pilot. It would take me 30 minutes just to figure out where the landing gear switch is.
(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/149483.jpg)
Yea, good luck.
Maybe a belly land will do it. :P
To the right of the engine gauges, above the flap lever, and left of the 1st officer's instruments. :D
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I was showing AH2 to a friend of mine who fly's comercial airliners. I performed a nice dead stick landing in a fighter. He seemed surprised at how easy I made it look.
That's because aircraft operations are not modeled in AH, we have no wind, you can safely fly though all other aircraft, and we have unlimited visibility. ;)
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So I'm sitting in my seat on a Boeing 727 and the stewardess gets on the PA. "Can anyone land this plane? Our pilots are incapacitated." I get up and say, "I've got 10,000 hours of flying flight sims, I can do it!"
Then there is this news piece today.
"A British Airways plane carrying more than 100 passengers was forced to turn back during a flight from London to Glasgow because the two pilots felt light-headed, a spokesman said Monday."
See the problem with that is the odds of both pilots being incapacitated and the cockpit still being in one piece are next to 0. But hey, don't we all practice in the sims for such possibility.
:aok
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Unless the plane was a A-10C or a Black Shark, I don't think any of us "sim-pilots" can land a plane without help from a controller or another pilot. It would take me 30 minutes just to figure out where the landing gear switch is.
(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/149483.jpg)
Yea, good luck.
Maybe a belly land will do it. :P
:huh Darth Vader's bathroom. :confused:
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Unless the plane was a A-10C or a Black Shark, I don't think any of us "sim-pilots" can land a plane without help from a controller or another pilot. It would take me 30 minutes just to figure out where the landing gear switch is.
(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/149483.jpg)
Yea, good luck.
Maybe a belly land will do it. :P
Hoffy's 8 step process to successfully landing a plane with incapacitated pilots:
Step 1. Get plane flying level.
Step 2. Find out how the Radio works and scream for an emergency.
Step 3. Find the throttle, flaps, and landing gear. (Levers center console for throttle. flaps are probably close to the throttle, landing gear is probably a little switch under a red safety cover marked GEAR).
Step 4. Listen to instructions from the radio.
Step 5. Hope all the engines are working.
Step 6. Pray.
Step 7. Land in one piece.
Step 8. Write book and cash in check, and never ever ever fly on that plane again. :aok
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Here are 5 exemples where passengers actualy took control.
http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009/04/14/passenger-who-landed-plane-five-instances-where-pax-took-the-contols/
Also on an other forum, an interesting discution between real pilots and flight simmers on would it be possible for a flight simmer to land a commercial plane, odds are close to impossible:
http://www.pprune.org/questions/63654-could-happen-non-pilot-landing-heavy-jet.html
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Here are 5 exemples where passengers actualy took control.
http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009/04/14/passenger-who-landed-plane-five-instances-where-pax-took-the-contols/
Also on an other forum, an interesting discution between real pilots and flight simmers on would it be possible for a flight simmer to land a commercial plane, odds are close to impossible:
http://www.pprune.org/questions/63654-could-happen-non-pilot-landing-heavy-jet.html
There have been cases where flight simmers have sat in a real simulator and landed perfectly on first try. Note that those simmers were playing FSX and the likes, an average AH pilot probably would have more trouble, G for gear and Q for flaps would be missing.
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A more likely possibility would be a light AC like a Cessna, if your pilot suddenly collapsed and you had dual flight controls. I'd put my chances at landing something like that higher than I would someone who doesn't play flight sims.
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This comes up for discussion regularly and often turns into a lively debate. The last time I flew in an airliner, a 737-800. I pondered the idea of how I would cope if the flight deck door opened and the Captain stumbled out gasping and collapsed unconscious with the FO already unconscious in his seat. In the end I concluded that I would cope quite well initially but it might well end badly when I attempted to land. Coincidentally not so long ago I had an hour in a 'real' sim, actually more of a procedures trainer. But configured as a 737 NG. I got a bit lost once, overstressed the airframe once, overran the runway twice and crashed into the River Thames while trying to fly under a bridge while landing in London City Airport. I should add at this point that I'm a Commercial pilot and fly skydivers for a living. So if I have trouble, imagine the problems someone who never actually flew a real aircraft would have.
By the end of the session I was demonstrating to the bemused 'Instructor' how to make a skydive plane descent and landing in a 737 into London City Airport. It went great until I put a wheel off the runway :joystick:
All great fun, but imagine this scenario. It's night, you're on a trans ocean flight, the weather is bad and you can see flashes of lightning out there. The pilots pass out cold and you find yourself sitting there with your heart in your mouth. The autopilot is on. What do you do?
It's all very fine if you found yourself in that situation on a fine sunny day somewhere close to a large airport with plenty of time to spend getting briefed by a conveniently available experienced pilot. Add any complicating factors and it becomes a lottery. If you look at the Air France AF447 accident you can see that an experienced crew with three pilots on the flight deck let their aircraft fall into the sea because they were confused over what they were seeing. Almost any pilot will tell you that there are times when in cloud or at night when the eyes disagree with the ears and you have instant vertigo. Only your training prevents you from ripping the wings off.
There's also another factor, remember the Helios 737 accident. Both crew were unconscious but the Flight attendant who actually had a Commercial licence only got access to the flight deck after the engines failed, thanks to the locked door rules. It was far too late.
You'd better hope it never happens to you.
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There have been cases where flight simmers have sat in a real simulator and landed perfectly on first try. Note that those simmers were playing FSX and the likes, an average AH pilot probably would have more trouble, G for gear and Q for flaps would be missing.
I tried landing in Finnair DC-9 simulator and crashed it. :D
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"November 1986 — A legally blind passenger takes the controls of a light plane after the 80-year-old pilot suffers a fatal heart attack, landing at Cable Airport in Upland, Calif., 40 miles east of Los Angeles. Charles Law, who was almost 70 years old the time, owned and flew an identical plane before he lost much of his sight. Law told the Associated Press that he was legally blind with 20-200 vision in his left eye and 20-400 in his right. Law said he wasn’t frightened and turned his head to use his peripheral vision to get the plane down. “We bounced a little hard and it was a little squirrely, and I guess I was a little crooked. But I thought it was a very good landing,” he told the AP"
Holy crap :huh
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However, the whole entire case has a 0.00000001% chance of ever happening.
1. BOTH pilot and co-pilot passing out is very unlikely.
2. Auto pilot means you basically listen to the controller, turn a few knobs, and let the plane land itself until the very last stretch, then it's a matter of pointing the plane in the right direction, and hitting the brakes. You're still a hero, but a hero who can listen to instructions, not a hero who took the stick and landed using his skill. :airplane:
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I'd like a shot at the NASA simulator just to see how I would do
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I usually dream of a harem.........
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Unless the plane was a A-10C or a Black Shark, I don't think any of us "sim-pilots" can land a plane without help from a controller or another pilot. It would take me 30 minutes just to figure out where the landing gear switch is.
(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/149483.jpg)
Yea, good luck.
Maybe a belly land will do it. :P
E Z Mode.
BTW, I know where every control/instrument is located and what they do in the 109K4/G14 :neener: /Chest Thump Off
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E Z Mode.
BTW, I know where every control/instrument is located and what they do in the 109K4/G14 :neener: /Chest Thump Off
Hehe, I'll be sure to bring you along the next time I fly a 109G14/K4 :neener:
Might be a bit cramp though.
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I'd like a shot at the NASA simulator just to see how I would do
Why NASA?
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However, the whole entire case has a 0.00000001% chance of ever happening.
1. BOTH pilot and co-pilot passing out is very unlikely.
2. Auto pilot means you basically listen to the controller, turn a few knobs, and let the plane land itself until the very last stretch, then it's a matter of pointing the plane in the right direction, and hitting the brakes. You're still a hero, but a hero who can listen to instructions, not a hero who took the stick and landed using his skill. :airplane:
Without autoland you need to touch down at the beginning of the runway. If you end up touching down long or touching down too fast you can run out of runway and damage/destroy the plane and property. So yes the autopilot will make it significantly easier for you to do it but without autoland some skill will still be required.
Since were discussing such a small possibility there is the same chance the autopilot will not work either...
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Why NASA?
They have that full motion simulator they did on mythbusters
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Flying a jet liner would not be hard. But having not ever done it, the chances of landing 50ft too high or rounding out too late or getting into a high sink rate on final would be high. I know of a cessna 150 pilot who landed the commercial 737 sim fine though.
Let's hope that never happens.
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However, the whole entire case has a 0.00000001% chance of ever happening.
1. BOTH pilot and co-pilot passing out is very unlikely.
2. Auto pilot means you basically listen to the controller, turn a few knobs, and let the plane land itself until the very last stretch, then it's a matter of pointing the plane in the right direction, and hitting the brakes. You're still a hero, but a hero who can listen to instructions, not a hero who took the stick and landed using his skill. :airplane:
LOL, you make it seem easy. It makes you wonder why they bother going to all that trouble to train pilots. It really isn't as simple as that. First off the controller wouldn't know how to tell you to fly the aircraft. It would need a rated pilot. He would need to get you descended and lined up with the airport, get you to set up for descent and landing with no mistakes. Too high a rate of descent you crash short of the runway, too low and you miss the airport and hit past the runway. Any confusion of ambiguity or panic will result in disorientation or loss of control. Even in perfect conditions it would be very hard to pull off without killing everyone on board. If you get it down safely, you would be hero alright.
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Flying a responsive fighter is totally different from a fully loaded Jetliner. More like flying the B-29 in game. Heavy, slow to respond, and hopefully burnt off most of the fuel load.
If your life depended on a Gamer with no flight experience, assume the position, Head between legs......KYAG.
You may need your skills though if these boys are your pilots............
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I had a dream last night about never-ending bacon. Best dream ever.
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If you end up touching down long or touching down too fast you can run out of runway and damage/destroy the plane and property. So yes the autopilot will make it significantly easier for you to do it but without autoland some skill will still be required.
Since were discussing such a small possibility there is the same chance the autopilot will not work either...
I wouldn't care at all about the aircraft. My main focus would be to get it down safely enough to where the passengers and myself could walk away relatively unharmed. If that means overshooting a runway and breaking the plane, so be it.
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They have that full motion simulator they did on mythbusters
That's not just NASA. I done some training with the USAF on a C-17A Class D sim (highest classification of sims possible) and most major airlines have them for all their aircraft.
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LOL, you make it seem easy. It makes you wonder why they bother going to all that trouble to train pilots. It really isn't as simple as that. First off the controller wouldn't know how to tell you to fly the aircraft. It would need a rated pilot. He would need to get you descended and lined up with the airport, get you to set up for descent and landing with no mistakes. Too high a rate of descent you crash short of the runway, too low and you miss the airport and hit past the runway. Any confusion of ambiguity or panic will result in disorientation or loss of control. Even in perfect conditions it would be very hard to pull off without killing everyone on board. If you get it down safely, you would be hero alright.
Most good autopilots can fly the whole approach for you. All you'll need is someone on the ground to explain you how to program the autopilot. In case of an emergency the'd find someone who can do that.
But your right it's still not as easy as he explained it.
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That's not just NASA. I done some training with the USAF on a C-17A Class D sim (highest classification of sims possible) and most major airlines have them for all their aircraft.
How would a person like me get a shot at one of those? if it can happen at all?
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How would a person like me get a shot at one of those? if it can happen at all?
Know the right people
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How would a person like me get a shot at one of those? if it can happen at all?
Know the right people
That, or work for the right people/organization.
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hmm, getting a shot at a true legit sim has been my dream for nearly 6 years now
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hmm, getting a shot at a true legit sim has been my dream for nearly 6 years now
Why dont you spend $80 and fly in a real plane instead of a sim?
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Technically I'm sure somehow you could rent a class D sim with an IP but a real plane would be significantly cheaper.
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My dads grandfather runs a air field in Ohio, he used to own a DC-3, or the C47 and did maintenance on planes, he took me up in a single engine and let me at the controls for a few minutes, greatest feeling in the world I have to admit.
There's an Air field a few miles away from me, but i've never been past the gate cause my dad says its pointless to go here :mad:
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Surely there's places all around the US where you can pay to 'fly' full size simulators? Ok maybe not full motion class D but the real deal nonetheless.
There's several here in Ireland. There's one in my town, 737 NG it's not full motion yet. http://www.eirsim.com/
There's others, one in Shannon an hour's drive away another 737 NG. http://www.atlanticairventure.com/ They even offer the chance to fly a full flight, take off to landing.
Another in Dublin which I had a free go at because I know the right people. http://www.simtech.ie/
There's even a 747-400 simulator available. All within 2 hours drive.
There must be a bunch of similar simulators for rent in the USA. If not there must be a gap in the market!
You could probably ask them to set it up so you were on your own.
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Mythbusters sorta did it :noid
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Most good autopilots can fly the whole approach for you. All you'll need is someone on the ground to explain you how to program the autopilot. In case of an emergency the'd find someone who can do that.
But your right it's still not as easy as he explained it.
I know it's it easy, but I'm pretty sure in an emergency (cpxxx), like MachFly said, they would get some one who knew how to fly that particular plane to read out instructions. And they're not going to put someone that looks like a bum at the controls in an emergency either, so you can expect either a smart person, a sim pilot, or a real pilot to take over the controls, and it shouldn't be THAT challenging. If there were neither of those 3, then yea, it would be much harder.
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I'm fairly certain an autopilot will not "land" you without a certain amount of input from the pilot here and there.
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I'm fairly certain an autopilot will not "land" you without a certain amount of input from the pilot here and there.
The guy on the ground call explain you how to program the autopilot at first (it's not very hard), and the plane will fly to the airport and do the whole approach for you. All you'll have to do is the touchdown. If you get lucky and the autopilot will have an autoland feature than you wont need to do anything at all.
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I was just thinking of away where ground controllers could control the plane with camera's and the instrument readings at their command, and so terrorists couldn't access this the pilot could flip a switch to give them control?
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I was just thinking of away where ground controllers could control the plane with camera's and the instrument readings at their command, and so terrorists couldn't access this the pilot could flip a switch to give them control?
Those already exist, their called UAV and I would not go anywhere near one of them.
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Those already exist, their called UAV and I would not go anywhere near one of them.
I was leaning towards use in commercial planes as a last ditch effort, why do you not like them?
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I was leaning towards use in commercial planes as a last ditch effort, why do you not like them?
Flying should be done the proper way, by men, not computers.
Plus if you will make a plane remote controlled than it would be a lot safer for the hijacker, he would not need to be on board.
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Flying should be done the proper way, by men, not computers.
Plus if you will make a plane remote controlled than it would be a lot safer for the hijacker, he would not need to be on board.
Like the UAV that Iran captured. Asking for trouble IMO
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Flying should be done the proper way, by men, not computers.
Plus if you will make a plane remote controlled than it would be a lot safer for the hijacker, he would not need to be on board.
The plane could only be enabled if they pilot switched over control to the ground, or have to enter a code or something
How the hell did they capture a drone?
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Seriously guys, some of your are off on a 'flight of fancy'. I hope my boss isn't reading all this. He might think he can replace me really easily. If he does I look forward to seeing his aircraft feature as the lead item on the six o'clock news when they kill all on board.
Where's Golfer when you need him?
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I love these threads.
Flying and landing an airliner does take some level of skill - but I don't doubt at all that a hard core FSX pilot could land an airliner on the runway - especially the guys with the full 737 mock up cockpits in their basement. The touchdown may be a little firm but I think he would be able to do it safely.
I'm an FO on the ERJ-145 btw. However I did have a chance to fly the 737-200 level D sim at Delta when I was 14, and had no problem flying and landing it. Little did I know that 12 years later I'd be flying the exact same sim during my airline interview, lol. My experience up to that point was a few hundred hours in my dads Super Cub and who knows how much time flying Flight Sim 95/98 or 2000. Maybe the Cub time helped me more than I thought, who knows. It really is not that hard to fly an airliner, especially if you have some sim experience.
Maybe I'm just crazy. But the general public thinks you have to be some kind of superhuman to land an airliner. Sure there's a ton of switches and dials in the cockpit, but when you turn the autopilot off, it's all stick and rudder and looking outside, you have an airspeed tape, an altitude tape and a heading tape as well as a flap and gear handle. That's about all you need to pay attention to in order to land it. You're not flipping a bunch of switches and doing some wild balancing act while you're coming into land. :lol
Also, if the airplane is equipped with autoland, it is capable and does routinely land the airplane without the intervention of the pilots aside from them coupling the autopilot to the localizer and glideslope with the push of a button. It will fly it all the way into the flare and touchdown.
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Cobra what airline do you fly for? My friend and Private Pilot CFI is an FO on Eagles 145s
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Oh cool, I know a few flying for Eagle. I hope they don't get furloughed as a result of the American bankruptcy. :( I'm with ExpressJet.
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I dont dream about this...
...however, i dream about eating marshmallows.
I had that dream once
and when I woke up my pillow was gone
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You all should check out this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326902.0.html
Do you still think it would be easy?
Check out this youtube video. It's great and really give a sense of what it's like fly an airliner. But check out how the Captain is working that sidestick. It must have been quite gusty. Doesn't look that easy to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDba1UsgHc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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Isn't there a landing code you enter for major airports? Not that I use them in my dream, I usually bring her in on her belly because the landing gear was shot off buy a 109.
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Yes put 7500 in the transponder and speak on the radio with a foreign accent. You wouldn't believe how quickly the authorities will respond after that. They'll even send a couple of escorts to help you get on the ground very fast indeed! :airplane:
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Yes put 7500 in the transponder and speak on the radio with a foreign accent. You wouldn't believe how quickly the authorities will respond after that. They'll even send a couple of escorts to help you get on the ground very fast indeed! :airplane:
LOL :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Yes put 7500 in the transponder and speak on the radio with a foreign accent. You wouldn't believe how quickly the authorities will respond after that. They'll even send a couple of escorts to help you get on the ground very fast indeed! :airplane:
:rofl
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Yes put 7500 in the transponder and speak on the radio with a foreign accent. You wouldn't believe how quickly the authorities will respond after that. They'll even send a couple of escorts to help you get on the ground very fast indeed! :airplane:
LMAO!!! :rofl :rofl :aok
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-2089888/Pilot-Boeing-757-dies-heart-attack-mid-flight-239-passengers-board.html
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