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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AceHavok on January 10, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
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Hi all,
I just started getting into building model rockets. :) I haven't built anything to complex yet, only really the skill level 1 Este's rockets. Just wanted to see if anyone else builds rockets. :)
Warthog
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in jrhigh i was the first eskimo to put a fly in outter space
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I have built many estes rockets. Nothing extremely complex like multistage but have hand made quite a few. Hand made I mean taken the kits from scratch and balsa wood and put them together. I have only built one from complete scratch. Basically I would fly them until they failed in a ball of fire or a technical malfunction normally the parachute. They are just too damn cheap to take seriously so I never like pre-flighted them much. Haha.
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If the fuel isn't too expensive (I've heard that sugar can work well if mixed with potassium nitrate) you can make a backyard MLRS.
For 2" rockets:
Buy 4 2"x3' PVC tubes
Buy 4 2" rubber O-Rings
Take a shoebox and glue the top down
Cut four two inch holes out in both small faces in a square formation
Insert the tubes so that the shoebox is in the middle and make sure that they are level with each other. Check for fit.
Slide the tubes out just far enough that you can pour sand mixed with Elmer's glue into the shoebox using a funnel (50% Sand, 40% Glue)
Slide the O-Rings onto the other end of the tubes to prevent leaks
Pour the sand in until the shoebox is full
Quickly push the tubes back through the shoebox until its in the middle, and be careful to keep the sand out of the inside of the pipe. Quickly scrub any that's inside the pipe away.
Take some Super Glue and glue the O-Rings in place
Voila, you have a four-shot reloadable rocket launcher
How well would this work?
-Penguin
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Planning on strapping 3 rocket engines to the back of my car when I get some new parts for the left tire, I kinda smashed it again...
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When I was in college, my room mate and I launched one of these...
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/imagesCA18NQK9.jpg)
We used 5 estes rocket motors, I don't recall the size. We added three fins, canted at about 15 degrees to cause the rocket to spin around its centerline to stabilize it (since it was of irregular shape). And we built a launching pad that held the rocket on the pad for just a split second, so all 5 motors would be burning before we released it.
The launch was beautiful. Straight up for about 100 feet. I wish I had video of it, but it was 1989 and video cameras were a lot harder to come by then and we were poor college kids.
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I did small rockets very briefly when I was a kid, no money to continue so dropped the hobby. Later when I was student teaching the 6th grade I had a rocketry module. I put the class into teams and each team got a kit to build. They had minimal materials but did have some extra balsa wood sheets for mods. Most went OK. One kid built a big rocket at home. It was the only one that didn't launch. Well the motor lit off but it kinda flew out the nose of the rocket leaving the rest on the pad. He'd been building them for a couple years with his dad. He was kinda embarrased.
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I took rocketry classes at the miami museum and planetarium.
Jack Horkheimer (the star hustler) was the teacher.
(http://www.starhustler.com/JackHorkheimerRemembered.3.jpg)
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Launched this a few years back. Computer models put it at over 5300' on a K135 reloadable motor!! My level 2 Certification flight!
(http://stlouisrocketry.org/pics/apr1198/AEdwards.jpg)
Some links for ya!
http://www.nar.org/ (http://www.nar.org/)
http://www.tripoli.org/ (http://www.tripoli.org/)
Have fun!
T
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Lol i had a small model that was called the Blue (something, i think maybe moon?). It only got a few hundred feet in the air. I have a large model now that uses the big engines that you have to be 18 years old to get and are behind the counter, but i never flew it. Its sitting out in my garage ready to go. My engines are sitting in my room (maybe i should get them out of the house lol) on my shelf. Its supposed to go up about a 1000ft IIRC.
When i lost my little on, i had the bright idea one day to may a cardboard rocket from scratch. I used a foot long paper towel tube. I rapped the small engine in foil to insulate it from the cardboard, i taped on some paper plate cutout fins and launched it. It worked fine for about 50ft then it started to tumble and flew into the ground and burned lol... it didn't even have a parachute.
As a kid, one of my modeling dreams was to rig up a Space shuttle rocket set. I would build the SRB's to be real rockets and have a foam main tank and then i would have an RC model Shuttle. After the vertical launch, i would then separate the Shuttle and fly it off as an RC. It was going to have 3 ducted fans in it for its engines. That would have been cool and is still a small dream i have, but i probably never will do it.
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tried model rockets once, was fun until the parachute didn't come out and I ended up with a pile of broken crap :cry
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I was so poor I bought model rocket engines and just glued fins to them. Cheap flying!
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I was so poor I bought model rocket engines and just glued fins to them. Cheap flying!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :noid :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I was so poor I bought model rocket engines and just glued fins to them. Cheap flying!
:rofl :rofl :rofl Thats how I made air soft grenade launchers, me and my friends later banned use of em due to rockets hitting people in the face and burning hands and gun finish's
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You're in good company...
(http://www.homerhickam.com/images/students/rboys.jpg)
I believe Estes was big into rockets if he's still posting here. I'm sure he could give you some pointers.
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Had one of those baking soda/water fueled plastic rockets. Hours of fun.
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Just found some C6-7 engines in a box.
There are big fireworks stands all over south florida so I look for larger bottle rockets that are weak in the engine department and simply tape the estes engine directly below the regular bottle rocket engine (1/8 inch below it) and stick a very short fuse into the rocket that's been sliced up a bit with a razor blade to expose the powder.
A shorter time engine is better for this but it's fun to watch the estes engine boost the rocket up and then watch the rocket's own engine power it downward before it goes off.
You can also rig up a joint that will allow the engine to blow off.
Best of all is to make a basic rocket with 3 "C" engines and fill it up with jumping jacks and something that will cause the ejection charge ignite a suitable inferno to light them all.
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There are model rockets... and model rockets (http://ddeville.com/derek/Qu8k.html)! :O
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Planning on strapping 3 rocket engines to the back of my car when I get some new parts for the left tire, I kinda smashed it again...
If you're serious, you are an idiot.
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I am working on a concept for a water powered model rocket.
Using a carbon fibre body which will house the fuel (water) at around 4500psi. and by using salt to increase the density, and a detergent to increase compression, thus being able to use a venturi nozzle.
http://www.ckcomposites.com/composite-products.php is where I am thinking about getting the rocket body.
In theory I hope to get a design that can break 2000feet.
Although this is just an idea in my head at the moment.
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I am working on a concept for a water powered model rocket.
Using a carbon fibre body which will house the fuel (water) at around 4500psi. and by using salt to increase the density, and a detergent to increase compression, thus being able to use a venturi nozzle.
http://www.ckcomposites.com/composite-products.php is where I am thinking about getting the rocket body.
In theory I hope to get a design that can break 2000feet.
Although this is just an idea in my head at the moment.
Interesting idea. Here's a link for another company that sells all kinds of carbon fiber stuff that I have bought from before. http://dragonplate.com/default.asp
Never hurts to shop around a little, and these guys were very helpful to me with my project.
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Back when I was a lot younger and into Estes rockets I'd take my larger ones up to the high desert. The high desert can have wicked winds at varying speeds at varying altitudes, even relatively low off the ground. So I'd take a smoke bomb like youd get from an ice cream truck, cut the fuse down to a little nub and packed it firmly down the bottom of a D-sized rocket tube with the snipped fuse nub against the top of the rocket. It would get ejected with the chute, ignited 9/10 times and a couple seconds after being ejected it would start smoking. The Ds were the larger ones, so it would have a good drop time and leave a trail of smoke all the way down to the desert. A second or two after that you'd have a real good idea of what the wind was doing watching the smoke trail from the rocket and the longer-lingering one from the smoke bomb.
Some really strong wind shears just 50-feet up or so in the open desert were hecka fun to toy with, take a single-stage rocket that's just slightly more tail heavy fueled, strap a hefty first-stage booster with a 2-3 second delayed kick-off to it good with a couple rings of tape (making it notabley tail-heavy now). They would launch verticley straight up, arcing more with the wind and as it lost weight from the firs-stage, then with the 2-3 second delay, cruise horizontaly with it... and then the last stage kicks off, ejecting the spent engine and taking the relatively well balanced "missile" quite a distance (note: have someone on recovery duty in a car and ready to start driving, and i recomend looong bright streamers for these rockets recovery method. :aok ). You also have a good chance of angling it into the wind, and those are maybe the most entertaining, you see the rocket arc into the wind, and as the delay between stages counts down it just hovers and starts going backwards even, then the last stage kicks off and it stay motionless a moment while at full burn, and ultimatley gaining only a few dozen yards if any right above your head.
The booster/last charge in those is pretty incindeary-ish, designed to not only kick out a chute but ignite a second-stage engine firmly placed on top of it, while also ejecting the spent engine/assemley/stage (its primarily why Estes recommends you use a special paper rather than regular tissue, as tissue/napkins/paper-towls easily ignite (besides making an extra buck)).
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Back when I was a lot younger and into Estes rockets I'd take my larger ones up to the high desert. The high desert can have wicked winds at varying speeds at varying altitudes, even relatively low off the ground. So I'd take a smoke bomb like youd get from an ice cream truck, cut the fuse down to a little nub and packed it firmly down the bottom of a D-sized rocket tube with the snipped fuse nub against the top of the rocket. It would get ejected with the chute, ignited 9/10 times and a couple seconds after being ejected it would start smoking. The Ds were the larger ones, so it would have a good drop time and leave a trail of smoke all the way down to the desert. A second or two after that you'd have a real good idea of what the wind was doing watching the smoke trail from the rocket and the longer-lingering one from the smoke bomb.
Some really strong wind shears just 50-feet up or so in the open desert were hecka fun to toy with, take a single-stage rocket that's just slightly more tail heavy fueled, strap a hefty first-stage booster with a 2-3 second delayed kick-off to it good with a couple rings of tape (making it notabley tail-heavy now). They would launch verticley straight up, arcing more with the wind and as it lost weight from the firs-stage, then with the 2-3 second delay, cruise horizontaly with it... and then the last stage kicks off, ejecting the spent engine and taking the relatively well balanced "missile" quite a distance (note: have someone on recovery duty in a car and ready to start driving, and i recomend looong bright streamers for these rockets recovery method. :aok ). You also have a good chance of angling it into the wind, and those are maybe the most entertaining, you see the rocket arc into the wind, and as the delay between stages counts down it just hovers and starts going backwards even, then the last stage kicks off and it stay motionless a moment while at full burn, and ultimatley gaining only a few dozen yards if any right above your head.
The booster/last charge in those is pretty incindeary-ish, designed to not only kick out a chute but ignite a second-stage engine firmly placed on top of it, while also ejecting the spent engine/assemley/stage (its primarily why Estes recommends you use a special paper rather than regular tissue, as tissue/napkins/paper-towls easily ignite (besides making an extra buck)).
Nice! Unfortunately there are not deserts in Florida. :( Due to only small fields here I've lost 2 out of 2 of my rockets. :(
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Nice! Unfortunately there are not deserts in Florida. :( Due to only small fields here I've lost 2 out of 2 of my rockets. :(
I think thats why I honestly moved on to other hobies and things, the two-three times a year trips to the dessert (or days a year, that were just as frequent, and that had a favorable breeze blowing across the local community college soccer field) just made it a total bore. A few weeks making rockets, modifications, and plans, then wautubg a couple months for some good time and weather, and finally only an hour or two of punching holes in the sky. Then you were right back at it from step one again.
I think the next one for me was also one that I shared with my little brother when he took the lead with an interest in R/C boats. We teamed up for a bit there and had a blast - he knew his stuff with servos and the R/C equipment and had my dad's knack for tooling with electronics, and I had the materials and experience to make most anything out of balsa wood and glue. Was a lot easier sneaking off to a nearby public park or reservoir with a pond/lake in the afternoon after class or on the weekend, and the weather being favorable more often than not.