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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RAM on February 21, 2000, 09:41:00 PM
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To all knits. I fly with them because my squad is knit, and now that Im in a definitive country I'll never change it again unless my team does so.
Tonite...4.28 Am now for me, I was rtb-ing after a fun mission with Ripsnort and Glasses. In the rtb I was surrounded by one niki and 2 spits all with more E than my 190. Rip was long rtb ,and Glasses was bingo fuel and ammo. So I did my best and managed to go away with a leak in the fuel,an elevator and aileron gone...as I was running I saw a big low-level furball in wich 8 knit planes were pursuing a lone rook P-51. I asked for help and nothing. One Spit was still in my six so I went into the middle of the furball to see If I could lose them. Nope. I had no chance of yell more help calls because I was so busy tryng to evade the spit. and he downed me (BTW nice one Nepo..good running (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) <S> ).
Well people. 8!!! EIGHT planes vs a poor P51 and a spit on the six of an enemy plane. I know someone tried to engage the Spit, but at least 5 FIVE!!! ,and very possibly 6 SIX!!!planes were still after the 51. IF i am in that situation I let the p51 and help my countrymate. But noooo you all wanted the 51,not my life.
Thats ok I told it in the country channel and someone answered me "well,join a squad".
I am yet in a great squad...JG-2,SO...I think Im well known because I ALWAYS give 6 calls. I ALWAYS try to help countrymen even if damaged (yep or no,kirin? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) pushing aside any other things I have in hands unless its a potencial threat (example:Im the only one trying to catch that sneaky 205)...and the answer I get is; "join a squad"
ok,you got it...with EXCEPTIONS...(Kirin,AkWabbit,new people...) I WONT USE ANYMORE THE COUNTRY CHANNEL...I'll restrict the use of radio ONLY for my teammates and general (1) channel. this isn't the first time this happens to me but for sure it means the LAST time I give a 6 call or try to help anyone out from my squad with the exceptions I made.
Now you'll tell that your six is your responsability blah blah blah...ok. It is ,so care yourselves. Iwont help anymore.
For the Jg-2. Excuse me my log off. I couldn't stay in such an angry way I would have been a black dot on the fun. thanks for a GREAT funny mission...sad the end. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
For the knits...if I don't change country is only for the respect my teammates have won on me. If not you'd be with one less people now.
And we still ask ourselves why are us so few knits,and the rooks and bishes are so many...damn its NORMAL... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Ram, out
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-21-2000).]
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RAM,
Wish I had been there. 6 ppl chasing 1 plane is always a lose lose situation. I Always go out of my way for the team. I have had to log more than once for the same type situation. Anytime ya need a hand hollar and if I can I will try to be there. (tho sometimes I make it a few secs late (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Good Hunting RAM S!
Rocket
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The Red Dragons
Fierce and Bold
With Honour and Courage
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www.reddragons.de
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Hunh. Only time I see bishops doin that is when they are chasin after rook women (and sheep) right after we take one of their fields. Impossible to distract 'em then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
JG2; come to Bishland. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We do manage to catch lots of rook women (and sheep) and when we get done chasin them around the tower a few times and get back to flyin; well, we DO clear sixes here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Besides.. the knits don't want yah. Obviously, they have no taste in whats worth chasin.. sheesh. We kill spits FIRST. Rook Mustangs love to lead parades.. and sheep-addled knits just love followin 'em. Give up the parade followers and be a Bish squad!
Hang
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Sorry Ram even though I was Bingo I tried to engage the spit the best I could trying to manuver against the nimble plane, in a 190 is hard thing to do .I did get a few shots off and hit him but with 13mm gun (like pellets then was distracted by another spit who jumped in and got confused by that one and engaged the wrong one shotting him down then when I looked around saw u going down unfortunetly in flames.
Sorry Ram ,hope to see you up soon bud.
Hasta Luego
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I logged on to see just the aftermath of this. I assure you, if I'd have been there, I would have called your 6 and tried my best to help you. (I probably get 30% of my kills clearing a teammates 6, the bogey just gets so fixated on the target they are usually pretty easy to get.) I'm sorry this happened to you, but I can assure you, that's not normal in my experience. It was probably just an unfortunate 1 time occurance. ( I sure hope so. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Your the banger, or the bangee. Skill,s got very little to do with it.
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mmmmmmuuuupph... (hang spits beer on keyboard)
Hunh?
Well; thats news ta me.. and the guys that have suddenly stopped bein the banger; and caught some lead from what was THE bangee a moment before.. THATS where the skill bit comes in (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Which in now way detracts from poor RAMS plight. He wuz marooned in a sea of friendlies.. and got no help. No skill evident there either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Hate it when that happens. Truth be told; we've seen it before. Sorry fer my ill concieved remarks previous.
It happens RAM. not often.. but it does happen. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Hang
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Heya Ram,
Sure it is annoying to see a half dozen planes chase a single one, I met such situations a few times - reasoning the chasers never brought me success so I leave it now. On the other hand it's quite funny to be the chased plane... hehehe, gives you the feel of importance. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) BTW, great rescue in the canyons last night. Thanks again, without ya my 109 sure would had some spit-made air conditioning.
As for changing countries: I went for Knight-Land just because of the numbers. It's true, most of the time rook have great cooperation, and there are always some good mission on. It hurt me to leave some good chaps behind in Rook-Land, we always had good fun on the RW channel - but the Rook just got overcrowded recently. Teamwork is fine, but I don't like to be 1 or 20 others to depart for a single target. You start to see trains of Rook chasing single enemies. I didn't see many coordinated operations with knights though, maybe because I am quite new to them. It seems that there are some good pilots and squads with the Knights, but they usually do their own thing. What would help a lot would be a Knight RW base channel - like the Rook used to have. You automatically go on base channel when you log in - tadaa teamwork developes.
But if more people start to leave Knights for Rooks or Bishis we really might consider a 2 sided war. As much I do love some challenge - being outnumbered by 2 fractions at least twice you numbers really limits your options.
Hey RAM, let's do some winging next time and cover each other. I try to help my countrymen whenever I can - getting me in bad situations everytime I do... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and I don't hesitate to call help if I need it (and I have the time to call it). I call 6 when I think my mate is unaware of the bandit and I have the time to do it - I'm really having a bad time flying and typing at the same time - we need ingame vox soon!! So RAM, give Knights a chance or this side will be obsolete soon.
Kirin out
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Greetings again:
To Glasses: Hey this wasn't for ya...you were bingo fuel and cannon ammo...you returned to help me that says A LOT about you. I dont care you couldnt save me ,the fact is still there. Thanks a lot again! <S>. As I told you, not ur fault.
To Bloom25: Nope, isn't by far the first time, its the thousand one that happens to me, but this time has been the worse. To see all that crowd after the P51 and me trying to stay alive was the breaking point to me. I'm Tired of pčople that dont help me after they see I always lose my butt to save theirs. No way this will continue. But thks for the post. I see there are still decent people out there. Thks also.
For TT and Hangtime: dont speak me about Skill. I had 2 spits and a niki over me I was much lower on E (slower and lower) than them in an inferior plane. I still recall Glasses' yell "get outta there" and I answered "I cant". Simply I couldnt. Still I faced 2 attacks,grabbed some alt while doing and MANAGED to dive-escape from 2 of the 3 planes. AND if my countrymen had been GOOD people, I should have rtb. I'll ask you to be in the same situation with the same plane the same enemies, the same countrymen.and manage a RTB. Try it, and you'll see I did my best and I was nearly saved, and all without, or with very limited help (thks again Glasses).
Kirin: yup me being a knit was much conditioned my the low nombers of them online. When I logged in I tried the rooks,then knits, then bishes and when I saw all there I made the decision to join the knits because There in knitland were Swager and Ripsnort with who I had enjoyed one of their LW missions, but also because I saw that they always were the fewest people and I like the hard way to learn flying. (my first AH plane was F4U1-D, then the C then the Fw190 and now I go also a lot on 109G-10...spits only for base defence...Mustangs?...what are mustangs? lol)
But said that I'll repeat that Im only in knitland because Rip, Swager, Weazel, Glasses, DoctorYo...and all the rest of teammates, with ten times my skill and 1000 times my pacience. So I'm not knit anymore. I'm JG-2...and stay loyal to the squads country, but not all the countrymen.
And yup I enjoyed a lot being Ripsnort's wingman (but I still have to learn to keep formation hehehe), and I'll be also Glasses' soon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). I'd love to wing with ya, kirin. But until now I expected help from anyone nop only from my leaders/wingman/squadmates. But I see I wont have it. They wont have mine also,thats what I wanted to make clear.
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Ram, out
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-22-2000).]
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And to give the last words, about the 3-country sistem I think is workable,and that it works. I dont minde being in the low numbers' country, but I do being in the No-help-land.
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Ram, out
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-22-2000).]
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RAM,
Got to tell ya. Knightland wasn't always like that. Things have changed. I'm sure there are still many knights that would of helped.
I would of jumped in the middle of your problem.
Be proud RAM, ya did one hell of a job against the odds. So don't be mad, be glad on the way you flew!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
JG2 needs you in good spirits! Cool! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
PS: I believe Hang was talkin about lack of skill of the knight pilots who left ya hangin!!
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Kirin-
S! for seeing what is/was an obvious problem. Most nights I log in to see 70-80 people on, half of them Rook. Not always that way, but usually so. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
3-side war only works if we use all 3 sides.
I am bouncing around all the countries right now- kind of feel like I should get to know everyone a little better (helps me out). I've been Bishop for a few days now, had been Knight before, suppose Rooks are next. Nothing against the Rooks, just hate to make it 41:20:19. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
RAM, you see the same thing everywhere. Chances are 5 of those 6 guys are new, and looking for there first kill. It is doubtful they even saw you, much less read the radio buffer at the time. I wouldn't condemn a whole country based on the actions of a few individuals. As we well know, every side has its volatile people. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Knights are individuals, I find. They also have some very good pilots. One thing is for sure, you never have to look far for the fight as a Knight! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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RAM, I beleive this hasn't got anything to do with countries...Bee and I switched to Rooks for a couple of nights this week end, because we were both disgusted about the Bishop org on thursday night...
It's just like flipping a coin, some days you have it, some days you don't...but it's true that it's verry frustrating once it happens...
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Saw/Saintaw
BISHOP'S FINEST FLYING BRICK
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/190s.gif)
186th Wardogs (Falcon4 Squad)
http://www.wardogs.org/ (http://www.wardogs.org/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Nope, kieren...I wont tell names but between those in the furball i see many that connect all days...
After watching the film I can tell u that the only one non squadmate who tried to help me was Bourbon. <S> guy and thank you VERY much. Also thks to Glasses and to SourKraut who also tried to get into the spit's 6...thanks a lot for helping.
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Hangtime : ROTFLOL!
RAM: Work thru it, I've been let down so many times over the last 10-11 years from AW to AH that it's not even funny anymore, but you know what? You actually will acquire better flying skills by preventing situations like the one you ended up in,you're already a damn good pilot for someone using a Flight Yoke to fly with (Hmm..me thinks you'll like P-38, it had a flight yoke!)...Unfortunately, the situation last night was simply bad timing on that last sortie you spoke of....some nights are better than others, I wouldn't let it get to you, if you do, you'll find yourself disgusted with on-line flight sims pretty fast!
Salute, RAM, and keep being aggresive, and avoid those 'type' of situations....peace Bro!
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/lrg0004.jpg)
"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Ram,
As your squadmate I'll will be the first to tell you... DON'T trust your countrymen ever... If you know the player and he is good then maybe trust em...Squadmates by all means trust.(too a degree, Never trust that Swager guy)
Also in the 190 if you had alt(5k or more) then dip the nose and get your speed past 400mph... at above 400mph you can easily out roll those Spits and Niks and disengage; your fw is faster than the spits and about the even with the Niki. If they blow one move you can escape... If they fly perfect you at least bought some time. Also while waiting for death be shure to log all the names of the dweebs who were too busy fighting over 1 kill... Then in the back of your mind when you see these people in a similiar situation ask yourself should I help this guy...I do all time...
now granted some people always help, Cobra, TS, comes to mind.. So in turn if I can save them or anyone else who is deserving I will..
What really bothers me is when I help someone clear their 6 and then for no reason, no communication, no nothing they run. This is bullshice... Creamo comes to mind here.(granted maybe creamo couldn't engage whatever, a simple "I'm RTB" would suffice for me to implement tactics accordingly.)
On 4 seperate occasions he has done this. So when I see Creamo in trouble and I can help him without danger to myself I will still gladly help him; but if there is danger to me or my other countrymen Creamo is the last one I'll save....
Now I have tried squeaking and yelling on country channel to no avail. I believe my current system is working better. People after awhile get the picture its a two way street.
So one more time I will say never trust your countrymen, most don't give 2 craps about your welfare. Now some do and those are the ones you trust...And of course your squad(that Swager guy ain't half bad after all, kidding earlier."Pick on Swager Day!! Has been decreed!!"
Regards,
DoctorYO
JG 2
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Hmm....
I understand the situation, what exactly is the problem? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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DoctorYo:
Outrolling a Niki and 2 Spits at the same time is a little hard to say the least. And In the power dive I got one aileron and elevator gone, so no chances to do that.
I agree with you in all the rest (exception made about Swager lol he is a nice guy!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and that just the point I was warning on. From now I'll only use the country channel to warn the people who deserves it...so those after the P51 yesterday may forget about me (I know all their names I had the film on), and so those who dont win my confidence. Thats all. thks for the post, DoctorYo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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Thanks Doc, I love ya ,man!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thank God the day is almost over! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang loose RAM! No doubt you'll see alot more of that. Just keep cool or it won't be fun anymore.
I've seen Weazel leave a firing set-up on a B-17 to help me. I got myself into trouble with a P51 while flying the FW190. Weazel did not hesitate. That's a squadmate for ya!! Prop, Doc, Rip, Sour, Ex-Bugster have all done it!
Early Beta, DocYO used to fly around me and collect all his kills shootin them off my ass! My bad flying and tactics always attracted bad guys like a magnet! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Knights like Bloom, Game, Dolo, Wolf37, Cobra, and many others will go out of there way to help, if they can. So don't worry and be happy!! It's all good!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS One of my most memorable kills was shooting Cobra off of DocYO's butt. Doc is screaming on the radio, "Shoot em, Swager, Shoot em!!" Cobra did everything in the book to keep on Doc and trying to evade me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 02-22-2000).]
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You are very welcome RAM and we shall fly in formation to kick some booty next time no dweebel spit will get in our way next.
Achtung Spitfire I'm coming!
-JG2-
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A *good* Spitfire (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/DTAS!.gif)
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
[This message has been edited by weazel (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Damnit Weazel, Stop pickin on the Spitfire! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My favorite ride ya know!!
Cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif) pitcure!!
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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Ram,
Doc, Swager, Glasses, (JG2 is a Class-act and a great squad) Hang,and Kieren have said it all very well, I couldn't add anymore! I take personal pride in trying to clear fellow country mates (its wierd, I know). I usually find those multiple bandits chasing down 1 guy are so target fixated that you can down 2 or 3 before the rest know you are there.
As for that fight Swager...I actually do remember that one...I remember thinking...come on..hold still... just a little more.. all the while also thinking...ok this guy on my six...please be blind, drunk and a bad shot, but none of those proved true in Swager's case and down I went in flames <S>.
It seems you may get more chances to flame me Swager, I've joined the Musketeer Escadrille (I've known these guys from my FA days, and am thrilled to finally be a part of the squad) so it looks like I'm a rook now. (unless/or until we decide to move).
So a BIG <S> to all the Knights I've had a chance to fly with over the past few weeks. All of you guys are great to wing with.
P.S. Why didn't anyone tell me earlier about this Swager Day thing....it seems I've missed out...hehe.
Also, Ram, I find this sort of thing comes and goes over a period of time. I just chalk it up and keep flying.
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Just call my name, and ill be there!
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Cobra,
What do ya mean ya joined the Musketeers?
Damn! I sent Weazel an e-mail about trying to bribe you in coming over to JG2. You belonged to the Flyin Elvis's and I didn't think you'd be lookin. I told Weaz we should try anyways.
Excuse my French but...... toejam!!!
Cobra, ya would of been an excellent addition to JG2! I don't wanna fly against ya, I wanna fly with ya!
If you ever think about changing PLEASE let JG2 know!!
I would try to talk ya out of it, but the Musketeers are a class act and they are probably estatic to have you!!
Have Fun Cobra and I'll see ya up!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
DRAT! Another opprotunity blown!!!
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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DoctorYo…
(A brief pause, as I shake my head.) Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Hmmm. Why do you even take the time to respond like that to RAM’s obviously emotion induced post ? He’s new, he’s frustrated, he will learn. Christ, he is sitting in front of a clumsy big plastic eyesore CH Products Flight Yoke for Christ’s sake crying that for the 100th time he attacked 3 higher 190’s he was in trouble. I understand him being frustrated, but you using an open forum to wack on me out of context, and out of the blue? Cheap. False too. Shame,shame. :0)
Your ignorance of me and what I’m doing online in any particular situation is only overshadowed by your lack of common sense and respect for players by posting these accusations without merit or finding out what was going on. I might even make a case that you got into that situation 4 “FOUR” times with me and didn’t learn and or message me?!!! Pretty improbable, or pretty stupid, or maybe even fabricated.
I have no recollection of the alleged 4 times I “ran away” and left you, nor will I justify your false statements and cheap attacks. Only to the point where I say they are very few Knights I haven’t bailed out, and I didn’t get 230 + deaths “running “ away. Ask a few, sheesh I fly enough they should know. I suck, but I fight, cuz it’s fun and it don’t hurt as bad as Kun Tao Kung Fu.. (That hurts…ouch) Aces High is a much better hobby.
Soooo, Shudup and fly!
(Plus, since you’re a Knight, I’ll always buy ya a buy you a beer. Now why would ya want to go screw up a good thing by trash smackin, lip flappin, a fellow Nit?)
Creamo
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Said by Creamo:
"Hmmm. Why do you even take the time to respond like that to RAM’s obviously emotion induced post ? He’s new, he’s frustrated, he will learn. Christ, he is sitting in front of a clumsy big plastic eyesore CH Products Flight Yoke for Christ’s sake crying that for the 100th time he attacked 3 higher 190’s he was in trouble. I understand him being frustrated"
Ahem...yes I'm new...yes I AM frustrated... yes I have a god-damned-yoke that serves for nothing, and yes,I have a poor computer and connection that gives me 15 FPS the best of the days.
But I want to make things clear,guy...when I am caught at low level in my 190 is because mainly 2 things, because after i take of I ALWAYS go to 15k at least and usually 20-25K in my poor climber 190. As I said here are the two:
A)i've just gone up from the field
B)I HAVE DIVED TO HELP SOMEONE.(80% times).
so Im a new here BUT IM NOT STUPID. maybe I am too happy thinking that because I care about other peoples' butt they'll care about mine (false as I saw yesterday) but that for sure changed yesterday.
About DoctorYO saying that about u...well I have no probes...but I can say a FACT...I NEVER heard you doinf a 6 call on other people...
I am young. I am new. I have a computer that sucks, and I am frustrated. But frustrated by people like u that don't care about their countrymen's "lifes",only about their butts; I'm not frustrated because someone wins me in a great fight.In fact,I love being ass-kicked if the kick is good enough!!!.
So next time measure your words,please. I'm not a stupid kid you can talk about in that way with me staying silent. Thanks.
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-22-2000).]
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I am new to this game as well. Let me say this. Most of the time in the Main Arena, I am so fixated on not getting blown out of the sky myself, that I am not skilled enough (yet) to see or help in the big picture. Heck, I spend most of my time tying to figure out where to go to get shot down properly....lol.
I am sure I will get better fast, and then I will make sure I am in position to help countrymen in need, but I wonder if any of those others chasing that P51 were like me?
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nope,they weren't. As I told before, the film is clear and says who was there. There was one guy who seems a newbie, but not the rest of the people.