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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tank-Ace on January 15, 2012, 04:02:46 PM
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Nashorn (pronounced Nahz-horn), a thinly armored, heavy hitting German tank destroyer from WWII. Lightly armored but heavily armed and highly manuverable. Generally well liked by their crews, due to their unmatched firepower, which allowed them to engage enemy armor from beyond the range of effective retaliation, and because of its superb manuverability, which was important on the Russian steepes, especially during the rasputitsa.
front sides rear
Hull armor: 30mm 20mm 20mm
Superstructure: 15mm 10mm 10mm
Armament: 8,8cm Pak 43/1 L'71, the anti-tank gun version of the Tiger II's KwK 43. 40 rounds of ammunition were carried.
Top speed: 42km/hr
Its a lightly armored, (probably) cheaply perked vehicle mounting the 88mm L'71. What more needs to be said?
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+1 pictures please?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Nashorn.Aberdeen.0007wakh.jpg)
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(http://battletanks.com/images/Nashorn-1.jpg)
(http://www.panzerworld.net/pictures/00121.jpg)
(http://battletanks.com/images/Nashorn-2.jpg)
(http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/nashorn.jpg)
(http://hosted.wargamer.com/Panzer/nashorn02.jpg)
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Thanks :salute . Looks like it would have poor visibility though
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Thanks :salute . Looks like it would have poor visibility though
Not entirely, the Nashorn was quite high, crew members stood up and had a 360 degree open view, It's best tactic was to sit on the back side of a hill, the height of the gun barrel, means only the Gun is visible to the enemy.
The Nashorn had a few Tank Aces, one which destroyed a T34/41 at over 1.5 miles away - the 88mm L/71 is the same gun used on the King Tiger.
No armor and 25mph speed, means you rely on the range of the gun vs speed and mobility.
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Not entirely, the Nashorn was quite high, crew members stood up and had a 360 degree open view, It's best tactic was to sit on the back side of a hill, the height of the gun barrel, means only the Gun is visible to the enemy.
The Nashorn had a few Tank Aces, one which destroyed a T34/41 at over 1.5 miles away - the 88mm L/71 is the same gun used on the King Tiger.
No armor and 25mph speed, means you rely on the range of the gun vs speed and mobility.
Thanks for the info!
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Thanks :salute . Looks like it would have poor visibility though
How so? It has an open turret
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Thanks :salute . Looks like it would have poor visibility though
Not real good Vis for the driver ... notice the hatch under the gun in the pics posted? That's where the driver entered ... He sat in a tight little nook and had a small slit to look thru, kind of like an OSTWIND ... It's a great gun. A usefull tank killer. It would probably have to be highly perked (think firefly) in order to keep the game balanced.
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Thanks for the info!
Here are some photos -
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/nashorn/nashorn.jpg)
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/nashorn/nashorn2.jpg)
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/nashorn/nashorn3.jpg)
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/nashorn/nashorn4.jpg)
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Not real good Vis for the driver ... notice the hatch under the gun in the pics posted? That's where the driver entered ... He sat in a tight little nook and had a small slit to look thru, kind of like an OSTWIND ... It's a great gun. A usefull tank killer. It would probably have to be highly perked (think firefly) in order to keep the game balanced.
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Ummm.... you realize that poor vizability for the driver isn't a unique feature among WWII tanks, correct? To get a good view, you really need to drive unbuttoned.
As for the perk price.... I see maybe 10. This thing has the armor of an M18, has a very high silouette (that means its difficult to hide), lacks a turret, and isn't even all that fast.
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Seems to me that another 88 gunned machine is the last thing the game needs.
How bout some of the earlier in the game tanks for North Africa or the Russian Front? Or even France 1940.
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Seems to me that another 88 gunned machine is the last thing the game needs.
How bout some of the earlier in the game tanks for North Africa or the Russian Front? Or even France 1940.
I agree, I would much rather see some MidWar tanks, specifically 1941-1942 at most.
the North African Campaign was always my highest interest, since we gained the Pz4-F, i'd love to see a Panzer IIIG, Crusader, Matilda.
Nice setup would be:
Panzer IIIG vs Crusader tank
Panzer4-F vs Matilda2
M3 Halftrack vs Sdkfz 251
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Ummm.... you realize that poor vizability for the driver isn't a unique feature among WWII tanks, correct? To get a good view, you really need to drive unbuttoned.
Sure, I also realise that ANY tank commander can climb on top of his vehicle, use his binoculars, and have EXCELLENT visibility.
When considering the issue of visibility, the important factors are Driver Visibility and Gunner Visibility ... when underfire. The Nashorn gunner was limited to a periscope used for observation and sighting which isn't particularly reliable. This isn't unique either.
As for the perk price.... I see maybe 10. This thing has the armor of an M18, has a very high silouette (that means its difficult to hide), lacks a turret, and isn't even all that fast.
The Firefly isn't all that fast either, and serves essentially the same role (LW). A comparable Perk Price is reasonable. If you're hoping to sneak this into MIDWAR? Forget it ! The Gun put's it in a class with the tiger and it should be perked accordingly.
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the North African Campaign was always my highest interest, since we gained the Pz4-F, i'd love to see a Panzer IIIG, Crusader, Matilda.
Nice setup would be: Panzer IIIG vs Crusader tank Panzer4-F vs Matilda2 M3 Halftrack vs Sdkfz 251
WHAT??? No Stuart ??? No Grant ??? oh, excuse me, they're AMERICAN ...
:angel:
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Yes, but the Firefly has a turret, and the ability to take SOME kind of a hit, even if not much, which is the point. The ONLY way the nashorn is similar to the firefly is that they both mount powerfull cannon, and are easier to destroy than most other tanks.
An M8 will wail the stuffing out of a Nashorn beause:
1) its a small fast target, which makes it hard to hit
2) the Nashorn can't take any kind of hit
3) it lacks a turret, and so has to rotate the hull to keep the M8 in the line of fire
And the Nashorn entered service in early 1943 as the Hornisse, a slightly modified version entered production in the second half of 1943, and the vehicle was simply renamed Nashorn by hitler in 1944. If we get this, it will be in midwar, probably for a very high perk price.
But the only reason it would be perked is because its gun is more than good enough to compensate for all of its weaknesses. And in late war, it doesn't have the firepower advantage exclusivly to itself. If it only mounted the Pak 42 L'70, I bet it wouldn't even be perked more than the M18.
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Butcher, I'm not an expert on the Panzer III or anything, but wouldn't a Panzer III J work better, because we could model both the 50mm L'48 and the 50mm L'60, which would give us both guns for setups with different guns, AND it would improve the MA use of the tank as well. Plus, if we got the J model with both 50mm cannons, all we would have to do is increase the frontal armor by 20mm and we would have an Ausf. L.
But still, I agree. I would love to see the Panzer III (Ausf.'s E, J, and L).