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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JUGgler on January 15, 2012, 04:47:35 PM
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What exactly is the reason for this opressive thing?
Is the reason, "was this way before"?
Is it to limit spiiiiiiiiies?
Is it to preserve CVs?
Is it to balance #s?
After painting 2 rooms yesterday, I thought I had set myself up for about 3-4 hours to drink and screw around in AH. 1st hour wasn't bad, I was gone somewhere in the following hour.
The bish side of things got sooo boring I had to leave, but not before I witnessed about 100 of the 140 bish online hording a port, which I might add had the VH down! :rofl :rofl
The irony is my squadies and I would have enthusiasticaly switched to oppose this horde, thereby balancing things just ever so slightly!
Sadly this was not possible :(
It would be great to see it go back to 1 hour at the minimum!
HiTech, it might be worth a "log in screen poll", not unlike the aircraft polling :rock :rock
JUGgler
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Your guys represent a small group that would approach the issue with honorable intentions, but would be vastly out-numbered by many of the same perk-point-chasing, side-switching pimple-faced whordlings that you're trying to fight off to begin with :bhead
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Your guys represent a small group that would approach the issue with honorable intentions, but would be vastly out-numbered by many of the same perk-point-chasing, side-switching pimple-faced whordlings that you're trying to fight off to begin with :bhead
Every one of the pimple faced, whatcha-ma-doodles deserve a good azz-whoopin for being alt-fairy, potatod-tarts.....just do the poll and see, please sir.
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Every one of the pimple faced, whatcha-ma-doodles deserve a good azz-whoopin for being alt-fairy, potatod-tarts.....just do the poll and see, please sir.
hmm... 'vote early and vote often'? I'm there!
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You'll go blind if you beat your horse. :old:
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Every one of the pimple faced, whatcha-ma-doodles deserve a good azz-whoopin for being alt-fairy, potatod-tarts.....just do the poll and see, please sir.
Poll it!!!! :rock
JUGgler
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I agree, poll it, I don't like the 12 hour rule what so ever, I couldn't give a $@!# about spies... but then again that's probably because Im a fighter jock, I just like to go around furballing etc... :D
I really hope HiTech polls it.... :pray
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Your guys represent a small group that would approach the issue with honorable intentions, but would be vastly out-numbered by many of the same perk-point-chasing, side-switching pimple-faced whordlings that you're trying to fight off to begin with :bhead
That's not matching my experience. Hordlings do not switch, they are very much "country-loyal" And if players switch sides to go to a vastly outnumbered side for farming the perks... well, that would be the ENY balancer doing it's work as it should :)
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That's not matching my experience. Hordlings do not switch, they are very much "country-loyal" And if players switch sides to go to a vastly outnumbered side for farming the perks... well, that would be the ENY balancer doing it's work as it should :)
lusche i used to work swing at the steel mill up until about 3 months ago when i go 1 week daylight and 1 week swing. swing ends at around 10 pm and since i dont work till 2 pm the next day I normally stay up till 3 or 4 in the morning. up until they changed the time to 12 hours I would see many people switch to the nightly vtard/alcoholic horde. it never failed around midnight pst almost every night.
nothing wrong with hording for however they want to spend their 15 bucks. but it was very frustrating flying with some guys and see them 2 minutes later as bishops. while the 12 hour hasnt stopped all of it and does do affect some cool players it does stop many dorks from just switching to whichever country is hording at that hour.
semp
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:x :x :x I got a pole for you!!!!! :x :x :x
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What exactly is the reason for this opressive thing?
Is the reason, "was this way before"?
Is it to limit spiiiiiiiiies?
Is it to preserve CVs?
Is it to balance #s?
After painting 2 rooms yesterday, I thought I had set myself up for about 3-4 hours to drink and screw around in AH. 1st hour wasn't bad, I was gone somewhere in the following hour.
The bish side of things got sooo boring I had to leave, but not before I witnessed about 100 of the 140 bish online hording a port, which I might add had the VH down! :rofl :rofl
The irony is my squadies and I would have enthusiasticaly switched to oppose this horde, thereby balancing things just ever so slightly!
Sadly this was not possible :(
It would be great to see it go back to 1 hour at the minimum!
HiTech, it might be worth a "log in screen poll", not unlike the aircraft polling :rock :rock
JUGgler
So what kept you from actually switching sides?
Did I miss the part where you had already switched in the last 12 hours?
Make it three or four hours. Who really needs to switch sides every hour?
wrongway
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So what kept you from actually switching sides?
Did I miss the part where you had already switched in the last 12 hours?
Make it three or four hours. Who really needs to switch sides every hour?
wrongway
It would be nice to have a much faster option, in particular when the numbers get so off, or the fights are dead. I know I enjoyed it when there would be a great fight going on between two bases. After a while the numbers would slide to one side, so we'd switch and come back up and fight the guys we'd been flying with just to keep the fight going and even it out again. No one seemed to mind that I can remember
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So what kept you from actually switching sides?
Did I miss the part where you had already switched in the last 12 hours?
Make it three or four hours. Who really needs to switch sides every hour?
Let me propose the following situation...
When some of your squaddies first log in, on the other side of the country/world country 'A' had the lest numbers, so they switched to country 'A'. Then squaddies between the first ones who logged in and you, then switched to be with the initial ones who logged in. By the time you log in, country 'A' has the most numbers and everyone is bored, now, you can either switch to be bored with your bored squaddies, or you can go to the low numbered side and not have the opportunity to fly with your friends....
you know what most do?... they log off and play BF3, and maybe try again the next day... bad for biz, bad for the game, bad for you
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It would be nice to have a much faster option, in particular when the numbers get so off, or the fights are dead. I know I enjoyed it when there would be a great fight going on between two bases. After a while the numbers would slide to one side, so we'd switch and come back up and fight the guys we'd been flying with just to keep the fight going and even it out again. No one seemed to mind that I can remember
I'm not arguing against switching. I just switched to rook because the numbers were 50/58/24.
Free Tiger2's :banana:
But I was the only one on in my squad and I know I won't be back for at least 12 hours from the tie I log off anyway.
I just don't see the need to switch every hour. The numbers don't move that dramatically that often and if waiting, say three hours, is too much then don't switch.
wrongway
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Let me propose the following situation...
When some of your squaddies first log in, on the other side of the country/world country 'A' had the lest numbers, so they switched to country 'A'. Then squaddies between the first ones who logged in and you, then switched to be with the initial ones who logged in. By the time you log in, country 'A' has the most numbers and everyone is bored, now, you can either switch to be bored with your bored squaddies, or you can go to the low numbered side and not have the opportunity to fly with your friends....
you know what most do?... they log off and play BF3, and maybe try again the next day... bad for biz, bad for the game, bad for you
damn and we have had over 500 people per night now. business is really bad :).
semp
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12 hour has my vote,in here and ingame
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So what kept you from actually switching sides?
Did I miss the part where you had already switched in the last 12 hours?
Make it three or four hours. Who really needs to switch sides every hour?
wrongway
I had switched from rook to bish when I 1st logged in,there was rook "green hordy" so I went bish.
Other than bj I've still yet to see anyone post why it is the way it is, what bennefit? What detriment does switching at will or after 1 hour pose to the community?
It's still very vague to me!
If it's spying then there are measures that can be put in place to mitigate it! What can't be mitigated ingame could never be solved in the 1st place, so might as well not worry about it.
Is it CV exploitation? Again there are measures that would help mitigate this also!
Is it game balance? :rofl From what I see the imbalance has nothing to do with how many folks are on each country, the imbalance occurs whether a country has #s or not.
BTW those who agree with the 12 hour time and care not to change country, don't have to ! :aok Those who prefer to switch when things get dull can only do it once in a gaming session, hence our choice is limited for us :(
JUGgler
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I think it should be 1 month before you can switch, first of every month then ya stay there.
:neener:
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I think it should be 1 month before you can switch, first of every month then ya stay there.
:neener:
... are you female?? :neener:
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"Hordlings do not switch, they are very much "country-loyal"
Citation Needed
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Citation Needed
I am the primary source, you can cite me :P
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My system would be:
12 hr switch time to the high # side (Since this 12 hr thing is some sort of established standard)
6 hr switch time to middle # side
1 hr switch time to low # side
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My system would be:
12 hr switch time to the high # side (Since this 12 hr thing is some sort of established standard)
6 hr switch time to middle # side
1 hr switch time to low # side
Hmm not a bad idea if it could be implemented.
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Or simply 4 hours across the board. :)
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Or simply 4 hours across the board. :)
Ofcourse the stat guy chimes in with the average
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Ofcourse the stat guy chimes in with the average
geometric mean :old:
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My system would be:
12 hr switch time to the high # side (Since this 12 hr thing is some sort of established standard)
6 hr switch time to middle # side
1 hr switch time to low # side
bet 1/2 your squad will still be bishop late at night. even with higher numbers :eek:. you guys were before when we only had 1 hour time limit, nothing wrong with that as you play the way you want to have fun just like everybody else :salute.
semp
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Bring back the 1 hour rule or try 2 hours even. Sheeesh. :(
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Poll it.
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geometric mean :old:
A poll will only yield your typical gaussian distribution with a small chance for a bi-modal distribution with a peak at 1 hour.
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bet 1/2 your squad will still be bishop late at night. even with higher numbers :eek:. you guys were before when we only had 1 hour time limit, nothing wrong with that as you play the way you want to have fun just like everybody else :salute.
semp
:lol
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bet 1/2 your squad will still be bishop late at night. even with higher numbers semp
And your wager would be?
you guys were before when we only had 1 hour time limitsemp
Now you're just lying. Shameful.
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I was on last night and changed over to fly with a couple of squaddies. Once they logged off some logged on to a different side that was then low number. I could not change over.
I ended up watching a show about jets on History 2.
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I was on last night and changed over to fly with a couple of squaddies. Once they logged off some logged on to a different side that was then low number. I could not change over.
I ended up watching a show about jets on History 2.
That's about how it goes. It is ridiculous. The only ones worried about the switch time being less-than 12 hours are the ones worried about winning the war, getting cheated and players married to chess pieces.
I'm more interested in who I am flying with, than for whom I am flying. I will fight for whatever chess piece I happen to be on at the time. I and many others have friends on other countries that I enjoy flying with but the 12 switch has limited me as to how often I can do that. I prefer to fly with squaddies but, in the event that there are none on when I log on, I used to like to switch to fly with others confident in the fact that, if squaddies logged on, it was going to be less than an hour before I could go rejoin them.
Sadly, this option has been eliminated from the choices that I am allowed to make. This is evidenced by the ever-declining amount of time that I have spent in-game since the 12-hour rule was re-implemented.
Anyone worried about cheaters, perks, score, winning teh warz, etc has really got to get a grip on reality. Be loyal, honorable and competitive in some real-life situation. Go out and marvel at the big orange ball in the sky. It is apparent that you haven't been spending enough time underneath it.
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Anyone worried about cheaters, perks, score, winning teh warz, etc has really got to get a grip on reality. Be loyal, honorable and competitive in some real-life situation. Go out and marvel at the big orange ball in the sky. It is apparent that you haven't been spending enough time underneath it.
Dude. You clearly are not goal-oriented.
- oldman
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Dude. You clearly are not goal-oriented.
- oldman
I do brake for Moose now, however :D
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Dude. You clearly are not goal-oriented.
- oldman
Oh I'd say he is..... his goal is to fly with good folks and have fun. Works for me.
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Dude. You clearly are not goal-oriented.
- oldman
Clearly your priorities are FUBAR
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2 Hours. The win or lose of the map seems to generally take place in a matter of an hour. AS soon as folks start jumping ship for win the war perkies. I like Grizz's idea, however the sides flip around numbers wide throught the day. During the day, every country has a low # moment (my observation). Generally when I log on I go to the low number side if none of my squaddies are on.
Poll it!
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poll it
2 hrs
4 hrs
6 hrs
12 hrs
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poll it
2 hrs
4 hrs
6 hrs
12 hrs
poll the sheep too, most guys want them added.
semp
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poll it
2 hrs
4 hrs
6 hrs
12 hrs
POLL IT!
No limit
1 hour
3 hours
6 hours
12 hours
JUGgler
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Don't care, don't switch countries. Maybe if there were a way for a CO to change countries for the whole squad more frequently. Guys like the few do this already and nobody accuses them of any underhanded bs. Well aside from noobs who don't know any better.
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I do brake for Moose now, however :D
I suddenly think I might be better at fishing than moosing. Caught a couple of suprisingly big ones right away.
- oldman
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I suddenly think I might be better at fishing than moosing. Caught a couple of suprisingly big ones right away.
- oldman
Bumper stickers can be dangerous. Moose can't read. :P
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Hmm not a bad idea if it could be implemented.
Idk why it couldn't be. Can you program to check which side has the least # of players at any given time? Yes. Can you see what Country the player requesting a country change is? Yes. Do you know how long he has been on that Country? Yes. Based on those conditions, the system can check to see if he is allowed to switch sides yet.
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Some of this is the problem with chess piece loyalty and it's influence on the general fun health of the game over time.
Human nature is to create communities and be loyal to that community. Individual players will stay with a country becasue they have freinds who stay with that country. Squads are the epitome of community loyalty in a microcosm. By the nature of giving loyalty to the squad the matter of the chess peice will more often be the prefernce of the squad leadership. Squad leaders will stay loyal to either freinds in a chess peice or feel a stronger affliation to a given chess peice.
To cut the usualy muppet misdirection off at this point. The muppets are loyal to a phlosophy of gaining as much personal enjoyment as possible at the rest of the player communities expense by shooting them down in the most humilliating ways possible. Thats why if they were the only players granted it, changing sides at will like in the DA would have no detrimental effect to game play. As semp pointed out though, they are more loyal to the current good fight they are in than the PR canard foisted onto the community that they care about balancing sides.
With 12 hour side changing, lazy human nature is exploited for the health of the community. It becomes habit for a base number to simply stay loyal to a chess peice than try to hop sides. The odds are that base number will be on during peak hours with something fun to do and forget about side changing. With infrequent side changing the personal atitiudes to those who are perceived to break the loyalty are deminished and the toxic environment of all three chess peices across ch200/Forums is kept to an acceptable level. Even in a game, suspicion as in real life eventualy becomes toxic to the cohesion of a community and begins to tear apart the basis for having fun together.
Then in the arenas and here in the forum that toxic atitiude as it has in the past will be on display feeding itself. And there will be gleefull help by those addicted to humiliating the thin skined even if their complaints are accurate and justified obsrvations to the truth of the growing toxicity screwing the community. Any of you players who have been around at least 10 years have seen this toxicity repeat itself along with purposefull help from the addicted.
Complicate choice isn't it? The health of the community or your short term desires. Which choice do you think Hitech will make? When you can answer that poll then come back to this one.
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To cut the usualy muppet misdirection off at this point. The muppets are loyal to a phlosophy of gaining as much personal enjoyment as possible at the rest of the player communities expense by shooting them down in the most humilliating ways possible.
:rofl
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:rofl
Next, on Geraldo, Secrets behind the Muppet Mythos :aok
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Next, on Geraldo, Secrets behind the Muppet Mythos :aok
ahh Bustr you give us too much credit.
I'm still waiting for the release of "The Interpretation of Muppets" or " The Mego and the Mid". As for the toxic section, most squads are loyal to their squad, and that is as far as it goes. Is it toxic to regularly play pick-up games of soccer at the park, sometimes with/sometimes against your friends? Are you no longer friends because you played against them?
Maybe some just take it too seriously...
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POLL IT!
No limit
1 hour
3 hours
6 hours
12 hours
JUGgler
3 hours
wrongway
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This post attempting to force and coerce Hitech to concede the time limit via community preassure is a preaty good measurment of how seriously the OP and his supporters take this game as a source for their short term feel good fix. The attempt at adjusting the social dynamic of this game against the choice of the owner demonstrates a lack of long term consideration to the owners experience. This is not a group of people being laid back in response to the direction of this environment's out come in the face of past meldowns.
From experience, this group enjoyed the past toxic community meltdowns for the higher feel good fixes that resulted. Even if the results for the overall community were toxic to it's future. Conan comes to mind in this respect:
"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
It's easier for you guys to find another game if this one blows up than it is for Hitech to stabalise the community from poor choice driven meltdowns.
The innocent "Moi!!" factor is getting a bit old from you guys after all these years. Kinda like old lady's of the night in bad makeup on the side of the road swearing they are still 16.
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Again, Bustr,
Many posted in here who were not in the muppets but who also wanted the side switch time to be reduced...
1)Snailman
2)Shuffler
3)Redbull
4)CorkyJr
5)Snuggie
etc...
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AS soon as folks start jumping ship for win the war perkies.
Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth .. you CAN NOT collect "Win the Warz" perks switching to the winning side just before the win. You have to be part of the winning country for a 12 hour time period to collect the perks.
So for all those people who freak out thinking that the switch time should not be changed thinking that those that switch will get perks ... relax ... they will get nada, but will most likely enjoy a HUGE ENY spanking.
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Again, Bustr,
Many posted in here who were not in the muppets but who also wanted the side switch time to be reduced...
1)Snailman
2)Shuffler
3)Redbull
4)CorkyJr
5)Snuggie
6)SlapShot
etc...
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ahh Bustr you give us too much credit.
I'm still waiting for the release of "The Interpretation of Muppets" or " The Mego and the Mid". As for the toxic section, most squads are loyal to their squad, and that is as far as it goes. Is it toxic to regularly play pick-up games of soccer at the park, sometimes with/sometimes against your friends? Are you no longer friends because you played against them?
Maybe some just take it too seriously...
what do you mean "we" the muppets didnt you quit and formed your own squad? the drunken church ladies? never mind that reminds me of what somebody did to one of our wings.
semp
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what do you mean "we" the muppets didnt you quit and formed your own squad? the drunken church ladies? never mind that reminds me of what somebody did to one of our wings.
When I quit the pigs no wings were disbanded. The third wing disbanded when the CO of that wing left, which was not me. And no, everyone in the DCL is in the muppets.
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Again, Bustr,
Many posted in here who were not in the muppets but who also wanted the side switch time to be reduced...
1)Snailman
2)Shuffler
3)Redbull
4)CorkyJr
5)Snuggie
etc...
So...
I'm just an etc, now?
:cry
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This post attempting to force and coerce Hitech to concede the time limit via community preassure is a preaty good measurment of how seriously the OP and his supporters take this game as a source for their short term feel good fix. The attempt at adjusting the social dynamic of this game against the choice of the owner demonstrates a lack of long term consideration to the owners experience. This is not a group of people being laid back in response to the direction of this environment's out come in the face of past meldowns.
The owner has always done a very fair job of listening to input from the community that has made sense...at least in my experience here. Remember Bustr, the owner has changed the time frames on numerous occasions and from what comments I've seen, he doesn't appear to be someone that is forced or coerced to do a thing. If i were him and i read that, I wouldnt feel lke that was a compliment. Knowing that fact, as I'm quite certain you do, makes your commentary sound biased in self interest because I'm almost certain that you don't know the owner well enough to cite his personal and/or business choices or how he may have arrived at those decisions.
As its been noted already, several veterans would like the change made for the simple reason that it enables the possibility of numerically-stable gameplay. Your disagreement with that leaves me to believe your motivation isn't about the lack of affect it would have on generating even play, but enabling the continuation of un-impeded hoarding/base rolling.
If that is not the case, please state what your motivation actually is and I will gladly stand corrected...
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I think it should be 1 month before you can switch, first of every month then ya stay there.
^^^^^^^^^ THIS
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I am the primary source, you can cite me :P
Provide subtantiated facts.
Provide substantiated hard data based on facts.
Provide something other than anectdotal "In my opinion", or "In my experience".
Those are not based on fact or data.
Thanks.
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Might as well Lock this one, Changeup one upped you Juggler and made a bigger, badder, better thread. :devil
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Might as well Lock this one, Changeup one upped you Juggler and made a bigger, badder, better thread. :devil
Well that's poopy, I pave the road he collects the toll :(
Obviously I'm doing it wrong
damn stinky chum
JUGgler
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Provide subtantiated facts.
Provide substantiated hard data based on facts.
Provide something other than anectdotal "In my opinion", or "In my experience".
Those are not based on fact or data.
Thanks.
there is no data/facts either pro or against. even those who claim they switch to lower number cant prove it.
semp
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there is no data/facts either pro or against.
Facts do exist, they are just not available. HTC servers probably log the numbers.
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there is no data/facts either pro or against. even those who claim they switch to lower number cant prove it.
semp
Just as there are no facts, nor data to prove your BS claims that everyone switches to the high numbered side.
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Just as there are no facts, nor data to prove your BS claims that everyone switches to the high numbered side.
but the fact remains, that I can't stop looking at your avatar.
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Motorboat! :lol
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Just as there are no facts, nor data to prove your BS claims that everyone switches to the high numbered side.
no i didnt say everybody switches to the high numbered side. i said lots of people or most will switch to horde with whoever country was hording at the time. that we wre able to see last year.
semp
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Motorboat! :lol
:rofl would be so much nicer than work
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no i didnt say everybody switches to the high numbered side. i said lots of people or most will switch to horde with whoever country was hording at the time. that we wre able to see last year.
semp
Facts or data to support this? Don't bother, you can't. That hasn't stopped you from posting the same argument in every single side switch thread.
Total BS.
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Facts or data to support this? Don't bother, you can't. That hasn't stopped you from posting the same argument in every single side switch thread.
Total BS.
well name one fact that has been posted on the pro argument.
semp
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well name one fact that has been posted on the pro argument.
semp
FACT: semp is a picker :)
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How about 3 hrs? Better than 12, still not ideal.
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FACT: semp is a picker :)
misleading as it's only 1/2 truth. I am also a vulcher.
semp
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Might as well Lock this one, Changeup one upped you Juggler and made a bigger, badder, better thread. :devil
BOOM! Lock it up! haHA!
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I am the primary source, you can cite me :P
Provide subtantiated facts.
Provide substantiated hard data based on facts.
Provide something other than anectdotal "In my opinion", or "In my experience".
Those are not based on fact or data.
Thanks.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Anyone else want popcorn?