Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: davidwales on January 16, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
-
The Germans had a great aircraft that could have matched any aircraft alied aircraft ever had it was the me 209 , it could have matched spit in any speed , does anyone agree the me 262 should be replaced by the me 209 which was a piston aircraft , and much faster .
-
About everything in that post is plain wrong :)
-
The Germans had a great aircraft that could have matched any aircraft alied aircraft ever had it was the me 209 , it could have matched spit in any speed , does anyone agree the me 262 should be replaced by the me 209 which was a piston aircraft , and much faster .
There has never been a piston aircraft faster than the Me262. Some turboprops have been faster, but those run on turbines, not pistons.
The Me209 was not, so far as I know, more than a test and record generating platform. Certainly it wasn't a fighter.
-
I thought the 209 was a aircraft originally designed to beat the spitfire originally a race air craft as the original spit was classed as a seagull with boots and 209 was designed to better it's speed with sponsons attached rather than undercarriage and 262 was the first jet fighter which Was much slower , might be wrong though .?
-
The Me209 was not, so far as I know, more than a test and record generating platform. Certainly it wasn't a fighter.
Tehre were two entirely different planes with the name "Me 209", the one was the record plane, and another was a fighter prototype... which wasn't discontinued because it had been as awsesome as david is trying to make us believe ;)
-
It was in production but not used during 1944 it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky
-
It was in production but not used during 1944 it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky
Please, do us a favor and read up on the Me 209. :)
-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_209
-
Well did you the 262 was equipped with the first air to air missiles I've read a bit about the 209 it was a race aircraft and could get up to 500 mph it was a piston aircraft , there was a faster aircraft the Germans had was the dornia 334 it was a duel prop aircraft able to get up to speeds of 550 mph which was very fast , and I hasten to add that the 262 did see action with it's air to air rockets 24 in fact 12. Each side so we should wish for this which would be brilliant in shooting down buffs at distance .
-
I propose you read up more than just a bit, and that you check any numbers or facts you present before posting.
Your posts in this thread have the highest factual error density I have seen on this board for a long time... :uhoh
-
The Supermarine 224 was completely unrelated to the Type 300 other than the fact that it was to carry the name "Spitfire" which the Type 300 eventually did. The 224 was canceled because it had inadequate performance. Certainly no German aircraft was ever designed to "beat" it.
-
It was in production but not used during 1944 it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky
You're on a roll kid, keep hammering 'em when you got 'em on the ropes!
ack-ack
-
i like that name :salute
-
The Supermarine 224 was completely unrelated
Not COMPLETELY unrelated ... It was part of the design series that streched from the S6b Schnyder Cup race plane (world record 1929 407mph). To the Spit 1 ... I suspect it's the famous S6b That DW was refering to ... NOT AT ALL a spitfire at that stage, but it's ancestor ... The knowledge gained from building it's successors eventually DID lead to the Spitfire 1 -AND- The RR Merlin Engine.
The Original ME 209 -DID- set a world record at 469 MPH, but that was 10 years later in 1939. Quite a bit slower than a 262. The Nazis attempted to capitalize on the record by associating the plane with the ME109 fighter (which was actually an EARLIER design). Interestingly, the 209s Speed Record STOOD (for piston engine aircraft) for 30 years and wasn't beaten until 1969, by a highly modified F8F Bearcat. Also interestingly ... the DO-335 (which I THINK may be what David was refering to?) was tested at 474 MPH, but never underwent the official speed trials required for a World Record (due to the confusion as the war ended.)
SOME people need to lighten up a tad I'd say ?
:uhoh
-
Wow :aok
just....
Wow :rofl
-
Your posts in this thread have the highest factual error density I have seen on this board for a long time... :uhoh
:aok
-
209? :huh
I had to look it up on the luftwaffe-experten BBS and they do not even talk about it. Must be not that important.
-
yes thats the aircraft it had two props one rear and front , i thought the 262 could only manage 450 mph :airplane:
-
yes thats the aircraft it had two props one rear and front , i thought the 262 could only manage 450 mph :airplane:
Do 335?
-
yes thats the aircraft it had two props one rear and front , i thought the 262 could only manage 450 mph
550 mph ... for the 262. There was a recent thread on the DO 335, you can find it with the search box if you're interested. Fascinating Plane!
:cool:
-
Yes found it didn't realise 262 was so quick , did you see that howitzer they tried on the 262 :airplane:
-
Yes found it didn't realise 262 was so quick , did you see that howitzer they tried on the 262 :airplane:
I believe it was a 50mm. Not quite a howitzer. It was still a total failure...
-
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/threadfail.jpg)
-
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/threadfail.jpg)
:lol :rofl :banana:
-
Starting to think maybe more like this...
(http://bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mascot-fail.gif)
-
Thats a good one lol , I find aircraft fascinating that's how I know loads of stuff about them :aok
-
Thats a good one lol , I find aircraft fascinating that's how I know loads of stuff about them :aok
We need to hook you up with our resident Bronies. :aok
-
Thats a good one lol , I find aircraft fascinating that's how I know loads of stuff about them :aok
What you think you know is a load, alright...
-
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/threadfail.jpg)
ROFL...
-
We need to hook you up with our resident Bronies. :aok
Shane, you slayed me with this one :rofl Perfect fit!
-
Yes found it didn't realise 262 was so quick , did you see that howitzer they tried on the 262 :airplane:
I think that's the same gun we MAY ? soon have in the ME 410 when it's added to the game.
:x
-
yes thats the hornet duel prop , predester of the 110 , that would a great aircraft knocking out ordbunkers etc , what payload did it have besides the howitzer :headscratch:
-
yes thats the hornet duel prop , predester of the 110 , that would a great aircraft knocking out ordbunkers etc , what payload did it have besides the howitzer :headscratch:
spell-check kaput?
-
yes my spelling not good but accurate :aok
-
yes thats the hornet duel prop , predester of the 110 , that would a great aircraft knocking out ordbunkers etc , what payload did it have besides the howitzer
The 410 is primarily a bomber interceptor ... The "Howitzer" could be used to kill bombers from outside the range of their defensive fire. It's -Under Construction - and should be added to the game soon. It also had some Standard Aircraft Cannon 20mm? 30mm? Don't know about any FB variants.
:angel:
-
well im glad to speak to some one who likes progress , there are a few in the forum who dont like new ideas , nobody likes change , but the 410 sounds great 375 mph was its top end speed wasnt it ??? :salute
-
there are a few in the forum who dont like new ideas ,
You noticed that ...? :lol Don't pay any attention to them, when they get abusive - report them to the moderator - there's a button at the bottom of every message for that. His name is skuzzy and he moves in mysterious ways ...
but the 410 sounds great 375 mph was its top end speed wasnt it ???
I'm not sure what the top speed was, I know they had a night fighter version of it too.
:)
-
thank you evz i know you are a proper gent , i am not taking any notice of any nasty remarks , you seem to know a great deal , what do you think of my idea regarding the f7f tigercat , do you think it would have a purpouse in aces high :salute
-
what do you think of my idea regarding the f7f tigercat , do you think it would have a purpouse in aces high
There are a lot of people who like that plane, it had AWESOME potential, but never got used in the war. Kind of like the DO 335. You might check out the recent " 1946 " thread that asked for a special WHAT IF arena where the war DID NOT END in 1945 and aircraft like the F7F and F8F WERE in use.
:aok
-
Thanks evz i thought it seen service in 1944 , but im proberly wrong have you got a link for this aircraft , if it never saw service then htc cant introduce it , but i do appreciate your interest , i know the japs had a sea plane that was used ww2 cant think of its name only it was launched from a small ship , i spoke with a person once who was in coastal command and he was in a sunderland flying boat but they were out to kill surficed u boats in the western approaches in the uk , my grandfather was on hms couragious that was torpedoed , in this area think it was u 29 , he survived but would not speak about the event , apart from saying he swallowed lots of oil , which prob killed him from lung disease , this ship was later reclassed as a killer sub , the sister ship hms glorious was sunk in hong kong i think by another uboat , the swordfish aboard were on exercise at the time of attack of couragious , and was put in dock at liverpool 5 days prior to sinking to have paravanes fitted for mines , it had 4 destroyers attached but 2 left leaving it alone hms ivanhoe and intrepid ithink , i do think you have a very good knoledge of aircraft , in this era :aok
-
Great now every one thinks us welsh are thicko's . thanks
-
David.
Me209 never saw service. One was a prototype fighter, the othe was built to break speed records (its records were broken by some WWII prop fighters). Neither were racers, and neither were built as a counter to the Supermarine Spitfire.
The Me 262 was faster
No WWII prop fighter was faster than the Me 262, and only the Me 163 Komet was faster
The Bf 109 was the first fighter to use air to air rockets, IIRC (WGr21's).
The Bf110 came BEFORE the Me 410, that makes the Bf 110 the Me410's predecesor, not the other way around.
No WWII aircraft ever carried a 'howitzer'. Some, however, were armed with modified tank guns, or high caliber AA guns. But a howitzer is a different type of gun.
The Me 410 was simply called hornisse (hornet in german) it was never called the 'twin hornet'
Saying EVZ knows a 'great deal' is stretching a point. He knows a lot of his own BS, but not much else.
I'm not sure, but by the reciprocal arse-kissing being done by EVZ and david, I would venture a guess that one of the two is a shade.
-
Great now every one thinks us welsh are thicko's . thanks
You're NOT? :lol Seriously, we all KNOW you are Rare-brits ... :rofl
-
David.
Me209 never saw service. One was a prototype fighter, the othe was built to break speed records (its records were broken by some WWII prop fighters). Neither were racers, and neither were built as a counter to the Supermarine Spitfire.
The Me 262 was faster
No WWII prop fighter was faster than the Me 262, and only the Me 163 Komet was faster
The Bf 109 was the first fighter to use air to air rockets, IIRC (WGr21's).
The Bf110 came BEFORE the Me 410, that makes the Bf 110 the Me410's predecesor, not the other way around.
No WWII aircraft ever carried a 'howitzer'. Some, however, were armed with modified tank guns, or high caliber AA guns. But a howitzer is a different type of gun.
The Me 410 was simply called hornisse (hornet in german) it was never called the 'twin hornet'
Saying EVZ knows a 'great deal' is stretching a point. He knows a lot of his own BS, but not much else.
I'm not sure, but by the reciprocal arse-kissing being done by EVZ and david, I would venture a guess that one of the two is a shade.
More like tweedle dee and tweedle dumb~ the shade thing seems like a stretch.
Good summary on the other points~
-
http://movieclips.com/WKEv-raging-bull-movie-i-couldve-been-a-contender/ <---- the 209 if it was human
-
You're on a roll kid, keep hammering 'em when you got 'em on the ropes!
ack-ack
:rofl
-
David.
Me209 never saw service. One was a prototype fighter, the othe was built to break speed records (its records were broken by some WWII prop fighters). Neither were racers, and neither were built as a counter to the Supermarine Spitfire.
The Me 262 was faster
No WWII prop fighter was faster than the Me 262, and only the Me 163 Komet was faster
The Bf 109 was the first fighter to use air to air rockets, IIRC (WGr21's).
The Bf110 came BEFORE the Me 410, that makes the Bf 110 the Me410's predecesor, not the other way around.
No WWII aircraft ever carried a 'howitzer'. Some, however, were armed with modified tank guns, or high caliber AA guns. But a howitzer is a different type of gun.
The Me 410 was simply called hornisse (hornet in german) it was never called the 'twin hornet'
Saying EVZ knows a 'great deal' is stretching a point. He knows a lot of his own BS, but not much else.
I'm not sure, but by the reciprocal arse-kissing being done by EVZ and david, I would venture a guess that one of the two is a shade.
:D
-
thank you tank ace , i know the me 410 attacked b17s so it does have a place in this discussion thank you for all your info , i dont know why some one who lives in my country is so bitter , this is a wishlist not a place as once i thought to take bad views regarding other issues and it is good to listen and help other persons ideas :salute
-
wow.... you may want to actually take the time to learn about whats already in the game and is going to be added to the game before you start making wishes.
The Me 410 doesn't have any place in this argument (I have no idea how you managed to get that brought up in a thread where the main point is on speed either, so you win the "wtf :headscratch:" award, congrats on that btw) because its already being added and it has nothing in common with the Me 209 besides the manufacturer.
And while your run-on scentences, lack of capitalization are making it hard for me to completly understand you, I get the impresion that you're saying I'm bitter, and that I (or we, as in the BBS population as a whole, not quite sure on that) should be more tolerant of ignorance. To that I say two things:
1) You've completly slaughtered at least 8 relativly well known (at least among WWII buffs) facts in the space of less than a day, and that number is just taken from skimming through this thread. I didn't even check to make sure I got all of them. If you don't bother to use google, you're going to get brief, blunt answers at best.
2) We are pretty tolerant of ignorance. If you ask, almost everyone on the forums would be more than glad to help. But you didn't ask. You made a truck load of incorrect statments that clearly aren't backed up by even a quick glance at wikipedia (one of the scorned web sources here on the forums).
At the very least, go look at wikipedia before you post 'info' on anything. If what wiki says differs from what you think you know, then go quadruple check with 3 other non-forum or publicly edited website.
-
The Bf 109 was the first fighter to use air to air rockets, IIRC (WGr21's).
:O !!!
Gee ... I guess those WWI biplanes using rockets against Zeppelins and Observation Balloons ... don't count ?
:headscratch:
I'm not sure, but by the reciprocal arse-kissing being done by EVZ and david, I would venture a guess that one of the two is a shade.
Unless? I'm mistaken ? David lives about 1/2 way around the world from me ??? Dave ?
-
WOW..... if you think that you can't lie when you voluntarily state where you are in a forum profile, then theres no helping you.
However, you ARE correct about the WWI rockets, I wasn't thinking about WWI.
-
WOW..... if you think that you can't lie when you voluntarily state where you are in a forum profile, then theres no helping you.
? Not sure WHAT where -I- am has to do with anything ...? -I- am in Tucson Az ... as it states under my Avatar over there on the left. Just outside it actually, 4th cotton patch to the NW, kind of in Between Pinal Air Park, home of Ever Green Aircraft (one of the largest privately owned collections of Operational Warbirds in the world) and The Pima Air & Space Museum ... Which is located near Davis Monthan AFB ... You know what they DO at Davis Monthan don't you ???
However, you ARE correct about the WWI rockets, I wasn't thinking about WWI.
My apologies, I wasn't reading your mind when I read that ...
:bolt:
-
? Not sure WHAT where -I- am has to do with anything ...? -I- am in Tucson Az ... as it states under my Avatar over there on the left. Just outside it actually, 4th cotton patch to the NW, kind of in Between Pinal Air Park, home of Ever Green Aircraft (one of the largest privately owned collections of Operational Warbirds in the world) and The Pima Air & Space Museum ... Which is located near Davis Monthan AFB ... You know what they DO at Davis Monthan don't you ???
And you think people can't put whatever they want for their location? Some people have their location as 'hell', or writen in Hungarian. You could say you were from Tucson AZ, and really be from Main, and as long as you did your research and never got caught in a lie, nobody would know.
-
wow.... you may want to actually take the time to learn about whats already in the game and is going to be added to the game before you start making wishes.
The Me 410 doesn't have any place in this argument (I have no idea how you managed to get that brought up in a thread where the main point is on speed either, so you win the "wtf :headscratch:" award, congrats on that btw) because its already being added and it has nothing in common with the Me 209 besides the manufacturer.
And while your run-on scentences, lack of capitalization are making it hard for me to completly understand you, I get the impresion that you're saying I'm bitter, and that I (or we, as in the BBS population as a whole, not quite sure on that) should be more tolerant of ignorance. To that I say two things:
1) You've completly slaughtered at least 8 relativly well known (at least among WWII buffs) facts in the space of less than a day, and that number is just taken from skimming through this thread. I didn't even check to make sure I got all of them. If you don't bother to use google, you're going to get brief, blunt answers at best.
2) We are pretty tolerant of ignorance. If you ask, almost everyone on the forums would be more than glad to help. But you didn't ask. You made a truck load of incorrect statments that clearly aren't backed up by even a quick glance at wikipedia (one of the scorned web sources here on the forums).
At the very least, go look at wikipedia before you post 'info' on anything. If what wiki says differs from what you think you know, then go quadruple check with 3 other non-forum or publicly edited website.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
And Wikipedia is down today can't do a thing unless you speak another language.
-
So what would the 75mm on the B25H be considered? It was not a tanks "Gun", it was not a Cannon, and not a mortar. What would you call it?
-
So what would the 75mm on the B25H be considered? It was not a tanks "Gun", it was not a Cannon, and not a mortar. What would you call it?
The T13E1 was a cannon.
ack-ack
-
The T13E1 was a cannon.
ack-ack
yup.
-
Complete opposite style of humor as Neubob and Drunky, but some how just as hilarious.
-
And you think people can't put whatever they want for their location? Some people have their location as 'hell', or writen in Hungarian. You could say you were from Tucson AZ, and really be from Main, and as long as you did your research and never got caught in a lie, nobody would know.
Well ... maybe you should google me ... Look me up in the phone book ... Ask the Governors office about me ?
:aok
-
I think DaddyKev needs to get in here and get naked...
-
I think DaddyKev needs to get in here and get naked...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
-
anyway back to the me 209 , i know evz is a wealth of knowledge and all your information is very much appreciated the he -11 could have been another aircraft that may have taken its place had production not been stopped :airplane:
-
First flight 1 August 1938
Number built 4
Nope wasn't in production.
-
The T13E1 was a cannon.
ack-ack
A..Ha! for some reason, don't ask me why, I thought it was a derivative of the 75mm Pack Howitzer. I did not know it was a lighter version of the same 75mm Gun on the Sherman et al. To be clear, in the army we define artillery armaments into three categories, Mortars, Howitzers, and Cannon. The categories are based on their trajectories. A tank has a "Gun", not a cannon. Once mounted in an airplane, I really did not know where it would fall in nomenclature wise. Thanks. :aok
-
This thread is absurd... :confused: