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Title: changing vw belt
Post by: CAP1 on January 16, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
 found this on another forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: phatzo on January 16, 2012, 06:56:46 PM
lol neat
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Post by: oakranger on January 16, 2012, 06:57:17 PM
found this on another forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA&feature=player_embedded

Ha, that is great.  Now, lets see if they can do the same to a 2000 Jeep.   :lol
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Post by: dunnrite on January 16, 2012, 06:59:28 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to just pull the motor?
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Post by: Seanaldinho on January 16, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
Almost once the brackets and tins are off its like four bolts to pull the engine.
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Post by: DREDIOCK on January 17, 2012, 06:24:31 AM
Ahh. That was back in the day when engineers designed stuff with the realization that they would at some point have to be either repaired or maintained. LOL
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Post by: Shuffler on January 17, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
lol the old VW was an odd machine. We had one that was an autoshift which was rare in the US.

One morning the car would not go into reverse. Had it towed to the local VW place and it turned out to be a fuse.
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Post by: ozrocker on January 17, 2012, 09:17:26 AM
Love old bugs. You don't "Drop a motor" in it, you drop it out of it.
Jack the car up to take motor out from underneath :rofl
Not hard to do at all, just funny in manner of doing it.
They always needed valve jobs. A great heater/defroster :rolleyes: (You only caught
heat that came off of motor).
Used to start old bugs with small screwdriver.
With the older bugs that have ignition on console,
you can start car with anything that will fit in key slot. :rofl                                                             
You can drive them ANYWHERE :rofl We used to take them through fields,
mud, hills, woods. And when you get stuck, it's nothing to pull/push you out.
My youngest Daughter Sam (20), has a Purple 99 Bug. It's 100% her.
I saw it, had to buy it for her. She's had it for about 2 years                                                                                                                               
Nice car but expensive for repairs.
                                                                                                                             :cheers: Oz
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Post by: Shuffler on January 17, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
The new bug holds nothing on the old bug.

They sure seemed to be popular for awhile.

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Post by: VonMessa on January 17, 2012, 09:31:29 AM
The new bug holds nothing on the old bug.

They sure seemed to be popular for awhile.



Nothing at all...
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Post by: PFactorDave on January 17, 2012, 09:59:18 AM
One of my brothers has had numerous VWs over the years.  I remember him rebuilding the engine on his first bug.  Jacked it up and dropped the engine out of it.  Picked it up and carried it to the workbench.  Rebuilt it.  Then carried it back to the car and put it back together.

All on a Saturday afternoon.  He drove the car to pick up his girl friend that evening.
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Post by: Shuffler on January 17, 2012, 11:28:51 AM
One of my brothers has had numerous VWs over the years.  I remember him rebuilding the engine on his first bug.  Jacked it up and dropped the engine out of it.  Picked it up and carried it to the workbench.  Rebuilt it.  Then carried it back to the car and put it back together.

All on a Saturday afternoon.  He drove the car to pick up his girl friend that evening.

Was amazing how much aftermarket performance parts were available too. I fell over the first time I saw a bug run 10's at the track.
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Post by: PFactorDave on January 17, 2012, 11:35:45 AM
Was amazing how much aftermarket performance parts were available too. I fell over the first time I saw a bug run 10's at the track.

My brother also had a Porsche 914 for a few years.  It was basically a souped up VW.  It was originally fuel injected, but the system was shot when he bought it.  So he pulled all the injectors and welded the ports closed.  I forget what all he had to do, but in the end he put a progressive carb on it.  It was a blast to drive.  It sat so low and was fairly wide, the thing would take corners like it was on rails.  

He sold it and bought a right hand drive MG Midget, that was an interesting little car too.
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Post by: CAP1 on January 17, 2012, 12:20:01 PM
Was amazing how much aftermarket performance parts were available too. I fell over the first time I saw a bug run 10's at the track.

 the only fast bug i've ever seen had a 454 chevy stuffed in the front.  :devil
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Post by: VonMessa on January 17, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
the only fast bug i've ever seen had a 454 chevy stuffed in the front.  :devil

I might have seen that at Englishtown or Atco.  Can't remember...
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Post by: Seanaldinho on January 17, 2012, 12:33:03 PM
Ive seen a few with chevys in the front. Ive judged the Pasco County Bug Jam several times each show had over 500 cars
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Post by: CAP1 on January 17, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
I might have seen that at Englishtown or Atco.  Can't remember...

 i saw it down at acto. didn't see it too often though. it looked VERY squirlly to drive.
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Post by: Tigger29 on January 17, 2012, 01:32:11 PM
Many newer cars these days require the engine to be dropped out of the car.  I remember the first time I had to drop the subframe from a Windstar to replace the engine!  Undo the wiring, the lines/hoses and the axles.  Then lower the subframe onto four jackstands.  Then remove four bolts.  Then lift the rest of the vehicle up and away.  Now you have the entire drivetrain right in front of you to work on!  It was so different yet so.. convenient!

The next one I did was a Cadillac.  Over $1000 to reseal the engine with RTV Silicone!  I was a little worried reusing the bearing races but I was told it would be OK and it was!  Had to drop the whole subframe and remove the engine.  Then install it on a stand and flip it upside down.  Then start tearing stuff apart!  I turned out real nice though.

It's funny though because I drive an '89 Festiva.  My dad has terminal cancer and just finished a chemotherapy session.  I was going to pick him up but my uncle (his brother) insisted on doing so because I "didn't have heat in my car" and my dad is very sensitive to cold temperatures (side effect of the chemo).  I was talking to my uncle on the phone and actually getting into an argument over why he thinks I have no heat in my car.  Come to find out he used to own an old Bug and just assumed that since I drove a little car that my heat would work no better than his used to!  Despite me trying to get him to understand that the reason the heat didn't work well in his old VW was because it was an air cooled engine I still couldn't convince him that my heater worked just fine and I ended up caving and letting him pick up my dad.

It was an interesting conversation nonetheless.
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Post by: CAP1 on January 17, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
i farm those engine jobs out if i get them now.
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Post by: Tigger29 on January 17, 2012, 03:44:23 PM
i farm those engine jobs out if i get them now.

Definitely.. It's just not worth it anymore.  There's too much liability and dog forbid if you have to tear it all back again under warranty then you just lost money on the whole deal.  Although there are always a few exceptions - really good customers who want to save a few bucks by agreeing to a used unit or a no-warranty type of repair for something in between jobs.  That I have no problem with - as long as they sign a waiver from the get go.

These days with everyone's "disposable" mentality they are real quick to just trade a car in the second it needs even a few hundred bucks worth of repairs.  I had one customer with an '05 F150 that had been a great truck for him for 80,000 miles go and trade it in because it needed $1000 worth of brake work.  Funny thing is that the new '10 he traded it in for spent four of its first six weeks at the dealer for various issues!
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Post by: Nypsy on January 17, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
I hate having my fingers any where near a moving belt. I have seen a few mangled fingers, not mine thankfully.
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Post by: CAP1 on January 17, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
i've never done a belt that way.....but my new favorite thing to bi tch about engineers about, is the "stretch to fit" belts. i'd REALLY like to inflict some bodily harm, and permanent scars on the clown that came up with that.
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Post by: DREDIOCK on January 17, 2012, 07:08:32 PM
The new bug holds nothing on the old bug.

They sure seemed to be popular for awhile.



I dont even consider the new bug to be a bug.
Kinda looks the same.  but thats where the similarity ends. The two most notable features of the bug are missing.
The sound. And the smell.
Bugs always had a specific smell to them. you could stick me in one blindfolded with the engine off and with the first sniff I would know exactly what I was in.

And I know with the old ones you could beat the crap out of them and not kill em. Doubt The new one could suvive the kind of punishment the old ones used to get
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Post by: CAP1 on January 17, 2012, 08:10:39 PM
but the new one has an optional daisy on the dash.  :bolt:
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Post by: FLOTSOM on January 17, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
but the new one has an optional daisy on the dash.  :bolt:

and in the drivers seat!!!!!  :bolt: (dont run fast cap im slow and lazy!)  :bolt:

i have seen this trick done on a chevy big block that was being used to power a generator. it had an electric fan bolted to a huge radiator mounted on the side not the front so the water pump pulley was fully exposed. it didnt have a tensioner so the belt had to be tight fitted without assistance, just like the vw belt. so the guy just used the same trick to fix. scarey as hell to think of what would happen if the screw driver was thrown back instead of pulled under...........

have also done similar to take belts of various other motors, but that was always the turn the motor by hand method or disable ignition and bump the motor over, never while it was running under its own power.
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Post by: Seanaldinho on January 17, 2012, 09:53:07 PM
Saw a volkswagon Sand Rail with a Corvette V8 in it  :x
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Post by: sluggish on January 18, 2012, 01:50:06 AM
Having trouble understanding... How does a vw sandrail have a Corvette engine in it?
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Post by: Seanaldinho on January 18, 2012, 05:41:15 AM
It was a volkswagon frame that had a VW engine it but the owner took it outand put the V8 in sideways and taking off all the mounting brackets and making his own. Then it was fed through a tranny to the rear wheels.
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Post by: Zeagle on January 18, 2012, 05:52:39 AM
I spent the summer after HS graduation traveling across Arizona in a VW microbus. Yes, we dropped the motor out to work on it. Yes it got push started a lot.
But, it went everywhere. Good stuff.

Awesome video.
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Post by: ariansworld on January 18, 2012, 07:07:16 AM
This is the New Beetle, I have not seen one with a daisy holder in it yet.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/04/20-2012-vw-beetle-debut-opt.jpg)
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Post by: CAP1 on January 18, 2012, 07:47:01 AM
and in the drivers seat!!!!!  :bolt: (dont run fast cap im slow and lazy!)  :bolt:

i have seen this trick done on a chevy big block that was being used to power a generator. it had an electric fan bolted to a huge radiator mounted on the side not the front so the water pump pulley was fully exposed. it didnt have a tensioner so the belt had to be tight fitted without assistance, just like the vw belt. so the guy just used the same trick to fix. scarey as hell to think of what would happen if the screw driver was thrown back instead of pulled under...........

have also done similar to take belts of various other motors, but that was always the turn the motor by hand method or disable ignition and bump the motor over, never while it was running under its own power.

 well, like i said...there's cars being designed with stretch to fit belts now. it's friggin ridiculous. in the case of that bug in the video, the generator pulley comes apart. in between the 2 halves, there's shims. that's how the belt tension is adjusted on those. on the "new" stretchie belts? need a tool to stretch em over. i just did an a/c belt on a mazde like that a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by: sluggish on January 18, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
It was a volkswagon frame that had a VW engine it but the owner took it outand put the V8 in sideways and taking off all the mounting brackets and making his own. Then it was fed through a tranny to the rear wheels.

Not a sandrail.  And..  You'll have to point out to me the thing on a Beetle that you call the "frame".
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Post by: icepac on January 18, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
(http://volksworld.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11117%7C0000002b2%7C542e_jon-1961-Ragtop-Beetle-02.jpg)


(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1986_Porsche_930_Turbo_For_Sale_Engine_resize.jpg)
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Post by: Seanaldinho on January 18, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
Not a sandrail.  And..  You'll have to point out to me the thing on a Beetle that you call the "frame".

A sand rail frame that had had a VW engine in it not a beetle frame.

Like this one.--->http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1205195
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Post by: sluggish on January 18, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
So you're talking about a dune buggy with an engine other than a VW...  Got it.
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Post by: camnite on January 19, 2012, 07:23:20 PM
thereis a junkyard near me with several bugs and things that i wouldn't mind trying to fix