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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tordon22 on January 17, 2012, 10:38:41 PM
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Interesting experience today, I got to fly two approaches in a pretend one of these today (LVL D G550 sim- didn't have it moving but still awesome)! Pretty much the peak of my life thus far and kinda sealed the deal of going the corporate direction for me. Plus some amazing side perks, aka pretty corporate flight attendants forced to practice cooking filets every Tuesday and Thursday afternoon with no one but Sim SIC's to feed it to. Things of that nature! And to be honest that sim had so many things I'd never experienced going on in the cockpit my head was spinning, it flew me for the most part. And wow my round dial scan was not pretty on the glass. Things to look forward to. :salute
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/6/5/1067561.jpg)
(http://images.globalair.com/ganimages/generic/Jets/Gulfstream%20Aerospace/Gulfstream/G550/Exterior/ext2_e.jpg)
(http://www.fly-corporate.com/dbnewsimages/flightsafety_gulfstream.jpg)
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where the hell is the cat??????
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where the hell is the cat??????
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/26/heresyourprob128563256550866869.jpg)
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Looks like a blast!
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/26/heresyourprob128563256550866869.jpg)
when can you dump all your lolcat pictures?
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oh hey Tor! hows it going? didnt recognized you at first......
now that i know for sure who you are,
thats great that you got to fly that system.....how does it compare to AH graphics??? :huh :rofl
oh and just ignore that blasphemous Tupac guy......he has issues!!!
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I meant dump all of them so we can see them
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oh....well in that case.....Tor you can go back to talking to that issueless Tupac guy again....
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Nice!
Got a few questions....
Were you just flying approaches or did you get a Gulfstream instructor to familiarize yourself with the aircraft systems? How did you like the systems?
Why didn't it move?
Is that the actual picture of the sim from the outside? It looks rather small, I've done some training in one of those and it seemed a lot bigger.
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I was flying with a Gulfstream "intern" as they call them, but he is an ATP with G550 PIC type which is all encompassing with the g400/450/550 (I think the 350 as well). This was all just part of a tour I took at their Savannah, GA facility. We briefed about the call outs and systems before hand and he walked me through some more during the flight, showing me various fancy features. I was by no means doing any real training, those systems were beyond me at this point. I was catching on pretty well with loading up the FMS and selecting all the speeds and altitudes needed. While they were advanced, I could definitely see how easy they can make life once you understood them. It's nice being able to mouse over and click off items on the checklist as you do them, or have the hydraulic system diagram and pressures pop up on the MFD when you go to test your brakes. Not to mention the HUD or synthetic vision.
I was actually surprised at how strong some of the control pressures were while hand flying though, if you weren't trimming at/before you moved the yoke, you fell behind super quick and had your arms full. I was also caught off guard by the approach speed, it was hard to tell the difference until under 300 ft and then the runway seemed to be running up at you. Again, the control pressure necessary to flare and land the thing without trimming it from the approach speed were much greater than expected. I wasn't expecting an F16 but I thought it would be a little lighter to the touch.
It didn't move because I didn't feed the machine any dollars :) . You gotta pay to sway, I guess. (Free tour for a poor aviation student, no need for all the bells and whistles)
Lastly, that's just a google pic, I didn't get an actual one but the room was neat. 4 massive sims side by side, all twisting and turning various directions. They were huge, full sized cockpits with jump seats and the control center behind that. You entered from a walkway about 8-10 ft off the ground, the picture must not do it justice.
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I was flying with a Gulfstream "intern" as they call them, but he is an ATP with G550 PIC type which is all encompassing with the g400/450/550 (I think the 350 as well). This was all just part of a tour I took at their Savannah, GA facility. We briefed about the call outs and systems before hand and he walked me through some more during the flight, showing me various fancy features. I was by no means doing any real training, those systems were beyond me at this point. I was catching on pretty well with loading up the FMS and selecting all the speeds and altitudes needed. While they were advanced, I could definitely see how easy they can make life once you understood them. It's nice being able to mouse over and click off items on the checklist as you do them, or have the hydraulic system diagram and pressures pop up on the MFD when you go to test your brakes. Not to mention the HUD or synthetic vision.
I was actually surprised at how strong some of the control pressures were while hand flying though, if you weren't trimming at/before you moved the yoke, you fell behind super quick and had your arms full. I was also caught off guard by the approach speed, it was hard to tell the difference until under 300 ft and then the runway seemed to be running up at you. Again, the control pressure necessary to flare and land the thing without trimming it from the approach speed were much greater than expected. I wasn't expecting an F16 but I thought it would be a little lighter to the touch.
Sound like you had a lot of fun. Did they let you log the hours by any chance? It's quite possible that the ATP guy had a CFII rating, then you can officially log it. If you want to check whether he is a CFII or not you can one one of the following sites. If he is then I'm sure he would not might signing it for you.
http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-pilot.html (http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-pilot.html)
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ (https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/)
I don't have any experience with the Gulfstream but I am surprised the controls were that heady. Maybe they disabled the hydraulics system. :lol
It didn't move because I didn't feed the machine any dollars :) . You gotta pay to sway, I guess. (Free tour for a poor aviation student, no need for all the bells and whistles)
They should have let you use the whole thing. :furious
Lastly, that's just a google pic, I didn't get an actual one but the room was neat. 4 massive sims side by side, all twisting and turning various directions. They were huge, full sized cockpits with jump seats and the control center behind that. You entered from a walkway about 8-10 ft off the ground, the picture must not do it justice.
That's sound more like it. Did they let you fly of the left seat?
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Cool! Glad you enjoyed it though you're not exactly right on the pretty FAs serving steaks. They serve on Friday as well. ;)
Sound like you had a lot of fun. Did they let you log the hours by any chance? It's quite possible that the ATP guy had a CFII rating, then you can officially log it. If you want to check whether he is a CFII or not you can one one of the following sites. If he is then I'm sure he would not might signing it for you.
http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-pilot.html (http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/certs-pilot.html)
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ (https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/)
No, no, no, no.
You get some credit, I believe it is up to 50 hours, of credit toward a certificate or rating (think ATP) provided you're in an approved simulator with an authorized instructor. Simulator time, regardless of its certification level, is NOT pilot time, multiengine time, jet time, airplane time or any other time. You get credit for the approaches and landings provided you're actually doing training. Tooling around on a tour of the facility while off motion =/= training.
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Cool.
I was given this sort of thing as a Christmas present; not the sim itself (:() but I'm gonna get to go do it...
What were you flying? That little corporate plane in the pic ^?
Looks effing awesome :aok :D just approaches? Or could you taxi after you landed?
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Mach- Yeah, no logging just play. And I flew 2 from the left seat, then served as FO for another one.
B-17- I did land and taxi! Both approaches were full stop taxi back and initially I taxi'd out from some ramp in KMEM. Using the ground tiller (I think that's what it is called) to taxi instead of the rudders.
Are you going to fly one of the big airliners for you present? That'd be neat as well. Those corporate jets may be small in comparison but they are afforded all sorts of luxuries in the cockpit.
Golfer- It just keeps getting better!
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I'll be flying a B737-800 of Continental Airlines :aok
I expect it'll be even heavy-handed-er to fly than the little sports car ;)
I'll be starting up engines, initiating pushback, taxiing to the active runway, taking off, flying a short segment to somewhere close-by, then flying approach and landing, and taxiing to the gate. It'll be good :D
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No, no, no, no.
You get some credit, I believe it is up to 50 hours, of credit toward a certificate or rating (think ATP) provided you're in an approved simulator with an authorized instructor. Simulator time, regardless of its certification level, is NOT pilot time, multiengine time, jet time, airplane time or any other time. You get credit for the approaches and landings provided you're actually doing training. Tooling around on a tour of the facility while off motion =/= training.
You can still log total flight time, as you said that counts. I don't think I said anything wrong.
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Mach- Yeah, no logging just play. And I flew 2 from the left seat, then served as FO for another one.
Roger
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You can still log total flight time, as you said that counts. I don't think I said anything wrong.
I didn't say you can log it (legally). You can log whatever you want, it's your book. You're the one who has to justify it in an interview.
It's not flight time. You get credit for that experience toward I believe an instrument rating provided you're receiving instruction that isn't logged flight time. You also can use the credit from a simulator initial type rating course toward total time requirements of an ATP for instance. It's still not flight time but you can use that toward the certificate you're applying for.
Litmus test:
How much fuel did you burn during your simulator session. If 0, no flight time.
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I didn't say you can log it (legally). You can log whatever you want, it's your book. You're the one who has to justify it in an interview.
It's not flight time. You get credit for that experience toward I believe an instrument rating provided you're receiving instruction that isn't logged flight time. You also can use the credit from a simulator initial type rating course toward total time requirements of an ATP for instance. It's still not flight time but you can use that toward the certificate you're applying for.
Litmus test:
How much fuel did you burn during your simulator session. If 0, no flight time.
You know that column in your logbook (usually on the far right) that is labeled "total duration of flight" or "total flight time" or something like that, you can put it in that column. Also it counts towards your total number of hours, sure it has it's limitations as you described but when you write your total number of hours the class D sim time is included.
Maybe I am wrong about it though, I never used a civilian class D sim so I did not have to comply by the FAR, in the USAF's class D sims we logged multi, day/night, simulated IFR (if appropriate), ground trainer, and total duration of flight.
I don't agree with the Litmus test, when you loose an engine on a single engine aircraft you can still log flight time while you glide, when you fly a glider you can still log flight time yet your not using any fuel.
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Well yeah, time spent in an aircraft for the purpose of flight is flight time. That's not in dispute. You're contending time spent in an air conditioned box with a projector screen is flight time. Apples and Ostriches.
I tell you what, I'll believe you of you can cite a source that shows simply spending time in a simulator equals flight time. An interviewer is going to ask you to do it eventually, we'll get it out of the way.
There are certain circumstances you can apply those hours toward the experience required for certificates and ratings. Their wholesale use to the total flight time column I dispute. It's your logbook, put whatever you want in it. It's not unreasonable to ask someone to prove it. So...
Prove it.
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Well yeah, time spent in an aircraft for the purpose of flight is flight time. That's not in dispute. You're contending time spent in an air conditioned box with a projector screen is flight time. Apples and Ostriches.
I tell you what, I'll believe you of you can cite a source that shows simply spending time in a simulator equals flight time. An interviewer is going to ask you to do it eventually, we'll get it out of the way.
There are certain circumstances you can apply those hours toward the experience required for certificates and ratings. Their wholesale use to the total flight time column I dispute. It's your logbook, put whatever you want in it. It's not unreasonable to ask someone to prove it. So...
Prove it.
Your right. The FAA does not let you log sims as total flight time.
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You can still log total flight time, as you said that counts. I don't think I said anything wrong.
Sim time can be used up to a given amount for each rating (except private, at least we couldnt sim any private), but you dont log it as pic time or actual flight time as far as im aware. It goes under flight sim time in your logbook.
lol nvm... never saw page two...