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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on January 19, 2012, 05:28:43 PM

Title: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 19, 2012, 05:28:43 PM

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PRESENTS

The Kuban Air Battles

The Time: 1943
The Place: Southern Russia

Thank you to Easyscor for his AVAsml Terrain

Russians:Bishops
P-39D
P-40E,C
Hurri-1
Spitfire Mk V.
La-5 (At one rear base)
T34, M3,
LVT2.PT-(Forward fields A19,18,21)
B-25C,A20 C47-(Rear fields A25,A32,A26)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/small-Kurban-gif.gif)

Germans:Kights
109G2
109G6
190A5
Ju-87
Panzer
LVT2,PT(Forward fields A3 A1 A2)
Ju-88 C47(Rear fields A25,A32,A26)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Jappa52 on January 19, 2012, 08:04:39 PM

What's the limit on Rooskie scapls? Can you purchase extra tags? :D

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 19, 2012, 09:49:25 PM

:lol No limit

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Puma44 on January 20, 2012, 02:40:00 AM

I'm looking forward to this fog of war...... :uhoh

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Krusty on January 20, 2012, 09:04:13 AM

This looks heavily stacked in the LW favor.

In 1943 the P-39D wasn't still operating. I see on google it's listing some 39D-2s at Kuban, but keep in mind the D-2 was an uprated boost and ran with a hundred more horsepower or so. The most common models were K/L/M/N, and in-game this matches almost identically to our P-39Q performance. Keep in mind the Soviets removed the wing guns on most P-39s as well to improve performance, and our P-39Q allows removal of said wing guns. You should use the P-39Q.

Also, the Soviets only had a smaller number (about a dozen or two dozen) P-40B/Cs. By 1943 the common aircraft were P-40F/L, and some E (though these are not representative of 1943 as our boost setting were downgraded in the last upgrade to reflect early E models, not 1943 ones with WEP). I believe the N was a great Soviet export as well, but I don't know off the top of my head if it was present at this battle or not. It is quite likely.

Further, there is no way the Hurricane 1 was still active as a frontline fighter in 1943. The Hurr2C was barely still active. Nix the hurricane.

The Soviets didn't like the spitfire much, and kept it as a home defense aircraft, often assigned to regiments flying sweeps to protect their city. However as far as actual combat with the enemy it was rare to almost nonexistent. This is why we don't have hardly any Soviet spit skins -- it's hard to find any that were proven to have seen combat!

Finally, you limit the La5FN to 1 rear base. This is the only plane on the list that was actually there!! And the only one even close to competing with the German planeset! Over 1500 La-5s were lost in 1943. It was the most common plane in the VVS at the time if I recall. Over 5000 made. In the summer of 1943 an La-5FN landed at a German field giving them a plane in perfect condition to test, even.

It's an interesting battle, but you don't do it justice in any way! You've set up a 1-sided turkey shoot for the Luftwaffe, and hamstrung the Soviets.

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 20, 2012, 12:08:57 PM

krusty, did they use IL-2 in that battle?
I'm asking because I see some in the GIF overthere

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM

Thanks Krusty.
I wanted to give your efforts the courtesy of a reply. .Sorry for the late reply, busy day

A few things to consider.

I would disagree with you that its hamstrung the Russians. I have run and played very smiler set ups and found them a blast.

In the hands of a skilled P39D or P40 pilot, the 109G's are a great fight match up. Especially using organized wing work. If those arnt enough the spit will be readily available and the LA 5 is close to a fight no mater were she ups from (the map is relay small)

I will be flying a P39D on this set up. :x

I love the thing and do not feel hamstrung in any way shape or form.. Why should you?

Just last night I was fighting P39 against 109G's and F's.. I did fine.. Im sure you could too. If not get a spit or La5.

Another thing to consider.
One thing I do with my set ups is layer them.
If you have noticed in my past set ups I have a tendency to add air craft into the set ups as the days progress. Attempting to give the set up a dynamic feel.
I leave something to the unknown.

Ill post things such as a squadron of LA 5's has arrived at base A4 to aid in the defense of the air space over sector X,X,X ..

Like this... scroll through the tread its ever changing... http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,319951.0.html or http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,322244.15.html

Further once bases are captured players will find additional Ac (air craft for their country) available to them at the newly captured territory.
This gives the the setup's a dynamic feel. Don't worry about it.. :)

My write ups are only a starting point for what is to come. I don't like to give it all away at once... Its that fog of war thing..

I Agree spits were not VVS favorite AC..Yet spits were used and there are some very interesting reads on it.
Yes the Russians didn't like them because they were susceptible to ground fire and were mistaken for 109's but they were there and well they are in the set up for playability/balance its more than an equalizer..
Im sure you have seen this.. http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/index.htm

As for the Q, keep apprised..
Personalty I like the D allot. I love the 39D and will choose it over the Q any day.

http://war.by-airforce.com/articles/Kuban-1943.html

The hurr C... prolly wont happen. Its one of those AC that.. well... you know.. goofy canons..

last set up I eased one it into, produced the effect of cleared the room within 15 minuets... We will see.. I'm still kicking it around.. That B holds its own when flown how intended. Especially using welded wing and loose deuce..

In any event, as you well know, were balancing between playability and a theme of history with the tools/ AC at hand.

Some day It will be nice to have a full arsenal of all makes and models of AC, Id love to see some early yaks, migs, and Pe-2 lagg's and so on.

You have kindly taken the time and effort out of your busy day. Your efforts demonstrate that your a very well meaning and thoughtful individual.
Thank you, it doesn't go unappreciated.

I hope to see you up there soon..
~S~RaVe

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 22, 2012, 09:52:14 AM

(http://r9.fodey.com/2194/c303db30538e459a8754879357e83fa0.0.jpg)

(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/1265-4/water-buffalo.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/lvt_small.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kIWY2DV0KnE/S3JFOztGsTI/AAAAAAAAFwQ/yzdhgp-nCYg/Motor%20Gun%20Boat.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/smlpt.jpg)

(http://r9.fodey.com/2194/a59639523fd941b7ab9274c38d4168b9.0.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/C47.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/ju52_small.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 22, 2012, 11:36:47 PM

This map needs a set of clip maps installed showing were the town is.
Some of you may have it already.

On the avsml terrain the towns are located at the airfields.
you can dl clip maps here.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321252.msg4187979.html#msg4187979

(http://www.ravenskins.com/avsml_town.jpg) (http://www.ravenskins.com/avasml_map_op_640x429.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Puma44 on January 23, 2012, 12:13:34 AM

OK, so, what about the V Bases?

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: cobia38 on January 23, 2012, 06:12:48 AM

oh goodies, A-20s. i,ll have to stop in for some easy luft weenie pelts :cheers:

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: captain1ma on January 23, 2012, 07:03:57 AM

ill have to make sure im around for some easy cobia pelts! :D

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 23, 2012, 01:31:53 PM

this map is amazing!

hey earlier today IL-2 was enabled for axis... don't know if it is fixed by now

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 01:37:36 PM

its a pretty good setup. historically correct or not Krusty.

I've had a couple of really good fights in the G-2 and G-6 against jappa52 and some others. jappa is 1 hell of a stick in that thing.

only thing i ask is, Raven, why are you always sitting on the runway?

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 23, 2012, 02:01:28 PM

Quote from: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 01:37:36 PM

only thing i ask is, Raven, why are you always sitting on the runway?

I'm trying to figure out how to start the planes. :headscratch:

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 02:04:54 PM

gotta get out and crank it up

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: waystin2 on January 23, 2012, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 01:37:36 PM

only thing i ask is, Raven, why are you always sitting on the runway?

LOL Us staffers have to sleep sometime... :aok :lol

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 05:37:15 PM

Quote from: waystin2 on January 23, 2012, 03:19:25 PM

LOL Us staffers have to sleep sometime... :aok :lol

I usualy help him by pinging his cockpit up with the G-2's cowl guns and circling til he explodes :devil

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: waystin2 on January 25, 2012, 09:07:59 AM

Damn good twist and turn with RedDevil last night. Darn those 109's but they are way out of my comfort zone :uhoh. Well done Sir!

:salute

Way

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: tmetal on January 25, 2012, 10:38:02 AM

Jappa was trying to help me by setting up for a screen shot as he passed over my tank. Had I known that was his intention I probably wouldn't have put a tank round through his wing root.
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q569/bryguyw/tankshot.jpg)

Trying to nurse a Ju88 safely back to earth after Sunny had his way with it. :huh
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q569/bryguyw/bustedupJu88.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 25, 2012, 02:19:52 PM

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/avalogos/th_ava-logo1yell.png)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/l5.jpg)

(http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/La-5FN_jjboucher.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/newspaper.jpg)

(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/1265-4/water-buffalo.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/lvt_small.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kIWY2DV0KnE/S3JFOztGsTI/AAAAAAAAFwQ/yzdhgp-nCYg/Motor%20Gun%20Boat.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/smlpt.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/c47_newspaper.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/C47.jpg)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/ju52_small.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 25, 2012, 04:57:24 PM

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/avalogos/th_ava-logo1yell.png)

Tank Hunters at the German-held Kuban bridgehead, situated along the Taman peninsula, bases V10 V27

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/storch/ahss24001.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/storch/ahss28001.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/storch/ahss29001.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 25, 2012, 05:23:40 PM

tmetal, ready to do some IL-2 damage?

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: tmetal on January 25, 2012, 07:25:01 PM

Oh yeah, you know it! :devil

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: 4Prop on January 25, 2012, 10:07:23 PM

are those bridges destructable like they were the last time we had this map in the AvA

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: captain1ma on January 25, 2012, 11:07:18 PM

looks like a turkey shoot for me, i cant wait til tonight!

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 26, 2012, 12:14:20 AM

Il-2 Pilot goes for one attack run and gets intercepted on second run. The gunner saved both of their lives.

First pass of the me109
(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner.png)

then the enemy comes around and dives for a second pass. the gunner aims right in the engine.

(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner2.png)

the damaged 109 goes home and so does the IL-2.

(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner3.png)(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner4.png)(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner5.png)
the sturmovik is currently beeing repaired and must be fixed as soon as possible, It must be ready fly one most important mission tomorrow.

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 26, 2012, 06:50:14 AM

Nice shots..Very cool Raphael :aok

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 26, 2012, 12:33:36 PM

ty raven, here is one of today's practice for this night's lil event

(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/practicing.png)

training low altitude destruction without beeing killed by ack, that field damage there was made in 3 passes. not one damage to my aircraft :)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: tmetal on January 26, 2012, 01:29:52 PM

AntiTank is the new and upcoming IL2 god to replace GHi

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 26, 2012, 02:11:02 PM

I do love the IL-2 but I'm no god and I have seen GHI, never seen him on IL-2 but on a20s a lot and he is insanely accurate with that, I can barely aim rockets and bombs.

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on January 26, 2012, 03:27:21 PM

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/avalogos/th_ava-logo1yell.png)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/kurtt.jpg)

Choose your side and kill the town and the red guys.
Bring your friends and have fun. Planes will be active so bring guys that know how to use a wirblewind.
All experience levels welcome. Above all have a good time!!

TANK TOWN:

(http://www.ravenskins.com/TankTown.gif)

The Kuban Air Battles

The Time: 1943
The Place: Southern Russia

Thank you to Easyscor for his AVAsml Terrain

Russians:Bishops
P-39D
P-40E,C
Hurri-1
Spitfire Mk V.
La-5 (At one rear base)
T34, M3,
LVT2.PT-(Forward fields A19,18,21)
B-25C,A20 C47-(Rear fields A25,A32,A26)

(http://www.ravenskins.com/small-Kurban-gif.gif)

Germans:Kights
109G2
109G6
190A5
Ju-87
Panzer
LVT2,PT(Forward fields A3 A1 A2)
Ju-88 C47(Rear fields A25,A32,A26)

OBJECTIVES:
Side with most bases at the end of the week wins.

Utilize PT boats,LVT’S and
C47's to capture forward
fields.

ARENA SETTINGS
Map= AVAsml
Visibility is 14.0 miles
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Ack settings are .25
Base capture: 10 troops
Radar (yes)
Icons: Fog of war

The German-held Kuban bridgehead,
situated along the
Taman peninsula, was an area of
extreme importance to both
sides. The Germans saw the region
as essential to protecting
the eastern approaches to the Crimea ,
whereas the Soviets
viewed the bridgehead as a
launch-point for another possible
German offensive into the northern Caucasus .

This terrain needs a set of clip maps installed showing were the town is.
Some of you may have it already.

On the avsml terrain the towns are located at the airfields.
you can dl clip maps here.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321252.msg4187979.html#msg4187979

(http://www.ravenskins.com/avsml_town.jpg) (http://www.ravenskins.com/avasml_map_op_640x429.jpg)

:salute

Set-up by Nr_RaVeN

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/avalogos/th_ava-logo1yell.png)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Raphael on January 26, 2012, 07:26:03 PM

(http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/301/300594/gunner8.png)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: captain1ma on January 26, 2012, 10:44:37 PM

Was a good time last night, i heard 27 players at one point. thanks to everyone that joined in. it was a blast!

(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww64/captain1ma/burned%20out%20city/ahss11.jpg)

(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww64/captain1ma/burned%20out%20city/ahss9-1.jpg)

Title: Re: This Week in the AvA 1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on February 04, 2012, 12:30:37 PM

1/20- The Kuban Air Battles –1943
Axis won this set up...
Lots of back and forth base taking from both forces over the week.
On the last night the axis was a bit more organized.

The side with the most bases at end of set up wins

Axis won by 3 bases

Aerial Kills

AXIS ALLIES
360 295

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj623/8rave8/avalogos/winresults.jpg)

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