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Title: 109 K4
Post by: sandwich on January 23, 2012, 09:40:54 PM
Does anybody have some good film and tricks detailing the way to set up a shot with the K4? I'm honestly baffled by the ballistics of the gun. Any film and random tips would be helpful.

Also, I remember a while back seeing a thread by grizz detailing every aspect of lining up the shot with taters and whatnot. If I can get the link to that thread, that would be perfect.  Search isn't working for me for some reason.  :bhead
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: FLOTSOM on January 23, 2012, 09:49:12 PM
message Agent360... he has some training films that rock!!!
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
message FLOTSOM. might be hard to get him to help you because hes always telling people to get agent360 to do it.

JK.

but Agent360, KoW or maybe drbone could help ya
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: FLOTSOM on January 23, 2012, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
message FLOTSOM. might be hard to get him to help you because hes always telling people to get agent360 to do it.

 :rofl :rofl the only skill i have mastered in the K4 is how to die with style......well ok maybe it isnt what you would call style, but it sure as hell is funny to watch!
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: 4Prop on January 23, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: FLOTSOM on January 23, 2012, 10:01:05 PM
:rofl :rofl the only skill i have mastered in the K4 is how to die with style......well ok maybe it isnt what you would call style, but it sure as hell is funny to watch!

thats where I'm at in those
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: PFactorDave on January 23, 2012, 10:20:29 PM
The thing that has helped me the most, is I only fire the tater gun by itself.  Never with the MGs...  Do that for awhile and you will get a better feel for the trajectory when you can easily see the tracer of just the 30mm.  The tater has also helped me to remember the absolute importance of unloading the wings before pulling the trigger.

FLy the k4 for awhile and you will get the hang of it, but for me, it has helped me by forcing me to manuever for the shot that I want rather then pulling the trigger and hoping for a lucky impact.

Don't mistake me, I'm not one of the k4 savants of AH...  Just a guy who has been flying it off and on for a few months.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Latrobe on January 24, 2012, 05:48:08 AM
Set the 30mm convergence to 200 and only shoot when the enemy is within 400 of you. The tater is so slow and drops off so fast that you will never hit anything past 600 unless you're very lucky.

Try .target (range) in the arenas and shoot the 30mm at 200 and then 600 and you'll see the huge difference.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
I have some films for ya....Straight from our forum...





Quote from: JOACH1M on January 12, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
************LOTS OF GOOD toejam IN THIS ONE!**************

http://www.mediafire.com/?habyj6i6c2w86ef 109k4 9 kills no rearms  
http://www.mediafire.com/?1n47uaj4b53vnn1 109g14 8 long range hoagi kill
http://www.mediafire.com/?tk4poq22m031eek me vs. drbone (i spanked him)
http://www.mediafire.com/?mapuoea5chpcc87 Me vs drbone great fight

This film is awsome for learning flat-turn http://www.mediafire.com/?8f7abyenpfgoih3
http://www.mediafire.com/?5uwws12ihyjjjqd Another flat turn film to watch
http://www.mediafire.com/?4nc2w3bf2ftbaza  BRUV119 pownage....rolling scissor his spit16 my k4.  :rock


Edit: in this video notice I'm trying to force a crossing shot (makes hittin with a 30mm alot easier)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKNPTSy2es&feature=youtube_gdata_player sorry for the music in video...
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: sandwich on January 24, 2012, 09:36:47 AM
Thanks for the films Joachim, that's exactly what i needed.

Also, wolf gang :salute
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: PFactorDave on January 24, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
sorry for the music in video...


I think you need to say that you are sorry again.  One sorry wasn't enough for that crap.   ;)
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: PFactorDave on January 24, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
I think you need to say that you are sorry again.  One sorry wasn't enough for that crap.   ;)
:lol.


 :D
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: PFactorDave on January 24, 2012, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
I have some films for ya....Straight from our forum...






Edit: in this video notice I'm trying to force a crossing shot (makes hittin with a 30mm alot easier)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKNPTSy2es&feature=youtube_gdata_player sorry for the music in video...


Question for you...  How do you like to set the trim in the k4?  Do you set it at a particular speed before entering a fight?  Combat Trim?  Or are you working the trim a lot while fighting?
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
Quote from: PFactorDave on January 24, 2012, 11:41:42 AM
Question for you...  How do you like to set the trim in the k4?  Do you set it at a particular speed before entering a fight?  Combat Trim?  Or are you working the trim a lot while fighting?
I only trim when I'm at high speed go get out of compressed dive. Other then that I let the auto trim do whatever it does...
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: PFactorDave on January 24, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
I only trim when I'm at high speed go get out of compressed dive. Other then that I let the auto trim do whatever it does...

I must admit that I am a bit surprised.  As much flap work that the 109 needs, I would think you would want to shut combat trim off...  You can't argue with results though.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Ardy123 on January 24, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
I only trim when I'm at high speed go get out of compressed dive. Other then that I let the auto trim do whatever it does...

I don't use trim. I just center the tabs and give it control input to center it.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Ardy123 on January 24, 2012, 01:56:11 PM
Here... go off line and make slicing passes at the drones. I don't use the gun sight, I use the cockpit bars for aim. Figure out at what distance and at what time you should pull the trigger as the planes cross across the cockpit bars. For me, its about 300 meters away and as they cross the two nearest bars if they are at around 200sih mph.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
I never could get used to the cockpit bars...I've tried it with a dot on my screen...no luck
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Agent360 on January 24, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
This is the post Grizz made on aiming the tater gun
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280043.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280043.0.html)

This is a post I made about it. You might find this helpful but Grizz's post is more informative.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,238513.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,238513.0.html)


Agent360
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Kazan_HB on January 25, 2012, 07:09:04 AM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 24, 2012, 07:40:26 AM
I have some films for ya....Straight from our forum...






Edit: in this video notice I'm trying to force a crossing shot (makes hittin with a 30mm alot easier)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKNPTSy2es&feature=youtube_gdata_player sorry for the music in video...


I'm impressed  :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 25, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
Quote from: Kazan_HB on January 25, 2012, 07:09:04 AM
I'm impressed  :rock :rock :rock
Ah, thanks it was my very first video...there are some more in my signature... :cheers:
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Kazan_HB on January 25, 2012, 08:33:25 AM
Quote from: JOACH1M on January 25, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
Ah, thanks it was my very first video...there are some more in my signature... :cheers:
i saw more :)
 :cheers:

now i am g14 dweeb  :devil
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Ardy123 on January 25, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
I'lll happily show anyone some basic k4 stuff. I'm usually on later at night but just PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: PFactorDave on January 25, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Ardy123 on January 25, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
I'lll happily show anyone some basic k4 stuff. I'm usually on later at night but just PM me if you are interested.


I'll be looking for you!  I've been flying the 109s again this tour, and having fun with them.  Would love to get some pointers and such!
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: Ruah on January 28, 2012, 06:22:00 AM
the problem with the 30mm is not learning it, its unlearning it.  Once you get used to the 30mm - you overshoot with every other gun, lead too much, and fly your plane for the roll-over snap shot (instead of saddling like with most planes).  So once you master the 30mm, you know you are sorta screwed unless you are one of the naturals that seem to be able to switch planes and wepons and still pull of lots of wins.
Title: Re: 109 K4
Post by: JOACH1M on January 28, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: Ruah on January 28, 2012, 06:22:00 AM
the problem with the 30mm is not learning it, its unlearning it.  Once you get used to the 30mm - you overshoot with every other gun, lead too much, and fly your plane for the roll-over snap shot (instead of saddling like with most planes).  So once you master the 30mm, you know you are sorta screwed unless you are one of the naturals that seem to be able to switch planes and wepons and still pull of lots of wins.
Me and 50cals dont work to well.