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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: infowars on January 27, 2012, 06:11:53 PM
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This is an interesting story.
http://www.gtr5.com/
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Never knew that. Wow.
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Was there any reply from the Israelis? There needs to be a deeper investigation into this event before we start pointing fingers at specific people. I'm not taking any position on this other than we need to do more research- sites like this can and do spring up all the time. Usually there is some truth, but the presentation can lead readers to a poor conclusion. It would have been contrary to Israel's interests to do such a thing because it is, and was, a close ally of the US and NATO.
-Penguin
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It would have been contrary to Israel's interests to do such a thing because it is, and was, a close ally of the US and NATO.
Yep, just like stealing nuclear secrets would have been contrary to their best interests, yet they did it anyway.
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Successdul theft of nuclear secrets is very much in any nation's best interests. All of the firepower, none of the research. Evidently, Israel would have had no reason to expect failure (apparently they did fail) so they must have planned for success; which, as I proved above, would have coincided with their best interests. Be the reason accident or be it malice, whatever happened to Liberty happened for a reason.
-Penguin
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You're totally missing the point, as usual.
Had Israel been caught stealing secrets, we could have easily wiped them from the map.
In the end they were caught, yet we gave them a pass.
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You're moving the goal posts; you said that stealing nuclear secrets was against Israel's self-interest. I've proved that to be false. You then moved on into an argument about the likelihood of a coverup based on the "pass" that we gave them. We haven't even determined that. We can't argue about a coverup here either. PM me for that.
-Penguin
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See Rule #4
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Don't ya just love how some folks find sanctuary in the anonymity of the interent?
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The Liberty incident was despicable and dishonorable, especially for an ally. The ship had a HUGE American flag flying when it was attacked, radioed the Israelis for minutes as the attack continued, and came under fire of not just Air Craft, but Torpedo boats. This was a deliberate action to be blamed on Egypt to get the united states into the war. Fortunately, it failed.
We really need to look at this incident, as well as the fact that they constantly lobby for the release of Johnathan Pollard who was convicted of espionage. As well as providing material and technical support to China in reverse engineering an F-16 during the 1980s, and the spy ring that was broken up in the US shortly before the war on terror began.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/DL04Ad01.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyCAZGRpf8
For our greatest ally, they have a very long history of stabbing us in the back.
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The Johnson Administration was not seen as necessarily pro-Israel and a concern existed of intelligence being shared. At least this is one plausible response I've read. No idea and one can only speculate since no official apology or explanation has been offered other then an oops.
Boo
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U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to the Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis. Lewis made an audio recording and later wrote about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: "He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified. He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done. RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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on a related note, and incident.. my uncle was on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_pueblo
my uncle is the guy being greeted by the officer in the white hat.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Repatriation_of_USS_Pueblo_Crew.jpg
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People in general are stuck thinking inside the box, which is why events like this never get the thorough investigation they deserve. This action was not done in the best interest of Israel, or anyone else for that matter. Consider then who it might be, using what assets, for what purpose? Consider also that this particular boat captain is the only one to have been awarded the CMoH but not recieved it from the president in person nor had the award presented to him at a official ceremony. Robert McNamara has always refused to comment. There is a good quality (BBC) documentary covering the event, available on YouTube.