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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vermillion on February 22, 2000, 09:39:00 AM
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In case anyone missed it, down in the "Feed Me" thread Pyro made the following statement.
Superfly finished the M-16 and went to work on a Typhoon Ib to complement the ground vehicles. I think he finished the external shape today. As soon as Natedog finishes the P-38, he's going to make a tank- probably a late model Panzer IV.
So in the next couple of versions, expect to see the "Tiffy".
(http://www.aviation-history.com/hawker/typhoon5.jpg)
For those wanting a little history on the Tiffy, click Here (http://www.aviation-history.com/hawker/typhoon.html)
For Perfomance stats click Here (http://britaininworldwar2.future.easyspace.com/RAF/aircraft/hawkertyphoon.html)
How will it fly, you say? Well from just looking at its performance numbers, this is gonna be a one "interesting" plane in AH.
I. Speed: The Tiffy will top out at around 405 mph at around 18,000 ft. Roughly the max speed of the La5, and slightly faster than the F4U-1's (398mph). But this is all deceptive. Down low (under 5000 ft), the Tiffy will do 374 mph, which is about 5-10 mph faster than any other plane in AH.
II. Acceleration: With anywhere between 2180hp-2260hp at Sea Level, this aircraft will have an empty powerloading of between 4.02 lbs/hp and 3.88 lbs/hp. Down low expect this plane to accelerate very quickly, but similarly to the N1K2 it will drop off rapidly with height. Heavy fuel loads however, will adversely effect acceleration.
III. Turn Rate: One way to estimate turn rate is too look at wingloading. With an empty wingloading of 31.48 lbs/sq ft, you can expect the Tiffy to perform similarly to the P-51 Mustang which has a empty wingloading of 32.77 lbs/sq ft. Of course fuel loads and armament carried effect performance accordingly.
IV. Climbrate: Unfortunately, I do not have my references, and I can't find any climbrate data for the Tiffy on the net. Anyone else have any?? But given that the Tiffy has a thick wing similar to the Hurricane, and a powerful low altitude engine, I would expect initial climbrates to be very good, but fall off quickly as altitude increases.
V. Firepower: This bird carries the exact same armament as the F4U-1C, which is four (4) wing mounted Hispano Mk II 20mm cannons. Extremely deadly. The only difference would be in the ammount of ammo it carries (anyone got ammo counts per gun?). Some late model Tiffy's were equiped with Mk V Hispano's which had shorter barrels (no protruding barrels from the wings), but I would expect our version to be equipped with the Mk II's. Additionally, the Tiffy could carry up too 6 rockets, and carry two 500 lb bombs.
Conclusion? Well once the Tiffy shows up, we can all complain about the latest "Dweeb ride". Under 15,000 ft, this plane will be extremely fast, and very well armed. It will accel at ground attack, and will displace the F4U-1C as the king of the VulchBirds.
The only questions are, 1.) Do we get a bubble canopy, and 2.) Are we getting the Typhoon Ib series I (2180hp), series II (2200hp), or series III (2206hp).
And if we are getting the Typhoon, how far behind can the Tempest be?
[EDIT: I know one thing is for sure, with that fat tail and drooping radiator housing, this plane is butt ugly]
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Wow... and folks say my Corsair is big and ugly... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Verm, Pyro said in the note you clipped that it would be the 1b. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Heheh I know Lephturn, but my point is
In the Typhoon Ib production, there was a series I, series II, and a series III, at least according my interpretation of the website I looked at.
Just like you can have a P-38J-5, P-38J-10, P-38J-15, etc., just like the American block numbers.
Maybe I am just reading the material wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
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AND TANKS TOO!!!
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Speed and cannon, oooooww
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Verm : i believe climb rate is very closley linked to acceleration. I reserve the right to be wrong though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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So the Fw190 should climb great! lol...
nope climbrate and acceleration are liked but not closely.
About the ammo, I believe it was 125 rpg...enough to kill (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)...and the Tiffie turned like a pig...ahhhh good...fresh bait for my Fw190A-4!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-22-2000).]
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Yes it is ugly, but the radial Centaurus engine in the beautiful Tempest II more than made up for it (no under-nose engine intake (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The Typhoon is a ground attack plane and not much more, thought inferior by British pilots when flown over 10,000ft (!). Not a buff buster (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It was not much good as a fighter, although it can be a scary sight in low level dogfights if energy is kept, but as a ground attack aircraft... well, look out, tanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Basically it's a plane to contend with at low level, and only an idiot will take it up over 15,000ft maximum. I'd be cautious attacking one of these without an altitude advantage, but it's not an uberfighter and I'd be disappointed to see it modelled as such. It's been a long time since the Typhoon was well modelled in a sim.. no, wait. The Typhoon has never been well modelled in a sim (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Excellent book on flying the Typhoon
Typhoon pilot / by Desmond J Scott.
Published: London : Secker & Warburg, 1982.
Tanks hmm??
Quote taken from link to Typhoon history above:
'The Typhoon IB, by now affectionately known as the "Tiffy", distinguished itself particularly in the Battle of Normandy, where it decimated a large
concentration of armor ahead of Avranches, disposing of no fewer than 137 tanks, and opening the way for the liberation of France and Belgium.'
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Flying a "Tiffy" above 15k would be pure insanity but HELL!!! who said I was sane! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Gorf
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They gonna model the "detachable" empennage?
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Dang! Funked, beat me to it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 02-22-2000).]
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I don't know guys.... I wouldn't discount the Tiffy in the fighter role, quite so easily. Remember the Arena is not reality.
The N1K2 is another "great low, but much slower at high altitude" and I see them flown very effectively above 20k.
Remember also that many of the high altitude fights are much flater at 25k+ (much less vertical and loop manuvers) and there are alot of front quarter shots. And think how deadly the -1C is in front quarter shots. Plus its manueverability should be in the same range as a P-51, not good, but useable up high.
And plus I figure it will be a fairly decent diving aircraft (what plane can't dive well in AH?). Of course compression limits will be the deciding factor (which may be fairly low given the thick wing)
So once the Tiffy starts to lose angles up high, a smart driver will point the nose towards home and run. Once he gets low enough nothing can possibly catch him.
And when the Tiffy catches a bandit lower than its self, it won't take many BnZ passes to finish it off.
I will wait to see before I pass final judgement (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But if you think the -1C is deadly, you will be absolutely freaked out by this plane, as long as it is flown in a intelligently in a 190 styel or F4U style.
{Edit: I guess Funked it all depends on "which" Typhoon Ib we get. From what I have read that problem was fixed by the time they started working on the Tempest, definitely by 1944. But I secretly hope they have a "fragile tail" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Otherwise I will probably end up dying to them alot}
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Vermillion
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[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 02-22-2000).]
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The pilot's notes for the Typhoon IB gave maximum speeds (indicated) before appreciable loss of control from compression as:
20,000ft 425mph
25,000ft 385mph
30,000ft 340mph
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After testing, limiting Mach number was found to be 0.79, critical Mach number 0.81. Hope this means something to somebody (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Taken from 'Testing For Combat' by Captain Eric Brown, who test-flew Typhoons (Mk IB, with 2,200hp Sabre IIA engine) for the compression effects - so I'd trust his figures personally.
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"Exact same cannon"... hispano? in F4u?
Isn't that F4u's cannon name a bit different, same as in P-38.. doesn't sound like hispano?
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I have read the Osprey's book of Typhoon and Tempest Aces and got impression that Typhoon was not very succesfull fighter.
It was fast in low altitudes but I think it took considerable time before it reached top speed. I think also the acceleration was not too great and climb was much inferior to Fw 190A-4, let alone any Bf 109! This was tested by british RAE. Turning capability is similar to Fw 190A-4 so nothing very spectacular. Roll rate was average, and I would guess initial roll rate is bad since it is very heavy plane. In dive Typhoon would compress in not so great speed and it had tendency to shake badly during dive, making aiming difficult.
Typhoons saw most of their air to air action intercepting low flying Luftwaffe fighters which conducted bomb runs to southern england. Later when the plane was found pertty poor dogfighter it was delegated to ground attack role in which it really shined.
In AH I think Typhoon will be mostly ground attack plane. If it wants to do air combat it needs E advantage and it should stay quite stricly in E fighting.
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Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm.
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Fishu, the Americans called it the M2 cannon, while the British called it the MkII. They're both Hispano's.
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Vermillion
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"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Originally posted by funked:
Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm.
HERESY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS PLANE WAS INFERIOR IN CLIMB TO FW 190, I CAN'T POSSIBLE CLIMB BETTER THEN HURRICANE WITH 3 2000LB BOMBS !!!! WHAAAAAAAA
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A good book about typhoons and tempests is "my part of the sky" by roland beaumont (father of the former england rugby catain). It starts with his time in france flying hurricane's in france then to BoB, from where he got leave and worked as a test pilot for hawker. He then took command of a squad flying hurricane's and almost single-handily turned the typhoon into a ground attack plane because he was bored by the lack of action and wanted something to do so he started taking night raiding parties to france and started shooting things up. Then he went on another development stint at hawker with the tempest. He then moved back to his squadron with the tempest in feb-mar '44 where they started shooting up V1's (he said only spit 14's tempests and "specially boosted 51's could keep up with). After the war he was one of britain's premier test pilots(which i believe he wrote another book on) He rated the tempest as the best fighter of the war (but he would (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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The Typhoon was a failure as a2a fighter no doubt about it. It had a great wingloading that made it hard to turn, a low-to-average rolling rate,poor climbrate ,poor acceleration...yep, the tiffie had a impressive powerful engine but those thick and ugly wings made it to fail as fighter. the P51 was SO fast because its laminar wing. The Typhoon was a failure because the great drag induced by the radiator and those UGLY THICK wings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
BTW If its well modelled in the sim then I wont dive so fast...the after part of the tiffie had a "strange" wanting to know world outside hte fore part in power dives... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
About the use to give the tiffie in the game?. Low level Jabo. It could be also a good low level interceptor but here theres not stupid people going low to be intercepted isnt it?..unless they are also low level jabos...hmmm you see it may have more uses, doesnt it?
Chances in A2A? well...I guess that depends on the pilot,as always, but the Tiffie itself isn't able to fight and win any plane in the arena right now in equal terms,In fact they should be unable to win unless with a HUGE E advantage...and then only when the rider knows how to use it...
I'll love trying the tiffie but I must admit that If sometime in the future the Fw190A-5 is given to us, I'll use it as a fighter, and the A-8 as Jabo. The A-8, compared with the Typhoon has slightly less speed,but with the same firepower, or better, much better acceleration and diving,also is a very nimble and quite good Dfighter...
the only thing I really miss in it are the rokets but you cant have all isnt' it?...and the tiffie also hasnt any 30mm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The tiffie was a wonderful Ground attack plane...as France'44 showed...but too lacking in A2A combat...Anyway,as in every plane here, well used will be deadly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
hehe and talking about lacks in A2A...I WANT JU87-G!!! those 37mms ROCKS!! lol
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-23-2000).]
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Of course, unlike the F4U, with the tiffy, you will actually be able to see who is chasing you! (I am assuming they are modeling the 1b with the bubble canopy, not the car door version). Of course, that's assuming you missed in the HO! ;-)
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HERESY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS PLANE WAS INFERIOR IN CLIMB TO FW 190, I CAN'T POSSIBLE CLIMB BETTER THEN HURRICANE WITH 3 2000LB BOMBS !!!! WHAAAAAAAA
According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.
Turning ability was very similar but Typhoons roll rate, especially initial roll was poorer.
Do your homework ski, roadkille will get you nowhere.
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jochen
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Don't forget Buffbuster. The cannon-hawg is currently unrivaled. Another 4xHS plane otta make them buffers cower in fear.
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to kill buffs you must be at the same altitude at them...so 30K? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
No buff goes lower than 10k and its very strage to see them under 15-20K. I doubt that having the F4U1-C available, anyone will get the Typhoon to those altitudes...(well at lease he can go,take a cup of cofee,watch the TV and read the newspaper while climbing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Ram, out
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Chances in A2A? well...I guess that depends on the pilot,as always, but the Tiffie itself isn't able to fight and win any plane in the arena right now in equal terms,In fact they should be unable to win unless with a HUGE E advantage...and then only when the rider knows how to use it...
Huge E advantage? That shouldn't take too much in this bird. The most annoying aspect of it is possibly going to be the hit-and-run-and-run-and-run tactics, especially given its reputation as a survivable plane.
Also, Typhoon takeoffs and landings should be HAIRY to say the least. Ailerons didn't have much effect till over 100mph, leading to some close encounters with hangars off the runway... (on some airfields I believe one or two hangars were taken down after a few accidents)
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[This message has been edited by -duma- (edited 02-24-2000).]
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Hehe, I guess low-speed scissors won't help on spoiling gun solutions, eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Originally posted by Jochen:
According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.
Turning ability was very similar but Typhoons roll rate, especially initial roll was poorer.
Do your homework ski, roadkille will get you nowhere.
For 1942 Fw 190 can hardly be considered a better then average climber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Saying it will outclimb anything "easily" would require matching it against Hurricane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Chill, it's ok, we will still laugh when you whine about Tiffy shooting your bellybutton off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Those of you expecting good performance from the Typhoon will be very disapointed.
This AC is no fighter,but it can zoom at low alt. Useless ay high alt. It could easily catch the fastest LW Fighter Bomber as they where making low-level hit & run raids.
The Napier Saber II (24 cylinder liquid cooled) engine rated at 2,180hp showed poor rate of climb and miserable hi alt performance.
Initial ROC was 3,000ft per min.
Didnt have to worry about ripping wings off at speed,because the rear fusalage would come apart 1st (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cant think of a better plane for clearing 6s in a low furball (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE: "Cant think of a better plane for clearing 6s in a low furball "
What about a F4U1-C...or a Fw190A-5? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ram, out
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RAM, my guess is that the typhoon is going to be a much better accelerator at low speed than the F4U or FW190, currently, every plane in AH can out-accelerate these two A/C with exception of the B17 and C47.
Ty-foons were also used in running down V-1's, very good low level speed and acceleration from what I've read.
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Yep Ripsnort I know that...but to accelerate more than other plane you must start at the same speed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) believe me that I'm not going to let any tiffie catch me low and slow... and if they follow me...well then better for me.low alt hispeed Fw190 vs low alt hispeed tiffie=Easy meat for my Fw190--- (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ram, out
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The ammunition available was 140 rounds per gun, and also an external bomb load of 2000lb. Later versions had rail units for the carriage of four 3inch rockets fitted with a 60lb warhead.
Jase
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For 1942 Fw 190 can hardly be considered a better then average climber
Saying it will outclimb anything "easily" would require matching it against Hurricane
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According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.
Uhm, what word you didn't understand in above statement? Must be those RAE bastards, doing their flight tests drunk again...
Still, Typhoon climbs worser than Fw 190A-4 accorning to RAE. I'm pretty sure this will be the case in AH too.
Chill, it's ok, we will still laugh when you whine about Tiffy shooting your bellybutton off
That will never happen.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
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jochen
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If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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I'm certain that's four 3inch rockets under each wing. Not four rockets total (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It certainly isn't a dogfighter but most planes in AH aren't either (due to the '44 planeset) it does have speed and guns though which probably means it will do alright in the arena.
The thing about the Typhoon 1b was when it became operational
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"The first RAF squadrons to get the Typhoon 1B were Nos. 56 and 609 in September 1941."
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That's from website at http://www.innercite.com/%7Erlmendes/art/gallery/luft46/minis/18.html (http://www.innercite.com/%7Erlmendes/art/gallery/luft46/minis/18.html)
So the RAF will have the 1941 typhoon and the 1942 Spit 9 (the F was the '42 version) wouldn't it make more sense to give the RAF it's to premier fighters in '44 i.e. spit 14 and tempest V or at least the spit 9 LF or HF.
Here's a nice site with some intresting comparative trials of spit 14 v some of the main protaganists around '44 (mustang III, tempest V, spit 9, spit 8, 109 G and 190-A4 - with refernce to the D9.)
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14pt.html (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14pt.html)
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Spit 14 would turn the arena upside down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
There would be no place to hide for any other plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The detachable tail problem was only found on the early Ia models. The problem had been found and corrected by the time of the later Ia and Ib varients.
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Hmm, i am a bit confused as to how the plane will perform, it seems there are many conflicting opinions :-
Verm said :
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I. Speed: The Tiffy will top out at around 405 mph at around 18,000 ft. Roughly the max speed of the La5, and slightly faster than the F4U-1's (398mph). But this is all deceptive. Down low (under 5000 ft), the Tiffy will do 374 mph, which is about 5-10 mph faster than any other plane in AH.
II. Acceleration: With anywhere between 2180hp-2260hp at Sea Level, this aircraft will have an empty powerloading of between 4.02 lbs/hp and 3.88 lbs/hp. Down low expect this plane to accelerate very quickly, but similarly to the N1K2 it will drop off rapidly with height. Heavy fuel loads however, will adversely effect acceleration.
III. Turn Rate: One way to estimate turn rate is too look at wingloading. With an empty wingloading of 31.48 lbs/sq ft, you can expect the Tiffy to perform similarly to the P-51 Mustang which has a empty wingloading of 32.77 lbs/sq ft. Of course fuel loads and armament carried effect performance accordingly.
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RAM said :-
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It had a great wingloading that made it hard to turn, a low-to-average rolling rate,poor climbrate ,poor acceleration
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I assume great means large (but it seems similar to most other BnZers')
And as for climb rate
Funked:-
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Loaded weight was in the 11k range, between the P-51D (10k) and F4U (12k), but it had more power than either. I'd expect initial climb about 3500-3750 fpm
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Jochen :-
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According to RAE (RAF test facility) 4 cannon Typhoon was "outclimbed quite easily" by Fw 190A-4 in alt between 12kft - 17 kft.
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Wardog :-
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Initial ROC was 3,000ft per min
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Can anyone give any defenitive figures as what to expect (Pyro???), mabye even a source for info posted. Thanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P.S. what is the realtionship between climb and acceleration (i had assumed it was to do with powerloading but i suppose how "clean" the airframe matters also but less while climbing while wing properties will effect both but in different ways?)
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I'm still saying that Typhoon is not very good climber. RAE test indicated that Fw 190A-4 'quite easily' outclimbed Typhoon in 12 - 17 kft alt. Also they made comment about top speeds saying they were pretty similar but it took Typhoon longer time to achieve that speed. This would indicate poor acceleration. Climb and acceleration do have quite a close relationship.
No doubt Typhoon has lots of power but it weights a lot and has very thick wing which causes lots of drag engine needs to overcome. There is also problem transferring that engine power to air with propeller.
Roll rate was not too good, maybe because of the weight of the plane? Fw 190A-4 could escape from Typhoon in turn just by quickly rolling to another direction and starting a turn.
There must be reason why RAF did not use Typhoon as a pure fighter more than they did. I think it was because Typhoon was not as good fighter as Spitfire. Because Typhoon was heavy and large, it was suitable for ground attack plane which needs to be able to take serious AA damage.
I think those who see Typhoon as a ultimate fighter will be somewhat disapointed. Of course, I could be wrong but most of the evidence I have seens points to that direction.
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Personally i would use the spit a2a, i am very curious as to how the typhoon will handle. As far as the current planeset i believe it won't be used a huge amount but as it has speed and guns it will do alright. Remember though it is late '41 plane so it will never dominate the '44 skys.
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With the planeset they have currently, wouldn't a Tempest be more appropriate?
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