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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mthrockmor on January 31, 2012, 03:36:44 PM
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I've posted on this subject before though I want to change it up a bit. Ground rules, pilots are equal and we have two types of fights: Above 20k and below 20k.
For those many on this board far more intelligent then I about ACM and all-things aeronautical engineering, which of the ubber post war monsters is the best plane?
First, the contenders. I propose...
F7F Tigercat
F8F Bearcat
P-51H Mustang
F2G2 Super Corsair
Seafury
Spit Mark XXI
Fw-190D-13
Do-335 Arrow
Am I missing a postwar Monster? If not, which is the purest fighter and why?
Boo
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Probably not the f7f
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The F2G really isn't all that special. It had a lot of teething problems the military never worked out. The -4B would probably be the better choice (-4 performance with four 20mm? Hell yeah).
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Add the Hornet or Seahornet to the list of contenders. The Yak-3 with the VK-107 engine as well.
As to the winner, likely the Seafury or F8F.
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P38K maybe...
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Spiteful :aok
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P38K maybe...
P-38K was not a post war model, it wasn't a model at all actually. It was more of a single test mule that was converted from a P-38E.
ack-ack
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Probably not the f7f
According to the U.S. Navy's Chief Test Pilot, the F7F was the best fighter he ever flew (and he flew them all).
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did you forget the la9/11?
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Take a Yak-3 and hang the engine of the La-7 on the front... Yak-3U!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-byLVcXd7eg
Reno racer Will Whiteside set an official international speed record for piston-engined aircraft in the under 3,000 kg class in a modified Yak-3U last year with 407 mph at the Bonneville Salt Flats.
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Post war monster?
Still has to be Godzilla.
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Post war monster?
Still has to be Godzilla.
:lol
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Take a Yak-3 and hang the engine of the La-7 on the front... Yak-3U!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-byLVcXd7eg
Reno racer Will Whiteside set an official international speed record for piston-engined aircraft in the under 3,000 kg class in a modified Yak-3U last year with 407 mph at the Bonneville Salt Flats.
LOL at the coments on the video, it looks like twinboom was about to burst a blood vessel.
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P-38K was not a post war model, it wasn't a model at all actually. It was more of a single test mule that was converted from a P-38E.
ack-ack
Ah, ok. Thanks ack.
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Take a Yak-3 and hang the engine of the La-7 on the front... Yak-3U!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-byLVcXd7eg
Reno racer Will Whiteside set an official international speed record for piston-engined aircraft in the under 3,000 kg class in a modified Yak-3U last year with 407 mph at the Bonneville Salt Flats.
this would be more representative.. still very nice... watch the landing - look familar? :joystick:
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Update...
F7F Tigercat
F8F Bearcat
P-51H Mustang
F2G2 Super Corsair
Seafury
Spit Mark XXI
Fw-190D-13
Do-335 Arrow
Yak3U
La-9/11
Hornet/Seahornet
Any more to add?
The Hornet/Seahornet is essentially a follow up to the Mossy. Likely a great bird but...
My quick rundown is the German birds fall to the wayside. The Dora13 is very slightly improved over the Dora9. Arrow, great model but only fast. Not certain of BnZ ability at all, no indication on turning.
If the remaining birds I have heard the Yak3U (?) BnZ'd like a PonyD, turned like a Spit? If so it moves up towards the top. Spit XXI is great in theory but is it nothing more then a heavier, souped up Spit14; fast but not fast enough, compresses too easily losing fine touch control and too heavy to turn like other Spits? If so, I leave it second tiered. The Super Corsair sounds great but other then a bigger engine and better visability...and the lone Corsair driver gives the earlier 4hog better props.
That leaves the...
F7F
F8F
P-51H
Seafury
Yak3U
La-9/11
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F7F
F8F
P-51H
Seafury
Yak3U
La-9/11
Of these birds I would give the edge to the P-51H and possibly the Yak3U above 20k. We already know how the PonyD does above 20k. A lighter, faster bird with greater control surfaces should only do better. If the Yak3U performs like a cross of best aspects between a PonyD and Spit it should do well above 20K. Any indication the La-9/11 has anything above 10K, let alone 20K? The Seafury is a slimmed down Tempest. Maybe it has some skills above 20K though my guess is its primarily a below 10K hero, just a guess.
As for below 20K, my sense is the F8F is king of the hill. Incredible climb rate, rolls with the best, lighter and should out turn any of them. It is weak on fire power with only 4x.50cals but good enough in well trained hands. Maybe this is where the Yak3U and La-9/11 shine. With the PonyH, I have great confidence in its abilities below 20K. The PonyD is more then ample, can only imagine a more nimble version with much better climb rate.
Boo
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this would be more representative.. still very nice... watch the landing - look familar? :joystick:
knew i fergot something... :noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN1-5BP0xSU&feature=related
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. Any indication the La-9/11 has anything above 10K, let alone 20K?
Boo
la9 info... make of it what you will... i'd give this an edge over the la11 after looking over the specs (taken with the customary grain of salt)
http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/la9.shtml
ditto for la11 (escort version for their strategic bombers)... longer range, atthe expense of some speed.
http://www.airpages.ru/eng/ru/la11.shtml
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The Super Corsair sounds great but other then a bigger engine and better visability...and the lone Corsair driver gives the earlier 4hog better props.
So why still include the F2G on the list? It was actually slower at altitude than the -4B/C by ~15mph, and was less-heavily armed (4x.50cal on the F2G-1/2 vs. 4x20mm on the F4U-4B/C). The F2G certainly had an IMPRESSIVE rate of climb (nearly 5500ft/min!) But in almost every other aspect the -4 was superior. It was only after racers got hold of her that she started to shine, but considering those are hardly military specs they wouldn't exactly count.
You also have the F4U-5, which clocked in at nearly 470mph at altitude.