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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rich52 on February 01, 2012, 04:26:40 PM
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Are we ever going to get a Bomber made by Soviet Industry? As in "ever"?
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Hope so. :rock
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The best Soviet bombers of the WWII era were either lend-lease or remakes or U.S. design. Just skin em with a red star.
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MMm the Pe-2 mmmm. :x
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+1 for a TB-3 :pray :devil
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
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+1 for a TB-3 :pray :devil
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
Economy seats on that thing must come cheap. Hope the passenger that fell off got a full refund.
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I would love to see the PE-2 and/or the Tu-2. :aok
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The best Soviet bombers of the WWII era were either lend-lease or remakes or U.S. design. Just skin em with a red star.
For instance?
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The best Soviet bombers of the WWII era were either lend-lease or remakes or U.S. design. Just skin em with a red star.
I think the Pe-2 and Tu-2 would like a word with you.
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For instance?
B-25s and Bostons. A considerable number of American B-17 and B-24 bombers force-landed in Eastern Europe were also repaired and taken into use by the Soviets (in particular in connection with shuttle-bombing Operation Frantic). All modeled. Just put a Soviet dress on `em.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VsNSi_tHDW4/TR9RZuJmAVI/AAAAAAAAIZ4/ClVJh_UXewA/s1600/2915c.jpg)
(http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/A-20_boston_soviet1.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/551/pics/1_26.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/327/pics/1_1.jpg)
(http://photos.state.gov/libraries/moscow/29754/WWII/Operation%20Frantic%2001.jpg)
(http://thelevantandthebalkanswwii.devhub.com/img/upload/103_1.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/439/pics/1_1.jpg)
(http://www.soviethammer.info/img/upload/dggdrgrdf.jpg)
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Tu-2!!! The Pe-2 offers nothing the German 110C-4 cant offer in scenarios.
The Tu-2 on the other hand...
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The Pe-8 would make another great addition to the heavy bomber. Though the lighter Pe-2 or Tu-2 would be faster to incorporate. On the bright side we at least have the Tu-4. :D
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B-25s and Bostons. A considerable number of American B-17 and B-24 bombers force-landed in Eastern Europe were also repaired and taken into use by the Soviets (in particular in connection with shuttle-bombing Operation Frantic). All modeled. Just put a Soviet dress on `em.
Oh please! I'll try and forget the B24 and B17 comment, which is just plain silly. To think that enough numbers of them were forced to land on Soviet airfields, and the reds were able to maintain/train up them into a force that had any impact is just a plain silly notion.
The B25 and A20s werent on the same level as airplanes like the TU2 and Pe2. Not in performance, bombload, anything. Soviet industry produced many outstanding warplane designs, most of all considering the stresses they were under at the time. They not only had to pick up and move most of their Indistrial base but many of their designers started the war sitting in Gulags. Still however there seems to be much disrespect in the west regarding WW2 Soviet warplane design and production.
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I would love to see the PE-2 and/or the Tu-2. :aok
:aok :aok :aok
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tu-2 would be my plane of choice for attack runs. It will do everything quicker and tougher than the ju-88 minus the torpedo carrying ability.
Plus it packs 2x 23mm cannon in the nose for de-acking and HOing.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnxH1y4vxLdWl-G-P857RyIHwC4fOQyuZMVF2weHyQIaTNxNSA)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjQrDrcpkTfl-Rc5W-Ii9jiB-T6SQSIsNbI6uy9KHK4utyrrkb5Q)
Look at the slim profile, built for speed and tough soviet tough. What is not to like!
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tu-2 would be my plane of choice for attack runs. It will do everything quicker and tougher than the ju-88 minus the torpedo carrying ability. Plus it packs 2x 23mm cannon in the nose for de-acking and HOing. (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnxH1y4vxLdWl-G-P857RyIHwC4fOQyuZMVF2weHyQIaTNxNSA) (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjQrDrcpkTfl-Rc5W-Ii9jiB-T6SQSIsNbI6uy9KHK4utyrrkb5Q) Look at the slim profile, built for speed and tough soviet tough. What is not to like!
Again Bruv is correct. +1
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MMm the Pe-2 mmmm. :x
Agreed, the Petlyakov Pe-2 was a great design, saw much use and was a great success. There are plenty of Soviet bombers that would make excellent additions but this is one of the finest picks imho.
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Oh please! I'll try and forget the B24 and B17 comment, which is just plain silly. To think that enough numbers of them were forced to land on Soviet airfields, and the reds were able to maintain/train up them into a force that had any impact is just a plain silly notion.
The B25 and A20s werent on the same level as airplanes like the TU2 and Pe2. Not in performance, bombload, anything. Soviet industry produced many outstanding warplane designs, most of all considering the stresses they were under at the time. They not only had to pick up and move most of their Indistrial base but many of their designers started the war sitting in Gulags. Still however there seems to be much disrespect in the west regarding WW2 Soviet warplane design and production.
Well, good luck with that, seein' there are no bombers in the game modeled that the Soviets used. Or sumpin'. How many *Soviet built* bombers ya gonna ask for? No harm no foul in that, I reckon. Just bringing up what exists already that, quite honestly, suffices. :D
P.S. Are you throwing in your 2 for scenarios/events or the main? 'Western disrespect?' Seriously?;)
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If PE8 is added, then HE177 must also be added somewhere down the line.
I do like the PE2 suggestion and have been flying Pe8, Pe2, and he177 at another sim.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/PetlyakovPe-8.jpg)
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Pe-8 was a minor player and isn't needed.
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Pe-8 was a minor player and isn't needed.
Who cares about "needed" it would be fun
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MMm the Pe-2 mmmm. :x
+1
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Pe-8 was a minor player and isn't needed.
LOL...I can always count on Karnak to attempt to shoot down any proposed planes other than late model cannon equipped fighters.
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LOL...I can always count on Karnak to attempt to shoot down any proposed planes other than late model cannon equipped fighters.
I think you have me confused with somebody else.
My first choice for an addition would be the Ki-43, which has a distinct lack of cannons and late war performance.
The Pe-8, on the other hand, is the type of idiocy that is requested by the "it must be uber" crowd, something that would be potent in the game but was a complete non-factor in the war.
(The cannon derision is also stupid. There aren't many machine gun only armed fighters once you get beyond the USAAF and USN.)
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P.S. Are you throwing in your 2 for scenarios/events or the main? 'Western disrespect?' Seriously?
I suggest you read up on their capabilities and answer your question yourself. You strike me as someone who needs to study up on WW2 aviation before posting in this forum.
Seriously.
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I suggest you read up on their capabilities and answer your question yourself. You strike me as someone who needs to study up on WW2 aviation before posting in this forum.
Seriously.
I believe what you quoted has nothing to do with capabilites. And even the thread had nothing to do with capability. The thread asked for a Soviet Bomber. Congratulations - the game has bombers used by the Soviet Union. You strike me as someone who perceives a lack of knowledge in others because you're easily upset by facts you don't like. Let's talk about any historical subject you wish - WWII, aircraft, whatever ... in context. Anytime. :D
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I believe what you quoted has nothing to do with capabilites. And even the thread had nothing to do with capability. The thread asked for a Soviet Bomber. Congratulations - the game has bombers used by the Soviet Union. You strike me as someone who perceives a lack of knowledge in others because you're easily upset by facts you don't like. Let's talk about any historical subject you wish - WWII, aircraft, whatever ... in context. Anytime. :D
This is what I said Are we ever going to get a Bomber made by Soviet Industry? As in "ever"?
I should know since I started the thread and Im hardly upset over your facts since you have posted none. I already knew you could paint Soviey skins on American bombers. MY thread was about needing a bomber made by Soviet Industry.
Sheesh!
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This is what I said I should know since I started the thread and Im hardly upset over your facts since you have posted none. I already knew you could paint Soviey skins on American bombers. MY thread was about needing a bomber made by Soviet Industry.
Sheesh!
Sheesh? Heh. As said, I wish ya luck. Not much into attempting to win souls to your cause in the wishlist forum? I'm an easier sell than HT. What makes your Soviet buff wish better than an Italian buff wish? Which one take precedence? How many of the bombers in the game can be painted in an historically accurate skin with Italian markings? ;)
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The Pe-8, on the other hand, is the type of idiocy that is requested by the "it must be uber" crowd, something that would be potent in the game but was a complete non-factor in the war.
It is not uber as compared to any other heavy bomber of the war.
They dropped many hundreds of tons on Berlin as early as 1941 and Molotov flew to washington and back in a PE8 with part of the trip through german territory.
There are plenty of planes already in game that saw far less action.
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Good scrap last night icepac, those lancs you were in I must have distributed my rounds evenly everywhere across all of your airframes for virtually all the cannon ammo of my D-9 went into them. Good flying, is a good thing not everyone know how to fly bombers like that. My crate was thoroughly peppered with holes after that chase.
:salute
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It was nerve wracking since you seemed to attack from above, below, from the side, from the side morphing to from under and the side.
I'm surprised that even one was still flying after your second pass since it seems you landed many cannon to all 3 within 2 passes.
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Plus it packs 2x 23mm cannon in the nose for de-acking and HOing.
The guns were Shvak 20mm cannons in the wing roots.
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It was nerve wracking since you seemed to attack from above, below, from the side, from the side morphing to from under and the side.
I'm surprised that even one was still flying after your second pass since it seems you landed many cannon to all 3 within 2 passes.
Yes, I specifically tried to set up slashing attacks to get guns on the entire formation for at least the first two passes, then the belly shot is a favorite on the lancs since it's their soft spot but I didn't seem to be able to get the angles just right on this occasion. I think that if you had had .50 cals instead of those pellet guns you would have gotten me. After that sortie I just had to up the Ta152, really felt I was lacking the Mk108 in the Dora on that encounter. :D
I'm sure we'll run into each other again, til then, blue skies!
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tu-2 would be my plane of choice for attack runs. It will do everything quicker and tougher than the ju-88 minus the torpedo carrying ability.
Plus it packs 2x 23mm cannon in the nose for de-acking and HOing.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnxH1y4vxLdWl-G-P857RyIHwC4fOQyuZMVF2weHyQIaTNxNSA)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjQrDrcpkTfl-Rc5W-Ii9jiB-T6SQSIsNbI6uy9KHK4utyrrkb5Q)
Look at the slim profile, built for speed and tough soviet tough. What is not to like!
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oops
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+1 for a TB-3 :pray :devil
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
easy to shoot down :banana:
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Good scrap last night icepac, those lancs you were in I must have distributed my rounds evenly everywhere across all of your airframes for virtually all the cannon ammo of my D-9 went into them. Good flying, is a good thing not everyone know how to fly bombers like that. My crate was thoroughly peppered with holes after that chase.
:salute
It was nerve wracking since you seemed to attack from above, below, from the side, from the side morphing to from under and the side.
I'm surprised that even one was still flying after your second pass since it seems you landed many cannon to all 3 within 2 passes.
Just a guess, cannon convergence is/was set to less than 350?
The cannons I've found get tempremental with buff killing unless you're hitting them right where you want to and when your convergence is supposed to hit the mark... wich tends to be further than most fighter kills. The two 20mms are effective agaisnt buffs, but only together, and at their converged distance.... judging by Icepac's responce, you were definiteley employing the right tactics. :aok