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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: helbent on February 03, 2012, 01:25:27 AM
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Some of you guys might want this model.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1
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Yeh, very cool. First heard about this about 5 years ago. An awesome invention.
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I still couldn't bring myself to put a finger on the blade.
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The last shop I worked for bought one of these. The safety manager kept trying to get people to test it with their fingers, I told him I would go first right behind him. :devil
Never did see if this actually worked or not. Guess I just like flying AH more than proving whether or not a saw is going to stop from cutting my fingers off....
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That would have done me some goo over a year ago when I was working on my daughter's hope chest. I still have no feeling in my fore finger.
One of the most painful experiences I have ever had.
I wonder what that thing costs.
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My neighbors hand got tore up from a table saw this last spring, damn ugly wounds come from them blades.
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That would have done me some goo over a year ago when I was working on my daughter's hope chest. I still have no feeling in my fore finger.
One of the most painful experiences I have ever had.
I wonder what that thing costs.
They've been around long enough that the price is not an issue. MSRP on their website lists $3,732 for their top of the line saw, under $3k for a decent cabinet saw... which seems pretty average to me. Certainly not any more then a similar Delta or Powermatic.
http://www.sawstop.com/
I've used one of their saws once, seemed well built. Only downside was the need to change the brake block thing when switching to a dado, means it takes a little longer and you have one more piece to keep track of. But for the safety aspect that's not to bad I guess. Also I've heard that cutting green lumber will sometimes trigger the brake, but any carpenter worth his salt wouldn't be using green wood anyway so that's not really and issue.
EDIT: Also the first line in that video is wrong the narrator says "The blade has a sensor..." Which is kind of misleading, the blade does not have a sensor, the blade is merely the conductor to the sensor that triggers the brake. Any metal blade will work in their saws.
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it works the same way as a touch lamp. Good thinking putting it on a sawblade.
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They've been around long enough that the price is not an issue. MSRP on their website lists $3,732 for their top of the line saw, under $3k for a decent cabinet saw... which seems pretty average to me. Certainly not any more then a similar Delta or Powermatic.
http://www.sawstop.com/
I've used one of their saws once, seemed well built. Only downside was the need to change the brake block thing when switching to a dado, means it takes a little longer and you have one more piece to keep track of. But for the safety aspect that's not to bad I guess. Also I've heard that cutting green lumber will sometimes trigger the brake, but any carpenter worth his salt wouldn't be using green wood anyway so that's not really and issue.
EDIT: Also the first line in that video is wrong the narrator says "The blade has a sensor..." Which is kind of misleading, the blade does not have a sensor, the blade is merely the conductor to the sensor that triggers the brake. Any metal blade will work in their saws.
$3732 was somewhat close to what I was thinking it would cost but that is far from being "not an issue" since I mostly use mine as a weekend warrior project saw. My shop is far too small (10' by 14') for a saw of that caliper anyway and I knew that asking the question. My question more of curiosity than anything else.
You do bring up yet another question though. When I worked at the cabinet shop we would bring in pieces of oak that were laying outside for long periods of time (in the weather) and cut them for tomato steaks. We used the table saw to cut the points on and I wonder if the water that was absorbed by the wood would set it off too. Again purely out of curiosity since I won't be buying one anytime soon.
After I ran my finger through the saw someone did tell me about such a saw but I was reluctant to believe them since I for the life of me could not figure out how they do it. Makes sense now.
Very interesting.
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Just call me Mr. Butterfingers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNsPh-pxgc
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I've wanted one of these for a while, they seem pretty competitive http://www.toolking.com/industrial-shop-machinery-and-equipment/table-saws-stationary Definitely worth it even if it cost 1000 more. I once cut a tendon in my finger when using a hack saw on a steel rod,(duh rod not wood...it sharp,) and 15 minutes with the hand surgeon costs plenty. I seem to remember last time I looked at one that you had to use a tool to take off the splitter not like the slick one that pushs down on the delta. IMO safety guards etc only work if they are designed to be really easy to use, I put the saw stop tech in that catagory.
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I've wanted one of these for a while, they seem pretty competitive http://www.toolking.com/industrial-shop-machinery-and-equipment/table-saws-stationary Definitely worth it even if it cost 1000 more. I once cut a tendon in my finger when using a hack saw on a steel rod,(duh rod not wood...it sharp,) and 15 minutes with the hand surgeon costs plenty. I seem to remember last time I looked at one that you had to use a tool to take off the splitter not like the slick one that pushs down on the delta. IMO safety guards etc only work if they are designed to be really easy to use, I put the saw stop tech in that catagory.
The one I worked with at my last shop job had a tightening handle underneath above the braking system. Thing about the braking system is once it saves you from cutting yourself, you need to replace not only the brake unit but the blade as well.
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Cut my trigger finger off last year at work on a table saw. Was reattached and, apart from being sensitive, is almost normal. Amazing how fast it can happen.
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First thing I learned from my papa and in woodshop was always use a pushstick, you look cooler with two thumbs.
(http://www.everymantri.com/.a/6a00d83451b18a69e20148c7d33cb9970c-250wi)
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Experience has taught me to not rush.
When I got my finger it was because i was hurrying and not looking to see how close I was to the blade. It is amazing how much attention I pay to hand placement now. I actually cringe a little everytime I use the saw.
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been a cabinet maker for 25 years and i can still count to 10 :aok great invention but i wouldent buy it just cause 1 more thing to go wrong with the equipment
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I've been a wood butcher for nearly 30 years and have seen some horrible accidents.
Most are caused by rushing, using the wrong tool for the work and general stupidity.
Once saw a sparks drill a 20mm hole through his palm. He had one hand holding down
a ceiling rafter while in the other pushing up with a cordless drill and 20mm spade bit.
One of the funniest was an Irish guy who was wearing half an empty cement bag tucked in his
jeans for a nail pouch and using a lump hammer for tacking plasterboard ceilings.
Don't think he'll play the piano again.....
Measure twice....cut once :old:
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rumor has it a neighboring high school has one.... dont get me wrong ,a great thing to have for safety, but the kids at the school are so wreckless and thoughtless of others I'm surprised they havent put hot dogs or theyre own finger in there to ruin the blade.....
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the brake in those saws is a shaped block of aluminum that the blade gets buried into. ruins the blade and the brake, so both have to be replaced. better IMO than some of the accidents I've seen.
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the brake in those saws is a shaped block of aluminum that the blade gets buried into. ruins the blade and the brake, so both have to be replaced. better IMO than some of the accidents I've seen.
no doubt, but the saw is useless until the brake/blade get replaced. being safe in the first place will always be cheaper and more productive then stupid and rushy.
dad was getting rushy back in the '80's to finish a project. hes planing something down, the blades got jammed up or soemthing, he never shut off the machine. stuck his middle finger in to clean out the jam, soon as it was cleared he lost from his finger tip down to the knuckle below his nail.
4 years ago my brother was doing tree work for someone, was getting darkl out hed be workin all day. had a few branches to remove from na tree hed just dropped. used a bar much to large for the branch, and was getting careless due to the light and tiredness. saw kicked and he almost lost his toe.
and people wonder why I work safe in construction and woodworking class..... :rolleyes:
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First thing I learned from my papa and in woodshop was always use a pushstick, you look cooler with two thumbs.
In my case, I was. As I was pushing through, the pushstick snapped in half where there was a knot. First reaction was to put my hands out in front of me so I wouldn't get a facefull of saw. My hands landed on the table, which was covered in sawdust, making it slick as hell. Hand shot forward, hitting the guard, which of course popped up out of the way, and my hand went in. The entire thing was only probably about one second. Found my finger, put it in a bag and headed to the hospital.
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In my case, I was. As I was pushing through, the pushstick snapped in half where there was a knot. First reaction was to put my hands out in front of me so I wouldn't get a facefull of saw. My hands landed on the table, which was covered in sawdust, making it slick as hell. Hand shot forward, hitting the guard, which of course popped up out of the way, and my hand went in. The entire thing was only probably about one second. Found my finger, put it in a bag and headed to the hospital.
:O
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In my case, I was. As I was pushing through, the pushstick snapped in half where there was a knot. First reaction was to put my hands out in front of me so I wouldn't get a facefull of saw. My hands landed on the table, which was covered in sawdust, making it slick as hell. Hand shot forward, hitting the guard, which of course popped up out of the way, and my hand went in. The entire thing was only probably about one second. Found my finger, put it in a bag and headed to the hospital.
Now that is a good story. The closest I've come so far is a guardless mitre saw with a worn out brake that I was always a little afraid of so was especially careful with. Some how I put my finger against the blade as it was coasting down and shaved off an 1/'8 on the side. That thing went right into the trash.
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With accident I actually had planty of room between fence and blade but wasn't watching how close I was to the waste piece. Like I said before too much of a hurry and not watching. Funny I always thought I was going to get it with the right hand and turned out I ended up getting bit in the left index finger, blade went 3/4 the way into finger nail on diagonal. Left index looks anout 1/8 inch shorter than right (thickness of blade). Getting the damn stitches out hurt worse than the actual incident.
Too bad i dont have money for one of those saws and. Really those things won't work in my shop anyway, too heavy. My shop is so small that all tools need to be light enough to be able to be lifted onto a specially built box that has the dust collector hose connected to it. I joticed the smallest one there (the job site saw) weighs in at 230 lbs. Oh well guess I will adopt the "count to 10" rule too.
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Now that is a good story. The closest I've come so far is a guardless mitre saw with a worn out brake that I was always a little afraid of so was especially careful with. Some how I put my finger against the blade as it was coasting down and shaved off an 1/'8 on the side. That thing went right into the trash.
Much to the surprise of my co-workers, I was back at work the next morning. As a single dad with four daughters, a man's gotta work. The first thing I did was get right back on that saw & cut some wood. In my mind, I needed to get over that mental hurdle immediately. I remember everyone around me stopped working to watch me to see what would happen lol. Now, if I had done the same thing again that next morning, i.e. lost another finger, that would be one for the "Here's your sign" books! :lol
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I used to work with table saws, too, but then those doggone chemtrails caused me to lose focus and injure my super bowel.
-Penguin
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With accident I actually had planty of room between fence and blade but wasn't watching how close I was to the waste piece. Like I said before too much of a hurry and not watching. Funny I always thought I was going to get it with the right hand and turned out I ended up getting bit in the left index finger, blade went 3/4 the way into finger nail on diagonal. Left index looks anout 1/8 inch shorter than right (thickness of blade). Getting the damn stitches out hurt worse than the actual incident.
Too bad i dont have money for one of those saws and. Really those things won't work in my shop anyway, too heavy. My shop is so small that all tools need to be light enough to be able to be lifted onto a specially built box that has the dust collector hose connected to it. I joticed the smallest one there (the job site saw) weighs in at 230 lbs. Oh well guess I will adopt the "count to 10" rule too.
There is an optional trolley that you can get. IIRC it ran about $300 I think
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There is an optional trolley that you can get. IIRC it ran about $300 I think
I do appreciate the suggestion though I did find that. Problem is with the limited spave that special built box is the mount for all my large power tools ( planer, jointer, table saw, bandsaw, etc). So everything has to be liftable in order to remove it and stow it under work bench. Without pictures that is really the best i can describe it but space is truly a premium. Some of you maybe be amazed at what my work space looks like after seeing some of the pics I have posted of my past projects.
Pretty cool piece of equipment and if I ever get to a situation where I can grow into a bigger shop and move beyond the weekend warrior status, this will be one ofthe first pieces I will buy.
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It would really help if robots could do stuff like this. It would be like a multi-function scanner/printer/fax machine, except that all the blades would be in one place. It wouldn't be that big, either. It would just have extendable metal arms to align the stock from all sides, and the blades would all converge in the middle. Could it work?
-Penguin
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It would really help if robots could do stuff like this. It would be like a multi-function scanner/printer/fax machine, except that all the blades would be in one place. It wouldn't be that big, either. It would just have extendable metal arms to align the stock from all sides, and the blades would all converge in the middle. Could it work?
-Penguin
Not sure what you mean, there are plenty of robots that build stuff. There are plenty of other options for cutting materials, but generally not available, due to cost, to the average woodworker. A table saw is a pretty basic concept, and can be made relatively cheaply.
On top of all that, I think you'll find many people who build stuff wouldn't want a robot to do all the work for them.
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Not sure what you mean, there are plenty of robots that build stuff. There are plenty of other options for cutting materials, but generally not available, due to cost, to the average woodworker. A table saw is a pretty basic concept, and can be made relatively cheaply.
On top of all that, I think you'll find many people who build stuff wouldn't want a robot to do all the work for them.
+1 to all mentioned points...... Robots can make things look "cleaner" but it takes away from the artistic side of physically making a piece of custom furniture or lawn chair.
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A few years back a carpenter friend of mine was doing some trim work with a table saw while I was in the bathroom doing some finish plumbing. I heard him yelp as he cut the tip of one of his finners off. Since then I have called him 9 and 7/8ths.
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+1 to all mentioned points...... Robots can make things look "cleaner" but it takes away from the artistic side of physically making a piece of custom furniture or lawn chair.
There's no reason that one couldn't make a very complex and beautiful design for the robot to cut, and then do the finishing work by hand. Machines like the ProtoTrax are surprisingly precise, and programs like Autodesk Inventor are surprisingly capable.
-Penguin
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There's no reason that one couldn't make a very complex and beautiful design for the robot to cut, and then do the finishing work by hand. Machines like the ProtoTrax are surprisingly precise, and programs like Autodesk Inventor are surprisingly capable.
-Penguin
And also take the joy of creaying and finishing your own work. Robots would also take out the personal touch that is noticeable on anything that is made by hand.
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I don't see how a chair with a custom hand-sanding is any different from a full custom job other than the risk. Assembly and fitting would also be done by hand. Robotic cutting would be like the difference between using a standard-size pen and just pouring the ink really carefully. The pen just makes it more reliable, but keeps your artistic freedom intact.
-Penguin
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The cutting and shaping of the pieces is where henreal pride comes from. What you propose would be mo different than buying the unassembled furniture at the store.
To be honest I can tell the difference between furniture made in factory and handmade. Most would not but those that do the work themselves with pride can tell.
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I don't see how a chair with a custom hand-sanding is any different from a full custom job other than the risk.
-Penguin
Exactly, you don't see because you've never had the joy of building something yourself.
I'm an amateur, so maybe not the best example, but here is a table I recently built. I could have easily bought a table and assembled it, but that takes the joy out of creating.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/IMG_20120206_155947.jpg)
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I didn't mean to suggest that we ought to buy the parts pre-made, I meant to suggest that having robots make our artistic visions come to life would be far more reliable and safer than making the parts ourselves. I have had the joy of making things myself, and out of a variety of materials including wood, aluminum, and polycarbonate (we custom-tool many things on our robotics team). Having the Proto-Trax do the fine milling really makes the fit-and-finish smooth while still allowing us to create innovative and unique robots.
-Penguin
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Fair enough, but here are the facts, most woodworkers would not buy a robot because:
1) They probably wouldn't be able to afford it
2) They probably wouldn't have room for it
3) They just plain don't want it
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I am not trying to knock your idea penquin but it's not seeing my vision come out as much as it is making it come to light with my own hands. Drawing it out with CAD and watching a machine spit it out is mo where near the same as shaping and formin wih my own 2 hands.
Most will tell you it's the crafting not the vision that the are lookin for.
Either way everyone has there own expectations for me I would never stay in woodworking if I could not do all the shaping and cutting myself and the table saw is a necessary piece of equipment when crafting any piece.
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Ah, the joys of historical reenactment...
I kid, I kid. Have fun, and count to ten when you're done! :)
-Penguin