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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rich52 on February 04, 2012, 05:55:06 PM
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Why is it you see so few of them in the main nowadays? How could such a cool aircraft never have missions built around them? Or squads that specialize in them? Or more Loners who just want to upp them?
They are the very definition of "cool"! Why?
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wood sucks.
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The Mossie has never been really common, though it has gained slightly since it was remodeled.
It is one of the most under-appreciated aircraft in the game and one of the best perk farmers as well.
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Main reason I see it is because its not a late war dominating aircraft, most if not all single engines can out turn it which leaves it to be a picker, except it can't run away or out turn many aircraft.
I use it from time to time to build perks, but its not a true fighter and picking is boring.
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Main reason I see it is because its not a late war dominating aircraft, most if not all single engines can out turn it which leaves it to be a picker, except it can't run away or out turn many aircraft.
I use it from time to time to build perks, but its not a true fighter and picking is boring.
The only ones that will out run it down low are perked and the La-7, Fw190D-9, Typhoon, Bf109K-4, P-51D, P-47M, P-47N and Ta152, of which it can out turn a fair number.
I often see people give up and just die because they think they can't fight and win. I'd take it over a P-51D in a dogfight at low altitude, for example.
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I love it.
Fast, agile and hard hitting. Some day I'll get good... and then you shall all pay for your insolence.
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The only ones that will out run it down low are perked and the La-7, Fw190D-9, Typhoon, Bf109K-4, P-51D, P-47M, P-47N and Ta152, of which it can out turn a fair number.
I often see people give up and just die because they think they can't fight and win. I'd take it over a P-51D in a dogfight at low altitude, for example.
Considering the list you chose is what you "Typically" see in the Late War Arena - this is why the Mossie doesn't get flown often, except by a few handful, same as the C.205 in which I fly.
Except 205 doesn't do anything good except run out of fuel in a timely fashion.
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You see a lot of Spitfires, N1Ks, F4Us, P-38s and Ki-84s as well.
Granted, an Fw190D-9 and a Spitfire Mk XVI on you is a really, really nasty situation.
At least the Mossie has fuel and firepower going for it.
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Its a good B&Z'er. Most of all with a wingman. As a raider it very well might be best in the game.
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Its a good B&Z'er. Most of all with a wingman. As a raider it very well might be best in the game.
110 best raider. i use moss all the time though and very rarely fly the 110 even though i do love it. this if because mossy is a perk farmer. i avg 7-10 perks per short flight. 2 kills couple of guns and a few building. then trip to tower...cant really fly around in ack in a wood plane
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The Mossie is too hard to fly for the "crutch grabber" players. The Mossi cant as easily drop all its ord on a town or hangers, then dog fight down low and slow like the P51D can. The Mossi is a more capable attack aircraft than the crutch planes, but too narrow for most people to put to good use. Simply put, it is too much of a challenge for most people.
I love the Mossi, I fly it a lot. :aok
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Versatility and range are commodities of low demand in the arenas. Typical ranges are short enough to allow all planes to operate and you can grab a different plane for every specific mission. For the typical "drive fast to the target with 2000 lbs, dive vertically, release and auger/run away" there are better planes to be found. It is not a one dimensional plane that has a clear single solution to everything. Most players prefer "one strategy defeats all" planes - i.e., being the fastest and run from everything, being the best turner and just yank on the stick.
Main reason I see it is because its not a late war dominating aircraft, most if not all single engines can out turn it which leaves it to be a picker, except it can't run away or out turn many aircraft.
I use it from time to time to build perks, but its not a true fighter and picking is boring.
You'd be surprised what it can out turn slow on the deck. Its not a spitfire, but it can hang with and even defeat many of the high wingload fighters in a circle fight. Aside from that, you have the wrong attitude - if your plane is not the best at knife fighting, picking is the wrong strategy! Dogfighting these planes is the best fun this game has to offer. Try the Mossie, A20 or even A26 and you'd never ever cherry pick again no matte what you fly. 190s are also great fun to knife fight with.
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Versatility and range are commodities of low demand in the arenas. Typical ranges are short enough to allow all planes to operate and you can grab a different plane for every specific mission. For the typical "drive fast to the target with 2000 lbs, dive vertically, release and auger/run away" there are better planes to be found. It is not a one dimensional plane that has a clear single solution to everything. Most players prefer "one strategy defeats all" planes - i.e., being the fastest and run from everything, being the best turner and just yank on the stick.
You'd be surprised what it can out turn slow on the deck. Its not a spitfire, but it can hang with and even defeat many of the high wingload fighters in a circle fight. Aside from that, you have the wrong attitude - if your plane is not the best at knife fighting, picking is the wrong strategy! Dogfighting these planes is the best fun this game has to offer. Try the Mossie, A20 or even A26 and you'd never ever cherry pick again no matte what you fly. 190s are also great fun to knife fight with.
The Mossie will out turn a lot of aircraft including the P51D, problem is that it doesn't maneuver well at all at slower speeds. So once the E is lost is floats like a balloon ,literally. If there is some alt to be used up, it does have the trick of going nose down and WEP on and that will save it more so than trying to maneuver. The best bet for a Mossi is to have a cover plane to allow it to perform its mission, which is best described as pummeling a town. Auto ack is not nice at all to the Mossi, so that too is a factor when peeps are deciding on the "easy" factor.
The Mossi is an awesome aircraft, it performs the ground pounder role very well. It is just a big target for auto-ack and is an easy pick for fighters while it is performing that role.
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What a nasty crash!!! :O
(http://organizeanything.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/wood_pile.png)
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What a nasty crash!!! :O
(http://organizeanything.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/wood_pile.png)
:rofl
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I love seeing Mossies. I approach them smartly knowing there is a 50/50 chance they guy flying it really knows what they are doing. Half the time it's moving target practice, noobsville. The other half its an experten and its a serious dogfight where any mistakes will get you killed. I've been flying the PonyD exclusively lately and the comments about being closely matched are correct.
<S> experten Mossie drivers!
Boo
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I suspect a good P-51D driver would be a very good and fun fight for a Mossie VI (at low altitudes), but sadly, as with Spitfire Mk XVIs, good P-51D drivers are very rare compared to the vast numbers of players who have no idea how to use it and just fly it because it is "the best".
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I suspect a good P-51D driver would be a very good and fun fight for a Mossie VI (at low altitudes), but sadly, as with Spitfire Mk XVIs, good P-51D drivers are very rare compared to the vast numbers of players who have no idea how to use it and just fly it because it is "the best".
The Mossie must be seen as a deadly threat, flew it a few times last night and couldn't get a fair fight out of it - instead gang banged by everyone within 6k.
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The Mossie must be seen as a deadly threat, flew it a few times last night and couldn't get a fair fight out of it - instead gang banged by everyone within 6k.
More like a free kill. :p
Some nights are that way, but sometimes you rack up some good sorties in it.
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More like a free kill. :p
Some nights are that way, but sometimes you rack up some good sorties in it.
I'm still struggling with a new stick and rudder pedals, probably not the best time to fly a Mossie - but I'd rather re-learn the game trying to furball a mossie on the deck then in a P51-D picking.
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If I had to guess, I would say that the mossie isn't seen as much because of two main reasons:
1) Not many know what its capable of, and of those that are, the mossie is too difficult for them to bother learning. They would rather fly something thats easy to fly and land kills in.
2) Since the Mossie is seen as an easy kill by many (I share that view, if you don't be stupid, and don't bump into an ace), the nature of the MA means that you're almost guaranteed to meet an enemy who is hell-bent on killing you. If hes any good, you probably won't be able to keep ordnance during the fight. That means that you've lost most of your capability as an attack aircraft (all you have left are the guns), and that even a 109G-2 with a 500lb bomb would have been better for doing damage to town.
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I never fly the FB Mossie with ordnance.
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The only ones that will out run it down low are perked and the La-7, Fw190D-9, Typhoon, Bf109K-4, P-51D, P-47M, P-47N and Ta152, of which it can out turn a fair number.
Yak9 as well.
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Yak9 as well.
Eventually, but the Mossie is pretty much the same speed while it has WEP, 357mph.
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The Mossie must be seen as a deadly threat, flew it a few times last night and couldn't get a fair fight out of it - instead gang banged by everyone within 6k.
This is much better than having to chase them across two sectors.
The mossies like all twin engine birds are more vulnerable to picking, simply due to their size. From a pure defensive stance, making the enemy miss his supersonic pass is more difficult when you are bigger.
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the mossie has less ord than most US fighters in the game, while being less survivable. It does have the cannons going for him, but they won't kill a hangar first pass.
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Why is it you see so few of them in the main nowadays? How could such a cool aircraft never have missions built around them? Or squads that specialize in them? Or more Loners who just want to upp them?
They are the very definition of "cool"! Why?
I enjoy flying and fighting in the "Mossie", but what I don't like are the almost instant pilot wounds in a dogfight or from ground ack!! Should it be re-modeled to stop some these insane pilot wounds? Maybe Hymni and Debordy know I am in the cockpit and thats where they aim!!! lol :furious
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I enjoy flying and fighting in the "Mossie", but what I don't like are the almost instant pilot wounds in a dogfight or from ground ack!! Should it be re-modeled to stop some these insane pilot wounds? Maybe Hymni and Debordy know I am in the cockpit and thats where they aim!!! lol :furious
That is a problem common to all twin engined fighters in AH. It is caused, I believe, by the lack of an engine block in front of you acting as additional armor.
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Mossie is a big target that bring alot of attention to itself.
Everytime I see a mossie I'll go after it...easy kill IMO.
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Mossie is a big target that bring alot of attention to itself.
Everytime I see a mossie I'll go after it...easy kill IMO.
Depends on what you are flying. Bf109s are very effective against it though. Fw190s, P-51s and P-47s much less so.
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The fighters I feel like I have the hardest time against are the Bf109s, Ki-84 and Spitfires.
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Kis don't bother me too much, to my surprise. Only 109 that gives me grief is the F. I generally fare badly against Corsairs, though tripp was flying one when he contributed my sig.
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I'm pretty sure I've killed every mossie I have encountered while flying a 110.
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Mossies aren't too accuratley built honestly. I'm against pretty much anything RAF but I do have sympathy for pilots, I fly the P-47 often which is more rugged, better performing, better turning radius (I think), and slightly greater fire power and climb rate. I think the P-47 should have the paddle prop etc etc. However the mossie needs an update and more variants IMO.
Also :salute to all veterans who have served, heard the news that WWII vets are dying at a rate of 740 a day.
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I'm pretty sure I've killed every mossie I have encountered while flying a 110.
Funny. My K/D ratio against Bf110s while flying the Mossie is hundreds to one. Bf110s are at a heavy disadvantage against the Mossie due to their slower speed and poorer climb rate.
Mossies aren't too accuratley built honestly. I'm against pretty much anything RAF but I do have sympathy for pilots, I fly the P-47 often which is more rugged, better performing, better turning radius (I think), and slightly greater fire power and climb rate. I think the P-47 should have the paddle prop etc etc.
In my experience the Mossie out turns any P-47, has more "damage points", but being larger takes more hits. Firepowerwise is a split. The P-47 when ladeled with bombs does more damage to ground targets, though it handles the ordnance much poorer than the Mossie handles its 2,000lbs. Gunswise the Mosquito has about thirteen .50 cals worth of firepower, all centerline. Climb rates of the Mk VI, P-47M and P-47N are similar at low alts. Obviously the P-47s dominate at higher alts.
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You see a lot of Spitfires, N1Ks, F4Us, P-38s and Ki-84s as well.
Granted, an Fw190D-9 and a Spitfire Mk XVI on you is a really, really nasty situation.
At least the Mossie has fuel and firepower going for it.
Or just an experienced D-9. :P (I <3 wood)
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The Mossie is some good stuff. :aok
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Funny. My K/D ratio against Bf110s while flying the Mossie is hundreds to one. Bf110s are at a heavy disadvantage against the Mossie due to their slower speed and poorer climb rate.
In my experience the Mossie out turns any P-47, has more "damage points", but being larger takes more hits. Firepowerwise is a split. The P-47 when ladeled with bombs does more damage to ground targets, though it handles the ordnance much poorer than the Mossie handles its 2,000lbs. Gunswise the Mosquito has about thirteen .50 cals worth of firepower, all centerline. Climb rates of the Mk VI, P-47M and P-47N are similar at low alts. Obviously the P-47s dominate at higher alts.
Where can I view these stats?
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Where can I view these stats?
I have been generated some of them and have them on a spread sheet on my computer. The turning bit is simply my experience with P-47s, if I get in a turn fight with them I win.
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Karnak, to be fair, there are less 110 pilots that are skilled enough to match your caliber. Yeah, I can slaughter 110 pilots who don't have the expierience to use the plane competently in the fighter role, but I can also do that in a 109F, or even an E given some alt to turn into speed.
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The 110 is like flying a rock to me compared to the Mossie. It doesnt even dive or roll well. All it has is lots of guns and bombs and most of it success was when dar was 200' and used in NOE missions. Other then that a 110 coming in is a 110 dead. With the Mossie I at least feel like I have a chance. Also 4 Hispanos in the mose IS the ultimate ATA gun package.
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Care to put that theory to the test?
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Care to put that theory to the test?
lemme guess... you want to have a Mexican stand off???
The point is, do you want your knockout punch from Holyfield or Tyson? Holyfield does it all better than Tyson with exception to the raw power category (dmg/sec and deliverable damage available), and even then the stats are too close.
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Dang that voice of reason.
You are correct so it's best I just check my stats at the end of the tour.
I'll post them at this thread whether good or bad stats.
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The 110 is like flying a rock to me compared to the Mossie. It doesnt even dive or roll well. All it has is lots of guns and bombs and most of it success was when dar was 200' and used in NOE missions. Other then that a 110 coming in is a 110 dead. With the Mossie I at least feel like I have a chance. Also 4 Hispanos in the mose IS the ultimate ATA gun package.
This and the 110 is a really unstable platform...mossie is a way smoother plane to fly.
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Juggler would argue a point. Hes actually pretty good in a 110.
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Juggler would argue a point. Hes actually pretty good in a 110.
mossie has everything on 110 except guns which is still kinda close when comparing its ability to wax a fighter (hands down 110 with gun package owns bombers like a mossie cant), and armor which mossie has wood and 110 can take some hits but with u put 4 hispanos on a 110 it goes boom so point is moot. i love flying 110 but i love 262 perks so mossie is the poor mans 110. i really think eny of 110 should be 20, as a fighter it cant handle it self like a single engine late war fighter and as an attack plane there is plenty of planes in that category that carry more weight of ords. its really only a decent attack plane without the armor of an il2, in high alt buff killer role u better plan way ahead and hope there is not higher escort. so why take 110 and get 3 perks for killing a couple of guns few buildings and a vulch or 2; when a mossie that can do it faster with more survivability, (due to speedy, not armor) and can do it for 7-12 perks and that's not living through the experience
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mossie has everything on 110 except guns which is still kinda close
The guns are sort of a trade off. The Bf110G-2's guns have a lot more firepower, but the ballistics on the Mosquito's guns are superior. I'd say that against fighters the Mosquito's guns are better and against bombers and structures the Bf110G-2's guns are better.
If, as I expect, the Me410 introduces the MK103 the Mosquito is likely to lose it's first place standing for having the best air-to-air gun package in AH.
and armor which mossie has wood and 110 can take some hits
The Mossie is tougher than the Bf110 is as testing has demonstrated. Wood was more durable than aluminum for a number of reasons and HTC has modeled it as such. Just because aluminum is metal doesn't make it armor. Both the Bf110 and Mosquito have self sealing fuel tanks and pilot armor.
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Wood retains a realtively high percentage of strength even after it's been stressed or damaged to near failure.
I jump for joy when I up a 110 for buffs and find fighter escorts and will ignore the bombers to kill the escorts.
This is because I plan very far ahead and always have an altitude advantage.
Most high altitude escorts dive away the second they figure out they are the target.........which allows me to kill the buffs and use the altitude advantage I did not surrender to chase the escort fighter down.
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This and the 110 is a really unstable platform...mossie is a way smoother plane to fly.
The 110 is a turd with wings on it. No wonder they got smattered in real life. I got so burned out on them when NOE missions in them were the rage and never understood why Mossies never replaced them in this capacity. I used to run all RAF NOEs featuring the Mossie, typhie, and Spits. They used to hit the base so fast, with so much firepower, they would just dominate the airspace.
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I flew it a lot when ENY was high. My only strong dislike is the apparent fragility of would. It has taken far less hits than the p-38 to turn it into kindling. I suppose its large size and splintering wood are too costly. :old:
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I flew it a lot when ENY was high. My only strong dislike is the apparent fragility of would. It has taken far less hits than the p-38 to turn it into kindling. I suppose its large size and splintering wood are too costly. :old:
From deacking fields where each hit is more or less seperate it seems that the mossie can take a good amount of punishment. Perhaps it's large size means that you're receiving alot more hits?
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Oh, and if u fly these super light, they're awesome :aok the only problem is alot of pilots seem to flock to you for the "easy" kill
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Best fight I've ever had in a mossie was against a Spitfire Mk 14 in the mossie Mk 16. I fought him to a stand still, though I lost both my drones of course, and mannaged to land about 8000lbs of damage when he had to RTB for fuel.