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Title: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tordon22 on February 08, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
It has come to my attention that the tanks fights of AH have suffered greatly from the spawn camp. I have also been wanting to see this idea in game for quite some time, so here goes.

Anti-tank dogs. Russian idea, 1942-onwards. Dogs were taught to seek food under vehicles and strapped with explosives. Dog runs under the opposing tanks and were detonated. End of story. Google for images and even videos of them.

Now, this would obviously be weird to implement and would be awfully annoying to have an unlimited supply running around. But I believe we can find a system that works, IE a large perk cost to allow the dogs to be purchased immediately to give people a chance to remove that annoying spawn camper. Or we can borrow a concept from an amazing game in an amazing community on an awesome system. This would be Call of Duty for the Xbox or Playstation. In that game they allow you to cash in kills for various items or bonuses. The floor is open for any debate but I'm thinkin somewhere in the neigh boorhood of 6-10 kills would allow you to unlock a anti tank dog.

There is also mention of the effectiveness of these dogs, sometimes blowing up their own tanks. I think there should be some probability involved here like with our puffy ack. Maybe 85% chance to destroy the enemy tank, 5% chance to destroy your own, 10% chance it finds a can of puppies choice halfway and is never seen again. I'm thinking either a direct effect on a targeted tank by unleashing the puppy, or a person controlled dog, allowing for sneakiness and dodging of enemy fire. These dogs will obviously be able to be destroyed by small arms fire and may give actual purpose to the pintle and turret guns of some tanks.

Thanks for your time, DWMW.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: MK-84 on February 08, 2012, 09:33:41 AM
 :huh
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: matt on February 08, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
It has come to my attention that the tanks fights of AH have suffered greatly from the spawn camp. I have also been wanting to see this idea in game for quite some time, so here goes.

Anti-tank dogs. Russian idea, 1942-onwards. Dogs were taught to seek food under vehicles and strapped with explosives. Dog runs under the opposing tanks and were detonated. End of story. Google for images and even videos of them.

Now, this would obviously be weird to implement and would be awfully annoying to have an unlimited supply running around. But I believe we can find a system that works, IE a large perk cost to allow the dogs to be purchased immediately to give people a chance to remove that annoying spawn camper. Or we can borrow a concept from an amazing game in an amazing community on an awesome system. This would be Call of Duty for the Xbox or Playstation. In that game they allow you to cash in kills for various items or bonuses. The floor is open for any debate but I'm thinkin somewhere in the neigh boorhood of 6-10 kills would allow you to unlock a anti tank dog.

There is also mention of the effectiveness of these dogs, sometimes blowing up their own tanks. I think there should be some probability involved here like with our puffy ack. Maybe 85% chance to destroy the enemy tank, 5% chance to destroy your own, 10% chance it finds a can of puppies choice halfway and is never seen again. I'm thinking either a direct effect on a targeted tank by unleashing the puppy, or a person controlled dog, allowing for sneakiness and dodging of enemy fire. These dogs will obviously be able to be destroyed by small arms fire and may give actual purpose to the pintle and turret guns of some tanks.

Thanks for your time, DWMW.
Davidwales is back  :rofl
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: FLS on February 08, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Recruiter: We're looking for volunteers to eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: You must be willing to travel and eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: The job involves chasing vehicles and eating food.
Dog: Woof! Woof!
Recruiter: You'll be working with 3 different countries. Do you speak any other languages?
Dog: Meow?
Recruiter: Great. Let's just get these explosives strapped to your back.
Dog: Grrrrrrrrrr.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: EVZ on February 08, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
Dogs were taught to seek food under vehicles and strapped with explosives. Dog runs under the opposing tanks and were detonated. End of story. Google for images and even videos of them.
Peta has taken your idea under advisement and will get back to you ... BOY! will they get BACK TO YOU !!!
:devil
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: grizz441 on February 08, 2012, 10:43:52 AM
David Wales would have wanted this.

+1
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: grizz441 on February 08, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
I would also like to supplement to this wish.  Based on the severity of the spawn camp, dogs with different abilities can be selected to be used.  For example if it is a very minor camp, a dachshund who isn't very hungry could be selected.  Whether or not he makes it to his target is really kind of a crap shoot.  If the camp is severe, obviously you would have very hungry, well trained, nimble, and fast, Australian shepards that would make their target most of the time.  Would definitely add to the dynamics of tank battles and turn the tides of war quite effectively.   :salute
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: prowl3r on February 08, 2012, 11:38:43 AM
while this was used by the soviets IF this were brought in they should be modeled properly. they used t34s to train these animals which were gasoline powered but in combat the panzers were diesel so the dogs wouldent think they were targets but would instead target thier own tanks!!!! besides i dont think they were deployed in squa, errr pack strength
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Noir on February 08, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
I'd rather have the rpg donkey before  :old:
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: MAINER on February 08, 2012, 11:57:26 AM
+1 long live david wales!
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: guncrasher on February 08, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
what kind of dogs we talking about?  chihuahua won't work.



you really need to get more research.

Semp
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Wiley on February 08, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
There's no copypasta from wikipedia here...  I can't follow the idea.

Wiley.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tupac on February 08, 2012, 01:27:30 PM
His spirit lives on through us. <solitary tear streams down cheek>

+1
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Rob52240 on February 08, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
I thought that the Russians trained these dogs to find food under russian tanks though?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tordon22 on February 08, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
Come on guys, a lot of you like to brag about your 'dog fyteing' skills but those same few seem to be cowering at the thought of actual dogs.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: grizz441 on February 08, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
Come on guys, a lot of you like to brag about your 'dog fyteing' skills but those same few seem to be cowering at the thought of actual dogs.

People would probably game the game by turning up the dog panting noises to an unrealistic level so they can hear the dogs come and pwn them with top guns.  If this is implemented there should be no volume adjustment option for the dogs.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: pembquist on February 08, 2012, 02:39:05 PM
What does this remind me of?......Oh yeah, who was it that won the cold war?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Reaper90 on February 08, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
I want this just so I can see a dozen mutts with TNT strapped to them as a loadout option for the M3 in the hanger....

 :banana:
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: 1Nicolas on February 08, 2012, 04:08:29 PM
So killing dogs? The only people using this tactic if it ever gets implanted is animal haters.
-1 and -1 it never saw operation I think
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: AKP on February 08, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
Someone must have been one of the "campees" at V135 last night.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/V135_Crack.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: 1Nicolas on February 08, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
David Wales would have wanted this.

+1
Wasn't your avatar davidwales avatar? Talk about more davidwales. Ohhh lordy lordy :uhoh
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 08, 2012, 04:14:27 PM
-1 it never saw operation I think

I know it may be tough with not many brain cells, but try and think again.

ack-ack
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: MachFly on February 08, 2012, 04:17:44 PM
what kind of dogs we talking about?  chihuahua won't work.

 :rofl
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 08, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
while this was used by the soviets IF this were brought in they should be modeled properly. they used t34s to train these animals which were gasoline powered but in combat the panzers were diesel so the dogs wouldent think they were targets but would instead target thier own tanks!!!! besides i dont think they were deployed in squa, errr pack strength

Switch those tanks. T-34's had diesel engines, while the Panzers burned gasoline.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: 1Nicolas on February 08, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
I know it may be tough with not many brain cells, but try and think again.

ack-ack
JERK HAVE SOME RESPECT IM TRYING AT LEAST!  :furious :mad:
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: steely07 on February 08, 2012, 06:31:49 PM
(http://users.tpg.com.au/steelyj//this_is_dog.png)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Rich52 on February 08, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
"Mom, theres a message from the War Dept. concerning the dog".
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/lassie.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tec on February 08, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
This idea is bril!  Also can I have a cage on top of my tank full of Bat Bombs that can be released to home in on bomb****s and blow them from the sky?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: RoGenT on February 08, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
If we ever got into a third world war and came to resorting to using dogs as suicide doggy attacks on tanks (well, it isn't suicide since the dog has no idea it is about ready to die) then let me be the first to volunteer my neighbors dog   :devil....I can't stand that dog and he'll literally bark at anything that moves.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Butcher on February 08, 2012, 08:06:01 PM
(http://images.ea.com/games/redalert3/Units/AttackDog/RA3_AttackDog1.jpg)

Here are your suicide dogs, now go play Red Alert 2.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Rob52240 on February 08, 2012, 08:57:56 PM
Who proposed this in the first place?  Michael Vick?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: 1sum41 on February 08, 2012, 09:28:01 PM
Who proposed this in the first place?  Michael Vick?
:uhoh :bolt:
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: bangsbox on February 08, 2012, 09:41:39 PM
left click barks, right click booms
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: 321BAR on February 08, 2012, 10:37:10 PM
(http://images.ea.com/games/redalert3/Units/AttackDog/RA3_AttackDog1.jpg)

Here are your suicide dogs, now go play Red Alert 2.
AoEIII's better than Red Alert "3" the RA2 dogs actually were useful
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: matt on February 08, 2012, 11:37:29 PM
Who proposed this in the first place?  Michael Vick?
lol
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Volron on February 09, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
(http://images.ea.com/games/redalert3/Units/AttackDog/RA3_AttackDog1.jpg)

Here are your suicide dogs, now go play Red Alert 2.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Now I have an urge to play the Red Alert series.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Lab Rat 3947 on February 09, 2012, 02:39:12 AM
Quote
Recruiter: We're looking for volunteers to eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: You must be willing to travel and eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: The job involves chasing vehicles and eating food.
Dog: Woof! Woof!
Recruiter: You'll be working with 3 different countries. Do you speak any other languages?
Dog: Meow?
Recruiter: Great. Let's just get these explosives strapped to your back.
Dog: Grrrrrrrrrr.


 :rofl    :old:
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Reaper90 on February 09, 2012, 06:45:48 AM
So killing dogs? The only people using this tactic if it ever gets implanted is animal haters.
-1 and -1 it never saw operation I think

 :huh

 :bhead
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Reaper90 on February 09, 2012, 06:52:26 AM
Switch those tanks. T-34's had diesel engines, while the Panzers burned gasoline.

Don't know about T34's but I was always of the understanding that the Panzers were diesels, one of the (many) reasons they had an advantage on the 'Merican tanks in combat - they tended to not explode when hit like the "Tommy cookers" did.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on February 09, 2012, 07:16:47 AM
Have I recently woken up in the Twilight Zone...where the world is turned upside down, no means yes, and stupid ideas are mistaken for great ones???  :ahand :bhead
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: prowl3r on February 09, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
"Mom, theres a message from the War Dept. concerning the dog".
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/lassie.jpg)


dad you told me that lassie went to school to learn about well safety :lol
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on February 09, 2012, 10:38:19 AM
So killing dogs? The only people using this tactic if it ever gets implanted is animal haters.
-1 and -1 it never saw operation I think

This was an actual tactic used by the Russians and on more than a fewe occasions, Lassie DID come right back home and blew plenty of those dumbarse REussians to hell, thus helping rather than hindering the Nazi's. Only worked a few times. Do the research
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tordon22 on February 09, 2012, 11:15:25 AM
I like how many of you vote no, but you can't offer any constructive criticism or counter points. I think its a unique way to deal with spawn camps and the like.


Discuss.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: GNucks on February 09, 2012, 01:15:12 PM
Don't you mean kamikanines?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Reaper90 on February 09, 2012, 02:54:16 PM
Don't you mean kamikanines?

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Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: jimbo71 on February 09, 2012, 05:22:26 PM
(http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/wwii-was-funny.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tupac on February 09, 2012, 05:24:27 PM
(http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/wwii-was-funny.jpg)

 :rofl
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 09, 2012, 06:02:12 PM
Don't know about T34's but I was always of the understanding that the Panzers were diesels, one of the (many) reasons they had an advantage on the 'Merican tanks in combat - they tended to not explode when hit like the "Tommy cookers" did.

Nope. The Panzer's along with most M4's burned gasoline. Armor at cosine thickness (on the hull, the panzer's turret has always been a weakness) between the two tanks has a difference of a mere 5mm. The difference is that the German panzer's (well, the Panzer IV at least) had been carrying the KwK 40 since mid 1942, while the Allies didn't upgun the M4 untill July of 1944.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: MK-84 on February 09, 2012, 06:13:28 PM
I was under the impression that it wasnt the fuel so much as it was the ordinance carried.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 09, 2012, 06:28:36 PM
Don't know about T34's but I was always of the understanding that the Panzers were diesels, one of the (many) reasons they had an advantage on the 'Merican tanks in combat - they tended to not explode when hit like the "Tommy cookers" did.

Gasoline had nothing to do with the tendency of early Sherman's catching fire when hit, it was due to the dry stowage of the tank shells in the turret of the tank that caused around 80% of early Shermans to catch fire.  As soon as wet stowage was introduced, the rate of Shermans catching fire dramatically dropped.

ack-ack
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Shuffler on February 10, 2012, 03:40:38 PM
mmmm hot dogs


pass the chili
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: lyric1 on February 10, 2012, 11:41:45 PM
 :headscratch:  Think I would prefer the CV killers more than the tank killers.


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/imagesCAUYKJ86.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Martyn on February 11, 2012, 07:26:10 AM
If we have suicide dogs, then I want suicide pigeons!  :P

Oh ... wait one. They never got to squadron strength did they?
Scratch that.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: SWkiljoy on February 12, 2012, 05:17:33 PM
I thought this was AH and not CoD WaW?!?!   :headscratch:  :huh
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 12, 2012, 06:28:01 PM
If we have suicide dogs, then I want suicide pigeons!  :P

Oh ... wait one. They never got to squadron strength did they?
Scratch that.

didnt it take an entire squadron to knock out a plane?
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: guncrasher on February 12, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
didnt it take an entire squadron to knock out a plane?

actually pigeons were never used to attack planes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf1bx37lh_M

"I just remembered my Charlemagne...'Let my armies be the rocks and the trees, and the birds in the sky."


semp
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 12, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
actually pigeons were never used to attack planes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf1bx37lh_M

"I just remembered my Charlemagne...'Let my armies be the rocks and the trees, and the birds in the sky."


semp


hahaha that is too funny i was gunna post that link but those arent pigeons hahaha!
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: guncrasher on February 12, 2012, 08:51:54 PM

hahaha that is too funny i was gunna post that link but those arent pigeons hahaha!

yeah that's why i said pigeons were never used  :D.


semp
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Zodiac on February 13, 2012, 05:54:45 PM
Recruiter: We're looking for volunteers to eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: You must be willing to travel and eat food.
Dog: Woof!
Recruiter: The job involves chasing vehicles and eating food.
Dog: Woof! Woof!
Recruiter: You'll be working with 3 different countries. Do you speak any other languages?
Dog: Meow?
Recruiter: Great. Let's just get these explosives strapped to your back.
Dog: Grrrrrrrrrr.



  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Bino on February 13, 2012, 06:00:58 PM
(http://doggles.com/images/doggles_3.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: AirLynx on February 13, 2012, 06:21:24 PM
:headscratch:  Think I would prefer the CV killers more than the tank killers.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/imagesCAUYKJ86.jpg)
:rofl
If we have suicide dogs, then I want suicide pigeons!  :P
Oh ... wait one. They never got to squadron strength did they?
Scratch that.

I think I remeber hearing something on an experiment in using pigeons to guide bombs.

And +1 to all animal weapons!
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Babalonian on February 13, 2012, 06:27:39 PM
*scratches chin* 

DWMW = Jihad Extremists = confirmed.

 :devil   :bolt:

Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: TDeacon on February 13, 2012, 08:41:16 PM
Anti tank dogs is a ridiculous, wimpy idea.

Instead, I propose anti-tank dinosaurs.  If they are large enough, no exposives would be needed.  Have them randomly spawn at spawn sites, and home on the nearest nme.  

(http://home.comcast.net/~mark.hinds/misc_online_storage_dir/dino_versus_tank.jpg)
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: Shuffler on February 14, 2012, 10:54:50 AM
I think they pulled the sheep out of the game because of concerns about sheep terrorist.


They could already flip a tank... all they needed is a bomb.
Title: Re: ANTI TANK DOGS
Post by: oakranger on February 14, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Great!   Now we just need to established code purple : animal right activist on AH.