Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: skribetm on February 08, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
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In a move that casts yet another shadow over Intel’s ability to craft a decent integrated GPU, the engineers from Santa Clara were caught cheating at its CES 2012 press conference last night. Mooley Eden, the general manager of Intel’s PC group, was on stage to show off the the DirectX 11 capabilities of Ivy Bridge’s HD Graphics 2500 GPU — but instead of actually driving a lap in F1 2011, Eden cheated and pressed play on a pre-rendered video in VLC.
As you can see in the video below, the VLC control panel pops up, and the car continues to drive itself after Eden leaves the steering wheel (causing the astute audience to laugh). Curiously, according to some sources, Eden then went on to state — in front of press and financial analysts — that the demo was running live from an Ivy Bridge chip. Intel has since issued an official statement, admitting that Eden used a video “for expediency.”
It’s not a question of whether Intel cheated at the CES press conference, then, but how badly Intel cheated. Is the video a recording of an Ivy Bridge integrated GPU playing F1 2011, or is it another GPU entirely? Intel’s official statement says that Ivy Bridge runs DX11 “extremely well” — but then why did Eden fudge his way through the demonstration and then lie about it afterwards? If Intel is happy to admit, via a spokesperson, that they used a pre-rendered video — why didn’t Eden tell the audience before the demo?
> source (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112945-intel-fakes-ivy-bridge-gpu-directx-11-demo-at-ces)
contrast that to this;
> market watch (http://bit.ly/AolY2X)
PRESS RELEASE
Dec. 19, 2011, 1:24 p.m. EST
Trust Across America Names Top Ten Most Trustworthy Public Companies for 2011
Trust Across America(TM), a think tank dedicated to unraveling the complexities of trustworthy business behavior, today announced the results of its second annual study of almost 2500 public companies, naming Smithfield Foods as the Most Trustworthy Public Company for 2011.
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The following is a ranked list of the Top 10 Most Trustworthy Companies in America 2011:
#1 Smithfield Foods (SFD), a global food company ( http://www.smithfieldfoods.com )
#2 Xcel Energy (XEL), a regional supplier of electric power and natural gas ( http://www.xcelenergy.com )
#3 Nike, Inc. (NKE), a global marketer of athletic footwear, apparel and equipment ( http://www.nikeinc.com )
#4 Dole Food Company (DOLE), the world's largest producer of high quality fruits and vegetables ( http://www.dole.com )
#5 Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), a semiconductor design innovator ( http://www.amd.com )
Guess cheating just goes well with intel, just to be consistent with their history;
1. changing cpuid to GenuineIntel nets 47.4% increase in performance:
http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_Forced_to_Remove_quot_Cripple_AMD_quot_Function_from_Compiler_ (http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_Forced_to_Remove_quot_Cripple_AMD_quot_Function_from_Compiler_)
2. PCMark/Futuremark rigged bentmark to favor intel:
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=135382#p139712 (http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=135382#p139712)
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/reviews/2008/07/atom-nano-review.ars/6 (http://arstechnica.com/hardware/reviews/2008/07/atom-nano-review.ars/6)
3. intel cheating at 3DMark vantage via driver:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17732/2 (http://techreport.com/articles.x/17732/2)
4. intel antitrust lawsuit, paid off DELL not to use amd chips
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/technology/companies/05chip.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/technology/companies/05chip.html)
5. intel continues to coerce OEM's even after settlement not to adopt AMD:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100708VL204.html (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100708VL204.html)
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Meanwhile, the Bulldozer was over-hyped and a let down.
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Now only if AMD can produce a processor that can compete with 2 year old Intel equipment, we wouldn't be forced to buy from the bad guys.
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Meanwhile, the Bulldozer was over-hyped and a let down.
True but it wasn't their fault it was the fanboys.
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And still, the only way I'd run AMD is if you gave it to me for free. And even then I wouldn't trust it.
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AMD was kick but back when you could drop a K6 into the same CPU location as an Intel chip and then with the K7 which kicked Intels butt. However it was just a short lived thing for AMD and since then they have dropped back steadily in my view.
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True but it wasn't their fault it was the fanboys.
Fanboys may have had too high expectations but honestly how does AMD release a chip that cant even outperform its OWN older chips? They totally dropped the ball. They knew it too. I dont know how they even brought the Bulldozer chips to market with a straight face. They recently announced that they are focusing on low power and mobile chipsets. That to me is a white flag of surrender. It makes me sad considering I have owned at least 8 or 9 AMD processors in the past. I have since switched to intel and I really do love my i7 2600k, but Intel having a corner on the high end market is very troubling for consumers. If the bulldozer had lived up to the hype, we would have seen a huge price war. A win win for consumers.
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AMD will still continue in the server market as well, but they are pulling out of the desktop market, if the CEO can be believed. Seems Bulldozer was a "make it" or "break it", for the desktop team, and they seriously dropped the ball.
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I was a dedicated AMD guy until the dual cores had troubles within Aces High some time ago. Not necessarily their fault, but having an Intel chip since then made life much easier than dealing with crap like that.
I know that is incredibly narrow minded, I want competition to keep the CPUs fast and the prices low, but I'm going out of my way to do so. It is akin to using a Linux OS instead of using a Win OS; it is too much effort for too little pay off.
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Love my Q9550 to death, but I think my next processor will be those newer AMD processors. Who knows at this point. 80 bucks more for an intel CPU...how does the Q9550 fair with the i5-2500K?
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maybe if more software was multithreaded where the new amd CPU could shine alittle the cpu might not look so bad. The new amd APU really don't look so bad to me for general use puter,htpc.
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maybe if more software was multithreaded where the new amd CPU could shine alittle the cpu might not look so bad. The new amd APU really don't look so bad to me for general use puter,htpc.
Most applications do not gain anything from being multi-threaded. Video rendering/processing is probably the main applications benefiting from multi-threading, but those are hardly main stream types of applications.
Actually I think Bulldozer would have been a better server CPU than a desktop CPU.
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Hate AMD as much as you want to but fact is, almost every game out there is designed to run on medium to low end computers and those that require 'high end' systems really means a medium end computer cpu, good ram and a medium to high end graphics card.
So, while Intel can sell their expensive low and medium end chips I keep using AMD's inexpensive medium and high end chips. I've yet to see a single problem running any game even at max settings on any AMD system I've built.
Intel is like apple in way... overcharge for a product that is not decidedly better performing than less expensive stuff out there.
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I really do not see anyone in this thread expressing hate for AMD.
With the AMD CEO announcing they will be pulling out of the desktop marketplace, it is all a moot point.
Other than that, both AMD and Intel CPU's have strength and weaknesses. Pick the one that fits the application best.