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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: homersipes on February 10, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
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So this afternoon when we all got back to the shop, our boss called us in for a meeting. He tells us that there was a tradgedy in town this afternoon. A coworkers son had shot himself in the face at school. So i anyone could spare a minute and say a prayer I think him and his family could use it
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Prayers sent
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Done :pray
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thanks guys I guess he was airlifted to dmhc in lebanon nh I dont know the extent, I guess he did it in the cafeteria at lunch time. Too bad he was only 14
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Did he do it on purpose, or was he planning to shoot others? If the former, then I send my condolences. If the latter, a whole bunch of kids just got very lucky.
-Penguin
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he only wanted to take his life, I am assuming he was being bullied. he had planned to do this a while back i guess but someone found out and his dad had to remove all of his guns from the house
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Crap. I saw that earlier to day in the news. :pray
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my wifey had heard from a friend that he had passed. I hope not :pray
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That is terrible :pray
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His family friends and classmates have my deepest condolences. Him, not so. It was a selfish act in front of others his age and younger for attention. Those others have now all gone thriough a moment in their lives that will have changed them all forever. I do hope he lives because he will also no doubt be completely changed for his life, though he will be the only one that is better for it, and his family doesn't deserve this.
I did hear about this, he was brought to the hospital up the road from me where my wife works. This ius horrible for all those others who had to witness this.
My thoughts also out to you homer as your coworker will also be scarred from this and no one can truly ever know the extent of his pain.
Bob
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He was likely depressed, and couldn't stand the pain any more. Not everything is a test of character; everyone from housewives to athletic superstars can contract this debilitating mental disease.
-Penguin
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That bullying and child-suicide is still a problem in this day and age is a serious taint on our honor as enlightened people and as a society.
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That bullying and child-suicide is still a problem in this day and age is a serious taint on our honor as enlightened people and as a society.
It's actually worse than 20 years ago or more. It's a product of the "parents not being allowed to beat some sense into their children" rule of thumb that is in effect today and it will only get worse.
Sorry for the loss of a life, but the parents are to blame. I hope they feel like crap for the rest of their lives for being the cause of their sons death because they didn't bring him up properly.
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sad news.
my son is bullied in school and the school protects the bullies!
so I kind of understand :pray
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well good news I guess, wife got bad intell he is in critical condition. ya you are 100% correct the bullies are the ones who get protected, if a kid were to stand up to a bully and throttle him once, he can get assault and a criminal record all for defending himself. I am sure most have seen this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfn4OxCPQs
the big guy gets in more trouble than the on who started it. they say there was more to it, but I was in school 11 years ago and I remember how it was
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It no longer matters who throws the first punch. For instance a friend of mine was jumped by a pair of bullies in the hallway and another friend of mine went in to break it up ( this other friend is a buck 90 of muscle at 6'3) he was suspended for a week while the other two got a saturday school. If my leg had not been broken at the time those bullies would have limped away from that fight rather then being escorted by a teacher I assure you.
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Regarding corporal punishment, the opposite is actually true. Bullies want to exercise power and control, and they do this by bullying, whether it be physical, emotional, or psychological. Parents also wish to exercise power and control, and can do this through any number of means. Children also learn from their parents, and if a child does not make a conscious effort to change, it will often repeat the behaviors of its parent(s). Therefore, if a child is beaten by its parents if and when the parents wish to exercise power and control over the child for whatever reason (be it discipline or abuse, and especially the latter) then the child is likely to do the same thing if and when it bullies. Especially in the case of abused children, there will be empathy and control issues in the child, and the child is then likely to perform some form of (usually similar to the parents') abuse. If it's physical, then the child beats his/her colleagues, if it's emotional or psychological, then they become manipulators, and the list goes on and on. Therefore, corporal punishment will not reduce physical bullying except for in the rarest of cases.
-Penguin
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fact: bullies target weak people (edit: to be absolutely clear, they will target people they perceive as weak and easy targets)
stand up to them and they will look for someone easier to intimidate next time
if your kid always backs down and is easily intimidated then it's probably your fault for being a crappy parent
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fact: bullies target weak people (edit: to be absolutely clear, they will target people they perceive as weak and easy targets)
stand up to them and they will look for someone easier to intimidate next time
if your kid always backs down and is easily intimidated then it's probably your fault for being a crappy parent
Amen.
Usually it only takes the bully to have his :ahand one good time and the problem is solved.
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While parents can shape personalities, it's not necessarily anyone's fault; just being a younger sibling can engender docility. Not everyone can be expected to have a degree in psychology (I'm not saying that I have one, though). As for beating the bully up, it's not that simple. That child has issues with control that are so bad that they got their jollies by bullying someone else. Just pounding them into the pavement will at best put the problem off for a few years, after which they might rape or abuse their children to achieve those same feelings of power and control.
-Penguin
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well from personal experience, I was bullied by this kid who was 2 years older than me. I put up with it for 3 years, never wanted to fight and get suspended as if you miss too many days you lose credits(only needed one more day due to going hunting for a week) but anyways, was in english class early with a friend and this kid was in there, started giving me crap and my friend egged me on a little bit, I walked over got in his face he shoved me and I countered by punching him 3 times in the face. Bloodied his nose gave him a black eye and fat lip. After that NEVER one time had another problem with ANYONE. luckily the teacher wasnt there.
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I don't quite understand how you mean. Did he never have another problem with anyone, or did you not have another problem with anyone?
-Penguin
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Regarding corporal punishment, the opposite is actually true. Bullies want to exercise power and control, and they do this by bullying, whether it be physical, emotional, or psychological. Parents also wish to exercise power and control, and can do this through any number of means. Children also learn from their parents, and if a child does not make a conscious effort to change, it will often repeat the behaviors of its parent(s). Therefore, if a child is beaten by its parents if and when the parents wish to exercise power and control over the child for whatever reason (be it discipline or abuse, and especially the latter) then the child is likely to do the same thing if and when it bullies. Especially in the case of abused children, there will be empathy and control issues in the child, and the child is then likely to perform some form of (usually similar to the parents') abuse. If it's physical, then the child beats his/her colleagues, if it's emotional or psychological, then they become manipulators, and the list goes on and on. Therefore, corporal punishment will not reduce physical bullying except for in the rarest of cases.
-Penguin
You need to get a clue. There is a marked difference between corporal punishment and abuse. You have a lot to learn, first and foremost, that you don't know as much as you think you know.
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It varies from bully to bully. Some are cowards and some aren't and will keep at you as even punching them in the face makes them happy because they know they are getting to you.
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You need to get a clue. There is a marked difference between corporal punishment and abuse. You have a lot to learn, first and foremost, that you don't know as much as you think you know.
I made a clear distinction between the two. I said that punishing a child by beating them establishes beatings as a means to exercise power and control, while physically abusing the child will give him/her a desire for control. I did not state that corporal punishment creates such a desire, for I am well aware that most often it does not.
-Penguin
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I made a clear distinction between the two. I said that punishing a child by beating them establishes beatings as a means to exercise power and control, while physically abusing the child will give him/her a desire for control. I did not state that corporal punishment creates such a desire, for I am well aware that most often it does not.
-Penguin
You absolutely did not. You started your drivel with, "regarding corporal punishment," and then puked some BS about child abuse and beating children. Let me make the distinction again, corporal punishment is NOT the same as beating! Do NOT use them interchangably.
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Legend, You just don't understand, penguin is a legend and an expert in his own mind. Just ask him, he knows everything. Why there is hardly another human being who knows as much as the 15 year old penguin. Just ask him, or wait a while and he'll show you by posting more expertise. He can't help it. It just drips off of his fingers onto his keyboard and runs all over the internet! Why he isn't a millionaire yet is a mystery.
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You absolutely did not. You started your drivel with, "regarding corporal punishment," and then puked some BS about child abuse and beating children. Let me make the distinction again, corporal punishment is NOT the same as beating! Do NOT use them interchangably.
I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.
-Penguin
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I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.
-Penguin
I was correcting your nonesense. The fact remains that you lumped child abuse in with corporal punishment. You cannot run around half cocked like you do and expect us to stay quiet. Do yourself a favor and get over your arrogance before it becomes a real problem for you as an adult.
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So this afternoon when we all got back to the shop, our boss called us in for a meeting. He tells us that there was a tradgedy in town this afternoon. A coworkers son had shot himself in the face at school. So i anyone could spare a minute and say a prayer I think him and his family could use it
ya know? i'm gonna dance real careful here........
i cannot, and do not feel for anyone that attempts suicide, either successfully or unsuccessfully. short of finding out you're about to die an agonizing death, there is no reason, or excuse for it. it is the cowards way out.
i am sorry that this hurt you. if the kid was being bullied, he should have found a better way to deal with it.
have i ever mentioned that i was "that kid" in school? well.....i was right up until i threw a desk at the kid that was trying to bully me.
anyway........sorry for your hurt, and for his families hurt.
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I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.
-Penguin
He did not sat beat them, he said beat some sense into them. It is a figure of speech, vernacular if you prefer.
There is no problem with teaching your children how to deal with a bully. Otherwise, they just bottle it up until they handle it in an extreme manner...
http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/michael-swann (http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/michael-swann)
Pray tell, I would love to see your insight on that article, professor. Your advice would have been welcome back then.
You could have advised me how to get the kid's blood out of my clothes...
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I was correcting your nonesense. The fact remains that you lumped child abuse in with corporal punishment. You cannot run around half cocked like you do and expect us to stay quiet. Do yourself a favor and get over your arrogance before it becomes a real problem for you as an adult.
Nonsense, no. I used abuse as a more striking example of power and control. However, I tried to make my point so seamless that I didn't mention it as such.
Oops! :o
@VonMessa I don't see why one would think that he was referring to anything save for corporal punishment since he said that the problem was recent, just like the downfall of corporal punishment. Either that, or he's just being nostalgic. Now as for the kid that shot the other kid, yikes! It really highlights the need for mental health care for adolescents- we don't just 'figure it out' when it comes to dealing with our problems. It's like teaching a kid to swim by tossing them in the water- they'll hate swimming and adopt a flailing stroke. We need someone to teach us how to deal with our suddenly increasing range of emotions just like kids need swim instructors.
-Penguin
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it is the cowards way out.
Maybe for some. No family, no friends. Nothing to live for, no one to care.
But the majority do have friends. They do have family who care about them, who are hurt by their death.
Now I do agree that it is a selfish thing to do. But I think people need to understand what is going through someone's head when they do something like this. You really need to have some kind of mental problem to actually pull that trigger. So I can't really put all the blame on them. Most of it, sure. But not all.
I've been there. It was a dark, dark place that I have since recovered from. I know I never would've actually done it but I know how close I came. And those weren't normal thoughts going through my head I'll tell you that.
And as of a week ago I now have two losses to suicide in my family. These were great people who were loved by their family and knew they were loved. That's why I can't put all the blame on them. I know they couldn't have done it all on their own. The brain is a very complex thing that really isn't all that hard to screw up. It's fixable, though. As long as you don't screw it up permanently...
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Now going on 47 years of age. Luckily was not bullied but I did see it happen some. One interesting note is most if not all of the people I remember as bullies turned out to be real failures in life.
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Now going on 47 years of age. Luckily was not bullied but I did see it happen some. One interesting note is most if not all of the people I remember as bullies turned out to be real failures in life.
i was on the receiving end of quite a bit of it. when talking to adults failed, i took care of it myself. it only took one time.
and yes, you are correct.......a few of them over the years, i've seen in the papers as having died from drug overdoses. a few of them are at deadend jobs. a couple are just unemployed.
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... Resume..........
1982-1984 BIT (Bully In Training) at Crotter Jr High
1985-1988 Bully at Critter High School
Doesn't impress on the resume :D
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he only wanted to take his life, I am assuming he was being bullied. he had planned to do this a while back i guess but someone found out and his dad had to remove all of his guns from the house
That is heartbreaking to hear, one can only wonder what it was that fueled his illconceived but unfaltering determination. :pray
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well got to talk to his dad this morning. He is alive, pretty messed up though, he can squeeze peoples hands so he recognizes them, gonna be a long road to recovery. from what I have gathered he had a crush on a girl and someone found out about it posted it online and because the girl rejected him kids started picking on him about it, and instead of taking it out on them he took it out on himself.
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well got to talk to his dad this morning. He is alive, pretty messed up though, he can squeeze peoples hands so he recognizes them, gonna be a long road to recovery. from what I have gathered he had a crush on a girl and someone found out about it posted it online and because the girl rejected him kids started picking on him about it, and instead of taking it out on them he took it out on himself.
There is always someone more deserving than one's self to take it out upon I say.
Best wishes from my family :pray