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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Weirdguy on February 23, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
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I for one would welcome a cold war arena with jet fighters, complete with radar and guided missiles. I would also like in-flight refueling AI aircraft and flying AI radar planes.
I don't want the ultra modern things like the PAK-FA or F-22, though. I would rather have the stuff from the 50's and 60's, complete with missiles that are not reliable, as in sometimes they don't track, or if they do track they don't explode, or even light the rocket motor when launched and just fall to the ground.
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Lock on modern combat is a game you can buy cheap and what you are asking for, you click and shoot.
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Lock on modern combat is a game you can buy cheap and what you are asking for, you click and shoot.
Ah .... an opportunity to promote the Spanish Civil War, I see. Alas, I note that the WWI arena is a lot deader than I figured it'd be. But it's good to see the Mosca modeled. Mosca vs. the early 109s would make a nice little mini event.
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I want older jets, like F-104's and Mig-21's. I think the reason I prefer the early cold war era jets is that you still dogfight with them. They're hardly push button kills with those old jets, and I would DEFINITELY want unreliable missiles to promote getting stuck in and turning with the other guy to use your guns. I also think if you want radar missiles, you need a backseater (or fly it like a bomber from position 2 with autopilot on).
I just installed LOMAC, but I'm still learning the ropes in that one. I used to love the old SU-27 games, although I hated the very short draw distances they had for terrain. LOMAC is the same game, just modern software, so I should be happy. I even remembered the Su-27 has that "hold altitude" autopilot that doesn't kick off automatically when I maneuver.
I just think a jet sim would be fun online, and all sims have multiplayer, but I don't know anybody to play against. In fact the only online flying I've ever done has been warbirds/aces high.
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There seems to have been a very sudden unflux of relatively new guys to the BBS of late
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I think there is a small niche in the market for post war combat but you would need to add more than just US and soviet stuff, Hawker Hunters vs Dasault Mirrages, RAF V-Force, Canberra bombers way to much to mention as well as all the prop stuff like skyraiders etc. I don't think it would work as a dogfight only type game though.
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You mean THAT SOB?!?!?!
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I just spent the night flying both Wings over Vietnam (found out I could run it on Windows 7 without needing to buy the new WoV-2 game) and the Lock On Modern Combat. LOMAC is just like I remembered with the old Flanker games. It is weird flying a "modern" fighter like the Su-27, but still having dial gauges and manual trim controls.
When playing Wings over Vietnam I couldn't help but think it would make a great arena in Aces High, though obviously I think you would want a setting in central Europe with Soviet vs NATO, and definitely want Mirages and BAC Lightnings and such.
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I just spent the night flying both Wings over Vietnam (found out I could run it on Windows 7 without needing to buy the new WoV-2 game) and the Lock On Modern Combat. LOMAC is just like I remembered with the old Flanker games. It is weird flying a "modern" fighter like the Su-27, but still having dial gauges and manual trim controls.
When playing Wings over Vietnam I couldn't help but think it would make a great arena in Aces High, though obviously I think you would want a setting in central Europe with Soviet vs NATO, and definitely want Mirages and BAC Lightnings and such.
And nooks. Arena reboot every ten minutes. ;)
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You need to model aircraft that generate excitement and will actually be used. 95% of the action is in LWA, and maybe dueling, and maybe 90% of that is '44 or '45 planes. If not more. Thats why competative aircraft should be priority #1. There are exceptions, like the Brewster or Iron Annie, but I'd be dissapointed if future additions werent planes like the A-26, the TU-2, the ME-410, maybe even the Comet. Its time to rethink what WW2 airplanes mean. They would have a far, far better player base now had they modeled 1946 instead of that WW1 disaster. Its not that they modeled a bad arena. WW1 is a fine arena. But I warned them these 400 mph pick and run knuckleheads would never go for a WW1 experience.
They reenergized the GV game nicely with additions like the King Tiger, the T-34, the Panther.....ect. And then come up with the Storch for the flight crowd :huh
I'd love to see every WW2 plane in the game including the niche ones. But airframes that generate player base excitement should be priority #1. The B-29 generates excitement like the 262 does, even tho you dont see them much. Its exciting to players just knowing they are there.
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I'd be very surprised if 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942 and 1943 planes did not make up more than 10% of usage in the LWA MA. Keep in mind that those years include things like the A6M5, B-17G, Bf110G-2, Lancaster Mk III and Mosquito Mk VI. It will also include the Me410 and would include the Ki-44-II and J2M3, both of which would likely see moderate use.
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I'd be very surprised if 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942 and 1943 planes did not make up more than 10% of usage in the LWA MA. Keep in mind that those years include things like the A6M5, B-17G, Bf110G-2, Lancaster Mk III and Mosquito Mk VI. It will also include the Me410 and would include the Ki-44-II and J2M3, both of which would likely see moderate use.
...109G-2, 109G-6, FW 190A-5, Spit9, Seafire, Hurri IIc, F4U-1a, Brewster... So yeah, 10% is a gross underestimate.
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I'd be very surprised if 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942 and 1943 planes did not make up more than 10% of usage in the LWA MA. Keep in mind that those years include things like the A6M5, B-17G, Bf110G-2, Lancaster Mk III and Mosquito Mk VI. It will also include the Me410 and would include the Ki-44-II and J2M3, both of which would likely see moderate use.
Im not being scientific. Im just using the ole "stick your head out the window and see whats out there method". Also I wasnt really talking about bombers. Bomber designs were far fewer and design slowed during the war in lieu of production of existing designs. Fighters were a different story. I'd be interested in seeing the actual statistics if there was any way. I enjoy the earlier war airframes but I could care less about rank, winning, losing.
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You need to model aircraft that generate excitement and will actually be used. ....
That is sort of my point. I think adding more of the lesser known WW-2 planes to the game is fine, but if you really want to get people talking, then go for a genre that isn't what we have now.
I know that the previous online flight sims (air warrior and Warbirds) have a Korean setting, but that is just two planes. The Mig-15 and the F-86. It still plays the same as WW-2.
What I want is something completely different with all new skills to master, such as in-flight refueling, afterburners, and guided missiles. Modern jets are just as popular as WW-2, then followed by WW-1, and last place is probably Korea. I would argue that Korea is even less popular than science fiction fighter games (although HiTech and Pyro did do a space combat game once upon a time....can't remember the name of it though).
If the guys at Hitech creations really want to do something worth playing, then I say go for jets and missiles.
After all, I don't know of any jet fighter simulator MMO, but I can name FOUR World War-2 flight sims you could only play online.
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After all, I don't know of any jet fighter simulator MMO, but I can name FOUR World War-2 flight sims you could only play online.
There are reasons for this. Beyond Korea (and probably Korea as well) would simply be a fratricide of American hardware in an AH style game or a very lopsided game if it was done NATO vs Warsaw Pact. In addition the modeling of modern avionics and missiles is far more time consuming. Beyond even that is the complete lack of fun of BVR combat.
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What they need to do is simply take Janes USNavy Fighters and turn it into a game like Aces High, or add those arenas. They would have Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, Golan Heights, Bosnia-Herzgovena, Central Europe, Taiwan, Korea (circa 1990s), etc.
It would be awesome!
Boo
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There are reasons for this. Beyond Korea (and probably Korea as well) would simply be a fratricide of American hardware in an AH style game or a very lopsided game if it was done NATO vs Warsaw Pact. In addition the modeling of modern avionics and missiles is far more time consuming. Beyond even that is the complete lack of fun of BVR combat.
Oh, I disagree with this. I really do.
If you do the 50's, then I think a F-100 saber vs a Mig-17 isn't that cut and dried who is the better fighter. Going further with the "century series" of American planes the F-102 was a poor performer even at the time. The 104 Starfighter was a good fighter, but had no radar, and the F105 is a light bomber. The F-106 was just an improved F-102, but again it is an Interceptor built for speed and radar guided missiles, and not at all good in a dog fight. I should not that the F-102 doesn't even have a gun.
Match that up with Mysteres, Hawker Hunters, Saab Draken, Mirage III, MiG-17, MiG-21, and the Sukois of the time, I don't think you will see that the USAF is going to dominate. The USN had the F-3 Demon, F-4 Skyray, F-8 Crusader, and the F-11 Tiger.
Not many of these plane I would consider superior out of hand. I actually don't know which planes would be the "best" planes of that era, but I want to find out.
As for the "lack of fun in nothing but BVR combat" I would point out that I don't think that is the case at all. I've played Strike Fighters and Wings over Vietnam quite a bit, and you spend a LOT of time in dogfighting mode at close range. Given that poor performance of missiles of the day, the most common missile kill is with a heat seeker, and they only work if you are behind the other guy.
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That fratricide isn't just based on the American stuff being better, it is mostly based on the "I don't want to fly Commie birds!" or "If its Red its Dead!" attitude of most American players. You even seen that response to request here for WWII Soviet aircraft. Another example, the P-51D in AH is good, but not nearly as good as its usage indicates. British stuff gets a bit of a pass because they were such close allies and it is politically correct to like German stuff for WWII, but Soviet and Japanese stuff gets little respect or even active disrespect, Italian is a non-factor.
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That fratricide isn't just based on the American stuff being better, it is mostly based on the "I don't want to fly Commie birds!" or "If its Red its Dead!" attitude of most American players. You even seen that response to request here for WWII Soviet aircraft. Another example, the P-51D in AH is good, but not nearly as good as its usage indicates. British stuff gets a bit of a pass because they were such close allies and it is politically correct to like German stuff for WWII, but Soviet and Japanese stuff gets little respect or even active disrespect, Italian is a non-factor.
I'm Canadian, and that's true.
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Ya'll realize you are claiming 'American disrespect' but the specifics you are projecting such upon are the decision making process of Hitech and his company as well as the wishlist of the AHII community, overall, dontcha? While I'm sympathetic, regarding difficiencies of one kind or another in any national planeset represented in the game, I'm not sure this is a productive path toward addressing such.
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I disagree about nationality dominating the choice of planes the players use. Anybody remember the early days of Aces High when there was only the B-26 and a few fighters? It was nothing but N1K1 and a few die hards who flew the other planes. Yes, the most popular plane for a long time was Japanese. Even today I think you see a lot more Lavochkin planes then I ever expected to see in the game, but they're there for a reason. The La-5 and La-7 are really good dogfighters down at low altitudes.
In a jet game with heat seekers I wouldn't mind at all being a MiG pilot or fly the Mirage.
You certainly can't say that the missiles are going to be the deciding factor, as the AA-2 is basically an exact copy of the sidewinder of the time. This was the result of a Taiwan vs China dogfight where a sidewinder didn't detonate, and a Chinese MiG landed with it stuck in the fuselage. The Russians took it apart and copied it so much that they even copied the part numbers on the parts that make up the missile. Finland had a mix of Russian and Western planes and tech, and had both AA-2 and sidewinders, and found that they could mount either or both on their Saab Drakens without any modifications. Same electrical connectors, same mounting rails, all of it.
Alternately you could set the jet game in the 1980's, and I could probably argue that the Su-27 and Mig-29 are not inferior to the F-16 and F-15 at all. I prefer the 1950's though, as I don't like radar missiles and there were more countries that produced competitive aircraft types (Britain, Sweden, and France to be specific).
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What they need to do is simply take Janes USNavy Fighters and turn it into a game like Aces High, or add those arenas. They would have Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, Golan Heights, Bosnia-Herzgovena, Central Europe, Taiwan, Korea (circa 1990s), etc.
It would be awesome!
Boo
Why not do Janes ATF GOLD instead? where you can fly a Eurofighter Typhoon against 21x Novice Mig-21s and beat them 1vs21.
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I disagree about nationality dominating the choice of planes the players use.
If you're not confusing nationality dominating the choice of planes a player uses with filling gaps in national plane sets enhancing historically based events then I can almost understand your 'disagreement' - however, players will always have preferences and some base those on the persona they choose to adopt as an Aces High 'pilot.' That will always exist. In this sim-game and others like it. What I think a more realistic concern should be is one specific nationality dominating the design of the game and I don't think HTC is so lop-sided in that regard as to make such a realistic claim. As evidenced by how far the game has progressed since you remember when.
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system delay dupe post. Sorry.
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-100 for post war crap