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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gpwurzel on February 25, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
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Just came into possession of a 1973 Porshe 914 - think it has the 2.0 in it (dark out, not had a chance to look as yet). Body work a bit ratty, interior a bit ratty, but engine runs well, drives fine (no pulling to any side), brakes work well.
Any value in getting it restored (wont be by me, what I know about mechanics is akin to what I know about quantum physics - which is to say, bugger all!!)
Opinions please. Will post pics later, once sun comes back round.
Wurz
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Uh yeah.... next year it'll be 40 yrs old. a classic as well as an antique by any standard. as long as it's mechanically sound IMO it would be well worth a restoration. :aok
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Wurz,
The 914 is a fine car but the cost of restoration will likely be more than it's worth when finished.
Most think they are glorified VW's and thats close but they are much faster and handle alot better,I've driven afew way back when.
Now if you turn it into a racer,that could be real fun but expensive.
On the upside,they are pretty easy to work on and great fun to drive!
:salute
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Prolly a good daily driver then .. the 2.0 would be a bit of fun with some toys added :)
Always fun to drive a go cart :)
-GE aka Frank
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So G we going to see some pics of this thing tomorrow when the sun comes up or not?
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freaking slow arsed connection to the HTC servers :bhead
Cmon Skuzzy... I just made AT&T put in a new modem today.. What the heck sir?
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Double.
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You are welcome. :devil
http://914world.com/ (http://914world.com/)
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Lol Dicho, yes, I'll slap some pics up. Think I'll be selling this puppy, dont have the time, or skills for that matter, to sort it out.
Thanks for that link Mash ;). Fun car to drive, would be more fun if the drivers seat was fully attached to the car however lol........dont ask me how I found out it wasn't.
Pics will be up tomorrow, thanks chaps for the advice so far.
Wurz
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Aww cmon G... a little JBweld will fix that seat firmly in place. What did you do to get her? Reinstall Vista for someone? *runs away laughing like a drunken troll
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I agree that it would end up costing you more to have somebody restore it than it would be worth. I wouldn't do it, unless it had some sentimental value to you, and the money didn't matter.
I have an '81 911SC that I need to paint and do an interior restoration on. It doesn't make financial sense for me to do it either, but it was my Dad's car that he got in 1981, so I'm sentimental about it.
I think if you found a 914/6 it might be worth it though, but seeing that 914's with the 2.0 can be had for pretty little, I'd look for one that didn't need much work at all.
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Vista???? Vista???? :furious No way on this planet would I install vista for anyone. Unless of course, they are paying and seriously masochistic (takes all sorts ya know).
Right, long story short, my brother in law owes us some money. He got the porsche impounded and they were going to sell it to get their money back ($1800). Made him an offer that we'd take the porsche out of impound, but it was ours (well, mine really) to do with as we will. After him trying to get me to change my mind, its now sitting outside my trailer. Got someone interested in it already, depends what he offers for it. Done some research, and think around 5k is a reasonable price - given the work that needs doing to it.
Things that need sorting on it. Gas gauge and speedo not working. Bit of rust in driver/passenger footwell. Hood needs sorting (he ran into the back of someone, being a spoon). Paint work on hood needs redoing (pretty much all the paint might need redoing to be honest! No major rust (aside from footwells). Engine strong, acceleration all good. Brakes good. Interior - seats need replacing/repairing, doors need sorting (cant open em from the outside) Carpet inside needs replacing. Dash is cracked (sun damage from being here in the desert)
Some of the work is cosmetic, some mechanical (which rules me out of doing it :D(which is nice)).
Vista? Pah, next time I'm in Texas, someone is getting a a drive by catting - if you dont have a cat, I'll bring me own :P
Wurz
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Lol Dicho, yes, I'll slap some pics up. Think I'll be selling this puppy, dont have the time, or skills for that matter, to sort it out.
would be more fun if the drivers seat was fully attached to the car however lol........dont ask me how I found out it wasn't.
Wurz
The mental picture of you laying on your back staring up at the ceiling of the car is priceless :lol
I had a friend that had one, i loved driving that car......always a great time :aok
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Things that need sorting on it. Gas gauge and speedo not working. Bit of rust in driver/passenger footwell. Hood needs sorting (he ran into the back of someone, being a spoon). Paint work on hood needs redoing (pretty much all the paint might need redoing to be honest! No major rust (aside from footwells). Engine strong, acceleration all good. Brakes good. Interior - seats need replacing/repairing, doors need sorting (cant open em from the outside) Carpet inside needs replacing. Dash is cracked (sun damage from being here in the desert)
Some of the work is cosmetic, some mechanical (which rules me out of doing it :D(which is nice)).
Wurz
Floorboards? Gut it, media-blast it, then use Durabak (choose any color you want too) with an Insulation/Carpet kit above it. Say goodbye to future rust. Send you seats to a Local Upholsterer or Gabe's if you want a 1st rate interior job (http://gabesupholstery.com/ (http://gabesupholstery.com/)).
Gabes could help you decide with the floorboards as well. They are the cat's bellybutton on the West Coast and a Top 3 Nationwide.
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My brother had a 914. Tons of fun to drive. Low to the ground and wide, takes corners like it's on rails.
My brother's car had a fuel injection system that was shot when he got it. He was able to reconfigure the engine to use a 2 stage carb.
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Floorboards? Gut it, media-blast it, then use Durabak (choose any color you want too) with an Insulation/Carpet kit above it. Say goodbye to future rust. Send you seats to a Local Upholsterer or Gabe's if you want a 1st rate interior job (http://gabesupholstery.com/ (http://gabesupholstery.com/)).
Gabes could help you decide with the floorboards as well. They are the cat's bellybutton on the West Coast and a Top 3 Nationwide.
(http://www.parts-recycling.com/Commercial-Appliances-/New-lincoln-electric-weld-pack-175-hd-mig-welder-in-box-photo-1.jpg) + (http://www.freefoto.com/images/41/11/41_11_59---Stop-USA-Road-Sign_web.jpg)
= best floorboards (or so I hear) ;)
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I'll give you £50, three bottles of Sunny Delight and a GFC pie for it Wurzel! It's not much but it's all I've got :banana:
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I've done a few but usually end up fitting a 2.7 or 3.0 with the 915 transaxle.
Big thing to see is whether the car has fatal rust..........meaning too intense for you to attempt.
If it does not and the prosepective buyer knows this, you can get a bit for it because even a mediocre car with a good tub is worth more than a pristine 914 that's rusted out underneath.
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Tis a desert car, things tend not to rust out here - no humidity for 359 days of the year kinda deal. Got a single pic at present, will get more when we get it out of the yard.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porschepic.jpg)
Given I'm not mechanically inclined - by which I mean the most advanced tool I can use is a broom :D this is going to get sold. I'd love to restore it, but lack of coin and knowledge prevents that.
Wurz
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Advertise it on the pelican parts bbs......just don't stay there too long or you will be inspired to fix it up.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/
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Wurz,
Thats not to bad of shape,like icepac said check for rust,rear suspension points can be fatal but if no rust and it's just cosmetic I'd drive it for awhile.
They are some fun cars to drive,but can cost alot to fix!
:salute
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It is a classic. New it was not much. My 68 camaro could pretty much anihalate it in everything but stopping.
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It is a classic. New it was not much. My 68 camaro could pretty much anihalate it in everything but stopping.
Every Tom, Dick and Harry has an SS/RS Clone. Sorry man, they're a dime a dozen up here like Chevelles. Give me the Firebird instead, not as common and better styling.
Finally, that 914/4 will out handle your 68, unless an Infant is behind the wheel. Wurz needed help, not "Hey, look at what I have!"
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Every Tom, Dick and Harry has an SS/RS Clone. Sorry man, they're a dime a dozen up here like Chevelles. Give me the Firebird instead, not as common and better styling.
Finally, that 914/4 will out handle your 68, unless an Infant is behind the wheel. Wurz needed help, not "Hey, look at what I have!"
lol 914 sucked at handling. It did not handle like most porsche.
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lol 914 sucked at handling. It did not handle like most porsche.
Actually they handle very well, if you swap the stock front stabilizer bar for a Weltmeister 22mm. As it will eliminate some of the over-steer in corners. Throw on some Koni's and it handles like it is on rails. At 80-90mph, they have very low RPM's, as opposed to most cars of that time period. The front suspension was directly from the 911 and they had 11" rotors in back from the factory.
The 914 made sense, before all of the VW BS over Nordhoff taking over as Head of VW and almost cutting the program. Say what you want, but I believe that Karmann made the 914/4 tubs. The Targa Top 914 had the same "rigidity" as a 911, which is somewhat of an amazing They look good to me and could give the Miata and MR2's a good run for their money and it is 30-40 years older. Nowadays every Auto manufacturer tries to rip off the "Nuremberg Rear door corner of the 3 Series", or the "A6 grille", etc.
Yes putting the Battery above the fuel tank was stupid at first and they addressed most of the fuel line issues (as well as finaly relocating the Fuel Pump's to a spot that was "cooler than near the engine"). The later designs implemented these types of things that Owners had done to their cars and the "major problems were no more" from the factory.
They were better than all of the bad press and BS people have said about them over the years. Yes, I have been able to drive a restored and very lightly upgraded version (I also drove it in its Stock form before the upgrades were put on). But the "Dogleg" First gear puts a smile on my face every time my buddy lets me drive it at the local track (Waterford Hills, in Clarkston, MI).
But from the factory, they were set up decent.
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its a car. you go into it knowing that the only thing you'll get is whatever enjoyment you can. financially, best you can do is minimize your losses.
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LOL.....you guys saying the 914 didn't handle or brake are completely clueless as to the 914 being one of the best handling cars ever.
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Actually they handle very well, if you swap the stock front stabilizer bar for a Weltmeister 22mm. As it will eliminate some of the over-steer in corners. Throw on some Koni's and it handles like it is on rails. At 80-90mph, they have very low RPM's, as opposed to most cars of that time period. The front suspension was directly from the 911 and they had 11" rotors in back from the factory.
The 914 made sense, before all of the VW BS over Nordhoff taking over as Head of VW and almost cutting the program. Say what you want, but I believe that Karmann made the 914/4 tubs. The Targa Top 914 had the same "rigidity" as a 911, which is somewhat of an amazing They look good to me and could give the Miata and MR2's a good run for their money and it is 30-40 years older. Nowadays every Auto manufacturer tries to rip off the "Nuremberg Rear door corner of the 3 Series", or the "A6 grille", etc.
Yes putting the Battery above the fuel tank was stupid at first and they addressed most of the fuel line issues (as well as finaly relocating the Fuel Pump's to a spot that was "cooler than near the engine"). The later designs implemented these types of things that Owners had done to their cars and the "major problems were no more" from the factory.
They were better than all of the bad press and BS people have said about them over the years. Yes, I have been able to drive a restored and very lightly upgraded version (I also drove it in its Stock form before the upgrades were put on). But the "Dogleg" First gear puts a smile on my face every time my buddy lets me drive it at the local track (Waterford Hills, in Clarkston, MI).
But from the factory, they were set up decent.
:D
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LOL.....you guys saying the 914 didn't handle or brake are completely clueless as to the 914 being one of the best handling cars ever.
Well I have experience first hand. My 68 blew both away on the straights and a slalom.
If you consider it great compared to your vehicle then fine. lol
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Know what Mash means about the dog leg 1st gear - feels unnatural at first, but puts a smile on me grid now - fun to drive car. Given the chance, I'd restore her, but cant do it myself, and cant afford to pay someone to do it for me.
Will be putting it on both 914world.com and the pelican site (thanks for those links guys, much appreciated).
Looks like the fuel injection on it is shot as well, yet the engine still runs. Has an idle problem, needs positive pressure on the gas pedal until warmed up. Once you get used to the gears, they shift quick and easy (very close changes too).
In 2 minds about this right now - I have friends who are mechanic's etc, and might have to do a very slow time restore - decisions, decisions.
Wurz
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Well I have experience first hand. My 68 blew both away on the straights and a slalom.
If you consider it great compared to your vehicle then fine. lol
Mine cornered .92g on the skidpad at summit point and turned 1:36s there with the 4 cylinder and 185/60s........in 1986.
There's a reason the 914 is included in many racing sims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtBdbzEKeA
914 also won it's class at LeMans and collected a IMSA GTU championship.
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Mine cornered .92g on the skidpad at summit point and turned 1:36s there with the 4 cylinder and 185/60s........in 1986.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtBdbzEKeA
914 also won it's class at LeMans and collected a IMSA GTU championship.
You're on the short end of the experience stick concerning discussing any porsche racing prowess.
Wow a stock car won lamans who's a thunk. Lot of folks probably don't know that. You have any other surprises?
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Know what Mash means about the dog leg 1st gear - feels unnatural at first, but puts a smile on me grid now - fun to drive car. Given the chance, I'd restore her, but cant do it myself, and cant afford to pay someone to do it for me.
Will be putting it on both 914world.com and the pelican site (thanks for those links guys, much appreciated).
Looks like the fuel injection on it is shot as well, yet the engine still runs. Has an idle problem, needs positive pressure on the gas pedal until warmed up. Once you get used to the gears, they shift quick and easy (very close changes too).
In 2 minds about this right now - I have friends who are mechanic's etc, and might have to do a very slow time restore - decisions, decisions.
Wurz
See, your coming around. :D
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Yep, which is a really scary thought lol.......me with tools? Really?
:D
Wurz
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Yep, which is a really scary thought lol.......me with tools? Really?
:D
Wurz
Well... for a start to you have a "shade tree" in the yard :D
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:aok :lol
Tart, clean up on aisle 3. You'd think I'd learn wouldn't you, don't read Shuffler's posts with drink in hand/mouth!!!.
;)
Wurz
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gpwurzel, i did some price checks, they can go from $1k to 6k unrestored and up to 15k restored, the thing is a car is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it, first off write down everything it needs and get prices before hand on the parts and work needed, then decide if you can recover those costs when you put it up for sale. im looking at a 1945 international pick-up very straight body and has the flathead 6 that runs good, $1,200 for it but he will take less.
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See a lot of them a the local race track. Don't restore her as an investment, but I'd make her a week end warrior. Don't expect to outrun anyone on an American racetrack til you hit a turn. Have fun and learn to drive at the same time, it's a win win.
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Ok, more pics (finally) - this is what I'm up against lol....
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche7.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche6.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche5.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche4.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche2.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/wurzeluk/porsche1.jpg)
Wurz
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Wurz,
Listen to Frenchy,it wouldn't cost much to make it race ready.Tires,brakepads and strip out the interior,you might need some type of rollbar/cage depending on track,then just have fun.
The real value is the body,it doesn't have a frame,so a sound body is the important part. You could look to the northern states for a rotted 914 that has a good interior and just swap them out but if it was me I'd turn it into a track car!
:salute
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She looks like a great base for a restoration. NOW, you are going to spend at least $5000 (I can break out down if you want) to get her to look/drive good. If you buy her for even $1k, that's $6k mimimum. Save yourself the sanity and buy a GOOD used one for $4-5000 that you can enjoy right away. :old:
If the goal is to learn how to work on cars by restoring one and building up your tool collection, then buy an old busted up mid 70s camaro where the parts are dirt cheap AND plentiful.
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Dang Frenchy,I thought you were trying to talk him into making a track car,but your absolutely correct.. Except 5 grand might be on the low side and only if he does most the work himself!
:salute
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Already own the car (see previous post in this thread as to how I got hold of it for 1800).
In 2 minds whether to sell (wife wants around 4900 for it as is, seems a bit steep to me, but hey ho) or do a slow time restoration on it - or...turn it into a track car. Found 2 seats for $50, rear bulkhead cover for $175 etc.
Would appreciate a break down Frenchy, big time - so I can work on the wife should I decide to keep it etc ;)
Like the thought of having a track car, not sure I'd need a whole lot of cosmetic work then - although it would have to at least look pretty lol..........
Finances tight here, so by slow time, I mean slowwwwww - entirely dependent on available finances etc.
Wurz
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She looks like a great base for a restoration. NOW, you are going to spend at least $5000 (I can break out down if you want) to get her to look/drive good. If you buy her for even $1k, that's $6k mimimum. Save yourself the sanity and buy a GOOD used one for $4-5000 that you can enjoy right away. :old:
If the goal is to learn how to work on cars by restoring one and building up your tool collection, then buy an old busted up mid 70s camaro where the parts are dirt cheap AND plentiful.
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gp, find a local Porsche group and invite a few of them over to take a look at her over a couple cold ones. 1, they would know where to get the best price on parts, and 2, they would know what parts of the car to look at for normal issues.
I've found a lot of Jaguar owners in my area and they have been very helpful for me.
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Good idea Dragon, didn't think of that one. Frenchy, if you get the time, could you break down what you think it needs?
Cheers chaps,
Wurz
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1974 Interior (It should not be that much different from your 1973):
(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/1974_Porsche_914_Interior_1.jpg)
You are missing some stuff, but I think you can get the stuff you are missing without breaking the bank.
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1974 Interior (It should not be that much different from your 1973):
(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/1974_Porsche_914_Interior_1.jpg)
You are missing some stuff, but I think you can get the stuff you are missing without breaking the bank.
It's nice and simple, and old Porsche. :)
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Well, I was indeed talking him into making it a racer :t
First tell your wife she's out of her mind. :cheers:
Assuming you want to sell her, you'll have several possible buyers.
- The aficionado, cleanliness, originality/matching parts is the name of the game, will know exactly what parts are $$$, how things are supposed to look like, see right through your MAACO paint job, will know exactly the true resale value of your car and will shoot down your ego and price down.
- The racer, He's going to gut the inside/rebuild engine/trany/suspensions anyway, all the cares about is how straight/rust free the body/frame is. The bad part, he wants something dirt cheap. OR he'll try to pay for the racing parts by selling on ebay great shape interior/engine/suspension parts ... which your car doesn't seem to have.
- The pigeon, aka (I always wanted one - I don't know crap into cars - my son wants it bad) that's full of good intentions, will overlook all the little things that add up to $$$. The good enough glitter combined by a sudden irrational desire to look cool will wipe out common sense and saving accounts.
Assuming you want to restore her, and since you have no tools:
Restore for you, or to sell and make a profit. Making a profit, except if you find a 'pigeon', not going to happen. For you, I'll settle for the good enough. By that I mean thins car will be your fun car, you want a car that doesn't leak oil all over you driveway, that is reliable, that looks good enough that you feel happy getting in something special for a little week end escapade. That doesn't include : "I spent $6000 for the paintjob alone, and I'm paranoiac I'm going to collect in asingle rock chip on my way to the car show'. Not my idea of 'fun', thus the good enough rule part.
What do you need? I don't know. It looks like the body is straight, and the interior is mediocre. How's the engine? Is it the usual 'protective layer of crud all over the bottom of it?' How's the internals, did you get at least a compression/leak down test to find at what you have? Does the engine shakes itself silly in third gear at 6000 RPM? Does the car track straight? Does the car jumps from lane to lane @80MPH? Does the transmission shifts smooth on spirited driving, does the car brakes straight when you stomp on the brake.
Basically you have:
- Engine/transmission. I'm pretty sure engine alone for a rebuilt stock one would be $2500 - $3500 range. From what I know about VWs, if you indeed do have a mechanic friend you might be able to refresh this engine for $1,000-1500. (New pistons, bearings, rings, gaskets, valve guides, carbs/fuel injection parts (dono what you have), and machine shop machining labor. The transaxel transmission IDK. Then don't forget the engine external that might look borderline about to die, the stupid $50 relay, alternator/generator, starter all those $20 to $100 items that leaves you out of the part store with a $400 bill. :eek: How rotten is the exhaust system?
- The body. Assuming there's no rust to be taken car off (I don't see any rot on your car but I'm on a cell phone). Off course you could go to MAACO for $600, but if you want to do it yourself, and keep it cheap, you'll do : sand the paint/bondo little dents/prime/single stage paint. That means At least a 30+ gallon compressor ($500), some type of oil/water separation gizmo ($30 to 250), 2 paint guns, one for primer, one for paint ($150-250 each on the cheap), primer filler, primer sealer, single stage paint (maybe $500ish of paint), painting supply (measuring cups, lint free rags, painting mask, compounds & BS stuff $200), a DA sander, a polisher ($100 for both) and countless sanding papers of various grits at $4 a pop, and a lot of them.
- The interior, Those seats will need re-apostery, just saw a set on Ebay for $800, but maybe your local rag cutter can make a descent set for a couple $100, just bring only the seats so he doesn't overcharge because you said 'Porsche'. :rolleyes: The cracked dash pad, I think I saw one on ebay for $350. And then the gauges ... do they all work? Does the tach bounces all over? Carpet probably $100+, knobs, switches, Door panels ... all that accumulates to an another couple $100s.
- Brakes/suspensions, Do you need new ball joints, are they commonly available? Shocks/brake rotors/wheel bearings, again a couple of $100s if you do the work yourself, otherwise my kid's car just cost me $250 for the front brakes, $400 for all shocks.
- Tools, ouch ... we already talked about the compressor/paint guns/DA sander. You'll really enjoy a set of wrenches/ratch ... you know the $250 SAE/metric 400 pieces SEARS special, a solid air gun $75, a set of power tool sockets, plus all the silly specialized tools such as tie rod separator, pullers, spring compressors .etc Again those add up at $20 - $50 a pop. Engine crane, engine stand ($200).
Combine all those numbers and add you initial $1,800. Then cruise craiglist and figure out that you'll never get your money back. Here's an example from my local classified :
$2,900
(http://img.ksl.com/its/slc/2845/284532/28453235.jpg?filter=ksl/gallery3)
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=6135750 (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=6135750)
Now about making her a racer/week end warrior
The concept sounds cheap, gut her out, redo the brakes, stop the leaks, put some safety equipments. But it's not. You WILL melt you pads on your rotors after your first cession. Then here comes the $$$ brake system. You are not going to enjoy driving around the track shifting at 4000 RPM either, so you'll rebuild your engine possibly with upgraded parts that can withstand being revved up at 7K. And your trany/differential better be able to handle the 4 to 2nd downshift too. You might put bigger tire, but then then the extra grip might overwork your suspensions, and here comes shocks/adjustable this/reinforced that ... which ain't cheap either. IDK, someone that knows about the weakness of those will tell you what is a 'must upgrade'.
And here's my disclaimer, I am unfamiliar with those cars, so don't take my word as the gospel :pray I'm trying to give you an idea via my personal experience as a car hobbyist. I know one thing for sure, when you disconnect/unbolt something during your restoration - Take a picture - draw a diagram - put everything in a labelled zip-lock ... because even 10 min later you will second guess yourself on how it's supposed to come back together. :aok
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Thats actually very useful Frenchy, thank you. Told the wife she's way over on her price, but as usual, she probably wont listen :furious
Got a thread on 914World.com as well, need to supply some specific pictures for them to look over. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks kinda deal!!
Mash, is that your 914? Pretty looking fella,
Thanks again chaps,
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Wurz
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great post there frenchy, really nailed it.
theres a good reason why most of the guys racing (who arent just very wealthy) own a workshop and repair/restore cars for a living.
wurzel if youve wanted a 914 all your life and are looking for a time and money consuming project. then go for it, otherwise get shot asap (and hope a pigeon comes along ;))
edit: I used to own a '62 TR4 and have always liked the idea of building a classic racer. last time I priced it out it came to about £20k for donor, parts, long engine rebuild to race spec. that excludes tools and assumes I'll be doing almost everything myself. its amazing how the odd door handle mech/indicator light/relay box/etc add up. and I would end up with a sub 800kg/160bhp racer which would be a few years and a many more £££s to become competitive and would be pretty undrivable on the street. you can get elises for about £12k with similar performance and better handling. or for the same money build an ultima for proper GT racecar performance ...
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Frenchy has made the best points to consider from my humble opinion. Here is a nice history link to the 914
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/2006/05/01/hmn_feature8.html for reference on how it came to be.
It's middle of the production run, so that's good. Great year, improved shifting without the "end of the line" cutbacks.
The 914 was never a "real' Porsche according to the purists, but then, if it's not a 911 they don't think it's a Porsche anyway.
Here's one like mine, a Boxster, I think it does the job nicely, but it's not considered a "Pure" Porsche either, even though most of the car is interchangeable with the 911 lol
(http://images.usedcheapcars.org/used-porsche/2000-porsche-boxster-s-convertible-porsche-3-2l-6-cylinder-premium-5-speed-automatic/4550937.2000.Porsche.Boxster-ucc.jpg)
I've actually always liked the look and feel of the 914, scoots along quite nice. Although I wouldn't consider putting a great deal into a full restoration, it is definitely worth a good paint job and hit the recyclers for nice replacement interior parts, there are some fantastic body kits and interior upgrades available also. If you are going to fix it up, fix it up fun. I don't think you will get the "classic restoration" number from a true restoration, it just isn't that type of collector car. IMHO.
Fix it for fun, and drive the tar out of it. Don't forget to upgrade the exhaust to get the true Porsche sound out of it, those don't quite have that distinctive rumble that telegraphs a Porsche coming down the road long before you see it. Not loud, just unique.
The really good thing about this car is that fixing it is affordable. Unlike mine, if I blow up that flat 6, I'm into a rebuild for $12K, where as you can pick up a rebuilt engine for about $2,800.00 and bolt it up.
Fix it up and drive it, enjoy it, then sell it if you feel like it.
(http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/001oct/spotlight/pick1.jpg)
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pretty sure you can get a new exchange engine from porsche for about $12k for a 2.7l, a rebuild should be way under that from a decent specialist, but if it hasnt blown up yet and you keep it serviced and filled with good oil you should be good :aok
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Haven't touched a porsche since doing restoration work on this one in 1990.
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/johnhazel/1976%20Porsche%20934%20RSR%20Turbo/934_rear_quarter.jpg)
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that pic reminds me of a guy I knew just after I left school, theres always one flash kid in the class and it was him. when he got his license he got to drive his dads old 928 around. it had 60k on it and ran great (despite the loud whirring and whizzing noises while it started up) and most of the electrics still worked ;)
so he decides he wants to buy his own porker, his first car, so looks for a 911 in the classifieds in london and buys the first one he sees off some arab in chelsea. he drives it round to my house and it looks sweet - an early 80s blue 930 with private plates. whaletail, wheelarches, BBS alloys and that badge - holy crap hes bought a turbo! and hes really excited, as you would be. I dont know much about porsches so it looks ok to me, but I want to see that legendary motor so he flips the engine lid. I said "if its a turbo ... um ... wheres the turbo?" after he checked the chassis # it turned out to be a '73 and took him another 10 years and I dread to think how much money to restore it back to a mint 911S :lol
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Haven't touched a porsche since doing restoration work on this one in 1990.
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/johnhazel/1976%20Porsche%20934%20RSR%20Turbo/934_rear_quarter.jpg)
Nice 76 934. Probably one of my favorite Imports of All-Time.
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That one has power windows and the original carpet as well as other comfort items you wouldn't think to find in a limited production factory race car.
It sold for $395,000 and it looks like the new owners now have it in it's original racing livery.
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/34254329+w786+ar1/jagermeister%20934%20side%20garage.jpg)
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Decision might have been taken out of my hands :D Got a job interview on Tuesday 6th, for an IT Specialist - if I get that, slow time restore is definitely on, gonna get her done so I can have it as a weekend/fun car for myself.
Wurz
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Decision might have been taken out of my hands :D Got a job interview on Tuesday 6th, for an IT Specialist - if I get that, slow time restore is definitely on, gonna get her done so I can have it as a weekend/fun car for myself.
Wurz
Hoping the best for you! Good luck with the interview and the car!
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Oh you'll get the job, the car likes you and will do whatever it takes to keep you.
Ever seen Christine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5M11m9vI0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5M11m9vI0)
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Oh you'll get the job, the car likes you and will do whatever it takes to keep you.
Ever seen Christine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5M11m9vI0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5M11m9vI0)
Lmao, thats exactly how it feels right now - bit worrying lol....
Thanks PF, fingers crossed and all that.
Wurz
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Good luck with the job interview Wurz.
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Decision might have been taken out of my hands :D Got a job interview on Tuesday 6th, for an IT Specialist - if I get that, slow time restore is definitely on, gonna get her done so I can have it as a weekend/fun car for myself.
gl with the job, and I'm sure you'll make a better job of the resto than Top Gear US did :D
It sold for $395,000 and it looks like the new owners now have it in it's original racing livery.
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/34254329+w786+ar1/jagermeister%20934%20side%20garage.jpg)
always loved that jagermeister livery, iirc tamiya made a kit of one :aok
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I used to own a '62 TR4
I have a GT6, working on a 'street legal race', I know the feeling. But you have to know what you have and not get crazy pretenting :old: She's going to be a fun car, listening the 6 cylinders revving while negociation a fast curve hanging on for your life ... while young buck will pass me at twice the speed in his STI, driving with one hand and sucking on his 7/11 slurpy. Old classics come in many shape and form but each has it's unique ability to steal a smile out of your face.
Here's that bucket for now, just got her to run, temporary dash and all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBjDq74tIE4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBjDq74tIE4)
Icepac
Fender flares and umongus tire. Fantastic looking.
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That one has power windows and the original carpet as well as other comfort items you wouldn't think to find in a limited production factory race car.
It sold for $395,000 and it looks like the new owners now have it in it's original racing livery.
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/34254329+w786+ar1/jagermeister%20934%20side%20garage.jpg)
Looks like a "Moby Dick" behind that one.
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I have a GT6, working on a 'street legal race', I know the feeling.
very nice, sounds pretty healthy :aok always fancied a GT6, the fastback is a great looking shape and practical. I also had a '67 Mk.III spit, the scuttle shake was pretty bad (although better than the TR), I imagine the roof stiffens the GT6 up nicely. I must dig out some pics of mine :)
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Depends on whether you like it, or if it is just an investment.
If you like the car, the pleasure you get out of restoring and driving it will have more value than ROI.
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Lmao, thats exactly how it feels right now - bit worrying lol....
Thanks PF, fingers crossed and all that.
Wurz
good luck brother :)