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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: G0ALY on February 28, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
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My daughter, who has always been a doodler, wants to pursue a career in art when she graduates high school.
I fully understand how difficult it can be to make a living as an artist. But, I don’t want either of us to spend the rest of our lives wondering, “What if?”… So, we are going to take the chance.
As luck would have it, our local collage offers “Children’s Book Illustration” as one of the art majors. My daughter plans to major in that, with a minor in graphic design. I was very interested to learn that the course in Children’s Illustration seems to be as much about business and marketing as it is about artistic technique.
Here are a few of the MANY artworks that she has done recently. There is always a project on the computer, or a doodle laying on top of the desk. And, these are not a version of somebody else’s work, she creates all of the characters herself.
Like her Dad, the girl is a video gamer.
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6661/65592038.jpg)
A homemade Bithday card.
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4522/71515176.jpg)
Her first watercolor. Not an art class project, she just did this over the course of a couple of evenings while watching TV.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4648/78085713.jpg)
This was a quick picture she made after I saved her laptop from the “Blue screen of death”.
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5746/94199422.jpg)
And finally, one of the MANY doodles that seem to always be cluttering up the top of our desk.
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5862/31731395.jpg)
While this collage major may be an expensive risk, It is a chance I want us to take. An added benefit of the collage being local is that she can live at home and save money while she is in school. More than I like the idea of saving money, I’m glad we will have her close to us for a little while longer. She is a great kid.
Wish her luck!
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That is some amazing artwork. Best of luck in your decision! :cheers:
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Not that I'm in any way shape or form qualified to judge her work, but she has talent Goaly, big time.
Good luck to her, nice to see,
Wurz
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Let her go for it!
I have a friend who has a daughter who was an art major, with a similar focus as what you are talking about. Between her Junior and Senior year, she got an internship with Disney. When she graduated, Disney offered her a full time position. She is one of a group of artists that design and build the floats for the parades in the Disney parks.
Loves her job and travels frequently to all of the Disney park locations, all over the world.
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wow, impressive work there. i hope she follows her true talent, BTW how did she draw Bustr in his tutu? its spot on :aok
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Wait, let me get this straight. You're going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to give your daughter a skill she already has, and is extremely good at?
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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My daughter, who has always been a doodler, wants to pursue a career in art when she graduates high school.
I fully understand how difficult it can be to make a living as an artist. But, I don’t want either of us to spend the rest of our lives wondering, “What if?”… So, we are going to take the chance.
As luck would have it, our local collage offers “Children’s Book Illustration” as one of the art majors. My daughter plans to major in that, with a minor in graphic design. I was very interested to learn that the course in Children’s Illustration seems to be as much about business and marketing as it is about artistic technique.
Here are a few of the MANY artworks that she has done recently. There is always a project on the computer, or a doodle laying on top of the desk. And, these are not a version of somebody else’s work, she creates all of the characters herself.
Like her Dad, the girl is a video gamer.
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6661/65592038.jpg)
A homemade Bithday card.
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4522/71515176.jpg)
Her first watercolor. Not an art class project, she just did this over the course of a couple of evenings while watching TV.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4648/78085713.jpg)
This was a quick picture she made after I saved her laptop from the “Blue screen of death”.
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5746/94199422.jpg)
And finally, one of the MANY doodles that seem to always be cluttering up the top of our desk.
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5862/31731395.jpg)
While this collage major may be an expensive risk, It is a chance I want us to take. An added benefit of the collage being local is that she can live at home and save money while she is in school. More than I like the idea of saving money, I’m glad we will have her close to us for a little while longer. She is a great kid.
Wish her luck!
1. She's got some real talent and creativity. I hope she uses it.
2. Any flying pigs or pigs with wings? :devil
3. I hope Ink sees this. I'm not saying go drop her off at the local tattoo shop at the next opportunity you get, but tattoo artists, of the reputable and professional variety, are great first-time employers for sketch/doodling/small-work artists or can give some real valuable insight of trying to take such talent and trying to make a living with it.
Just to brace you for what you're in for, my brother married a lovely art major whom he met and started dating in his second year at college. They've been married for a little less than a year now and been out of college for a couple or few, but during college at a relatively well known artist's college, the only paying job she found was working at the cafeteria as a cashier (my brother worked as a cook - and it was actually not a bad job, damn good reliable and steady hours and money for being in college, pluss discounts and "never any free food" officialy, but not all 2,000 of the leftover chicken nuggets would make it into the trash (and when you're in college - a couple hundred chicken nuggets is food for a week and worth its weight in gold!)), it was a job, just one nobody wanted if for no other reason than to be seen by all your peers.
Then after college, she has her degree, and it did help... her land a nice full-time desk job at Robin-Bros as one of their corporate purchasing agents (I think specificaly with diamonds from the asian/india continent).
It's OK though, my brother and I still encourage (and eagerly support/finance) her creative gifts and talents while at home in her free time - amongst them, her awesome talent as a homebrewer! (my little bro sure can pick 'em).
PS - 4. When she turns 21, sign her up for an Aces High account. :devil:
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wow, those are great!
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Wait, let me get this straight. You're going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to give your daughter a skill she already has, and is extremely good at?
A fool and his money are soon parted.
You're looking at it incorrectly. She'll gain a diploma, as well as training.
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very good work, she has a natural talent Goaly
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Definitely send her there! There's nothing worse than spending the rest of your life wondering "What if...". As good as her work is now, unless her eyesight or joints fail, she'll only get better with age. It took Shakespeare all his life to get good enough to write Hamlet (no joke!). If she moves out without finding an art job, keep encouraging her and providing art supplies- they don't cost much and can last months before needing a refill.
-Penguin
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Shoot her laptop! ....oh sorry... wrong thread.
Your daughter is very talented - go for it, no matter how it turns out, you will know you made the right choice.
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As has been said she is a natural.
Art it is! :aok
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they don't say "starving artist" for no reason, it can be very difficult to make a career in art....but the rewards for doing something you love as to something you have to, is huge.
collage will not teach her any more "skill" but give her plenty of tips and tricks, it would be foolish not to pursue it, with the natural Talent she has.
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It's important that she learns Photoshop and other computer based art applications. That will give her a base knowledge that can be used as a commercial graphic artist.
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It's college, btw, not collage.
An art degree opens many doors and with her talent it would be an investment more than an expense.
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WOW! AMAZING! I'm jealous. I've always wished I could draw. She's got talent.
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:O Sweet :aok
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Very nice stuff
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She has the talent to go far in her chosen field. Best of luck!
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It's college, btw, not collage.
Another reason why she should go to college... It is painfully obvious that her father did not.
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.. art degree opens many doors and with her talent it would be an investment more than an expense.
a vast majority of graduates never see a return on the investment at current costs, ESPECIALLY in the arts. Education is important but please do your research. Many state schools just aren't worth it any more. It's easy to graduate with $60+K in debt at insane interest rates that even bankruptcy won't erase under current laws.
the days where a student could pay their own way are gone. I'd give serious consideration to community/technical college. She obviously has talent, but don't let that cloud your judgement.
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She's good. Definitely persuade her to get into graphic design as that's where the money is at in the Art profession.
Some people make good money designing Tshirts. One example is http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/ (http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/) as it has a weekly competition that anyone can enter and make money with.. I think it's about $2 for every shirt they sell with your design on it (if you have one of the top three designs that week). If nothing else creating T-shirt designs can get her a lot of experience and the community there is very helpful as well!
Also consider getting her a PC design tablet if she doesn't have one already!
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Impressive!
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Really impressive talent.
Bit of advice, never have regrets. They are haunting.
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And no matter how much money you make doing something else, they will never, ever, go away. Even if you die poor and satisfied, you're better off than rich and angsty. That's not usually the case, but doing what you love is more important than anything else. In fact, if you think about it, it's the only thing that really matters. Everything else is just a means to that end.
-Penguin
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Yeah...right now an art degree isn't exactly the "right" choice for someone's future.
Depends on your situation though. I wouldn't go into debt for it. I have a cousin who got a BA...and promptly went back to school. She now has two masters, one of them from Harvard.
So yeah, If the money is there then go for it. If not, you need to seriously consider whether your daughter is making the right choice for her future. That piece of paper don't mean what it used to. Several of the people I work with are fresh out of college. We make 25K. :aok
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My daughter, who has always been a doodler, wants to pursue a career in art when she graduates high school.
I fully understand how difficult it can be to make a living as an artist. But, I don’t want either of us to spend the rest of our lives wondering, “What if?”… So, we are going to take the chance.
As luck would have it, our local collage offers “Children’s Book Illustration” as one of the art majors. My daughter plans to major in that, with a minor in graphic design. I was very interested to learn that the course in Children’s Illustration seems to be as much about business and marketing as it is about artistic technique.
Here are a few of the MANY artworks that she has done recently. There is always a project on the computer, or a doodle laying on top of the desk. And, these are not a version of somebody else’s work, she creates all of the characters herself.
Like her Dad, the girl is a video gamer.
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While this collage major may be an expensive risk, It is a chance I want us to take. An added benefit of the collage being local is that she can live at home and save money while she is in school. More than I like the idea of saving money, I’m glad we will have her close to us for a little while longer. She is a great kid.
Wish her luck!
She has the talent. Those are very,very good.
There's one great thing about it though. She has art skills both by hand and with the computer. She can do her bachelor's in art (drawing/whatever they call it) and either dual major or master in digital media. Digital Media is a really big industry now and she can be hired to do animation, marketing, art for websites, etc. Very flexible degree with lots of job sources. Best of all, she's doing what she loves. :aok
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OK.
She has a bit of talent.
Does she enjoy doin it?
I mean, late nites jammin to finish a certain look,
have to be called to remember to eat,
completely lost in it on occasion?
Passion, in other words.
If she has the passion then all she needs are the tools.
That is what college does.
College does not make you an artist.
You have to be an artist first.
IMHO .,. she should have a chat with the school counselor,
find out as much as she can about what her options are.
If the decision is made to go to college she has to embrace the fact that they are being paid to teach her as much as she can take.
Dis ..is *not* a toy!
ie: Go completely over the top learning the software and techniques,
play with *everything* ..jam 100 percent with light, color, motion, dynamics ..all of it.
Be a sponge .. learn as much as she can while she is there.
Personal example: Out of 32 people in my class, I was the second hired out of the program I was in.
The first guy was 'into' building dungeon levels ..got hired by some company called Blizzard or some such
about a week before I got a call from Jonathan 'Blue' Baron ..to come and be the Lead Artist for Air Warrior.
The video game industry just plain sucks .. unless you have the talent and passion for it.
I hope she enjoys college as much as I did.. the time spent learning new tools was priceless.
I hope she has a class spokesman come to her and tell her to 'lighten up, yer ruining the grade curve' :D
-Frank aka GE
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Those are amazing, and good on ya for letting her pursue her dreams!
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You're looking at it incorrectly. She'll gain a diploma, as well as training.
Not to mention explore other arts she might not of had access to before and have a huge investment cost - glass/clay kilns/ovens come to mind.
Another good thing about artistic talent, possesing it, and having a little time... more time to apply for more scholarships/grants, and there's a lot for artists (but they usually take time for their work to be reviewed or other art-related reasons).
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She's good. Definitely persuade her to get into graphic design as that's where the money is at in the Art profession.
Some people make good money designing Tshirts. One example is http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/ (http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/) as it has a weekly competition that anyone can enter and make money with.. I think it's about $2 for every shirt they sell with your design on it (if you have one of the top three designs that week). If nothing else creating T-shirt designs can get her a lot of experience and the community there is very helpful as well!
Also consider getting her a PC design tablet if she doesn't have one already!
I'm in graphic design, tell her to stay the hell out of it. She's an illustrator and she would hate the graphic design world anyways. Know a few others that do illustrations and they can't stand to do your typical design work. she belongs at disney or something at that level.
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She obviously is talented.
I assume since you are posting this you are inviting comment else I wouldn't presume.
My advice is that she could probably get 95% of the exposures to all the techniques and technology by getting a minor in Art and getting a major in something that will put food in her belly and a roof over her head. Or perhaps a double major as a compromise.
Regards,
Wab
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Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.
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Very nice stuff Goaly! :aok
I have a cousin who studied art,he ended up making movies,animated of course,very likely you've seen some of his work. Roger Rabbit!
Anyhoo,good on you for helping her follow her dreams!
:salute
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Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.
If the bold part is true, then they're not trying hard enough to find jobs. Jobs are out there. They might not be where they live, but they can get them if they make some sacrifices.
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Encourage her.
I would discuss the realities of art being both art and business. Encourage her to consider a minor in business to give her the chops to support that incredible talent. Even Michelangelo had to handle the business realities.
Best of luck, great opportunities ahead!
Boo
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Traditional art isn't going to be very lucrative for her.
Designing company logos and such isn't going to be very satisfying for her
She should consider 3D graphics, character design and animation.
Competitive field but always growing and here to stay. Her artist's sense of proportion and composition will be a huge asset.
With the right computer training she should be able to find a career in the motion picture industry, game development etc.
She certainly wont be as happy or successful in a career that doesn't utilize her god given talent.
The technology that is on the horizon is going to be mind blowing. Wish I was young and talented enough to be a part of it.
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Traditional art isn't going to be very lucrative for her.
Designing company logos and such isn't going to be very satisfying for her
She should consider 3D graphics, character design and animation.
Competitive field but always growing and here to stay. Her artist's sense of proportion and composition will be a huge asset.
With the right computer training she should be able to find a career in the motion picture industry, game development etc.
She certainly wont be as happy or successful in a career that doesn't utilize her god given talent.
The technology that is on the horizon is going to be mind blowing. Wish I was young and talented enough to be a part of it.
good advice :aok
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My daughter, who has always been a doodler, wants to pursue a career in art when she graduates high school.
I fully understand how difficult it can be to make a living as an artist. But, I don’t want either of us to spend the rest of our lives wondering, “What if?”… So, we are going to take the chance.
As luck would have it, our local collage offers “Children’s Book Illustration” as one of the art majors. My daughter plans to major in that, with a minor in graphic design. I was very interested to learn that the course in Children’s Illustration seems to be as much about business and marketing as it is about artistic technique.
Here are a few of the MANY artworks that she has done recently. There is always a project on the computer, or a doodle laying on top of the desk. And, these are not a version of somebody else’s work, she creates all of the characters herself.
Like her Dad, the girl is a video gamer.
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6661/65592038.jpg)
A homemade Bithday card.
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4522/71515176.jpg)
Her first watercolor. Not an art class project, she just did this over the course of a couple of evenings while watching TV.
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4648/78085713.jpg)
This was a quick picture she made after I saved her laptop from the “Blue screen of death”.
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5746/94199422.jpg)
And finally, one of the MANY doodles that seem to always be cluttering up the top of our desk.
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5862/31731395.jpg)
While this collage major may be an expensive risk, It is a chance I want us to take. An added benefit of the collage being local is that she can live at home and save money while she is in school. More than I like the idea of saving money, I’m glad we will have her close to us for a little while longer. She is a great kid.
Wish her luck!
Very nice work, I must say.
My cousin graduated from the Philadelphia University of the Arts. He also had natural talent and I often wondered why he spent all of that money on schooling but, as he progressed and told me about it, it made sense. Just as a natural athlete needs a coach to refine their skills, prevent bad habits and learn the in's and out's of a career, so does an artist. It is worth it, if she is serious about making it a career.
Yes, he "starved" for a bunch and had to make a living at other various jobs (delivering newspapers, landscaping, etc) for a while and he even served a few years in the army.
He has now moved to Los Angeles and is finally making a living, doing what he loves to do.
http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/thomas-hoyle.html (http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/thomas-hoyle.html)
The secret is that if you love your career or craft, you will never work a day in your life.
I encourage my kids all of the time (both budding musicians) that, if they want to pursue a career in music, put every effort into it and don't go halfway. I don't expect them to be rock stars, but there are more careers in music than just that. Being an accomplished session musician that can be handed a chart on Monday, sight-read it, and prepared to record your part on Tuesday for say, a TV commercial jingle by Wednesday is more flexible than hanging out in a garage and counting on luck to "make it big" I tell them to work as hard as you can and be the best that you can be at your profession and the rewards are endless, the least of which being the lack of dread about waking up every day and going to a place that you hate, performing tasks that you despise all because you need to survive.
I wish her the best of luck :aok
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I went to college for a degree in graphic design (signs/advertisements not CGI). If she has a love for it I would say let her do it.
My youngest wanted to go for culinary arts.She had a 4.0 through high school and graduated a year early, she could have done anything. We encouraged her and she's loving it. One thing I would suggest though, also encourage her to pick up another trade or skill as her minor. Believe it or not art is a cut throat field. There's only so many jobs in a field like that and there's an over abundance of people wanting to fill them, especially in today's economy.
My profession is in the I.T./Security world. That's where I make my money and support my family now. I still love art but ended up here. Encourage her to follow her talents but to also have a backup plan while she's gaining experience, contacts, and skills in the field she wants to go into. Actresses want to act, but most wait tables for decades before they "hit it big". She may prefer doing something else while pushing towards the big goal.
Major in art, minor in something that she could pay the bills with instead of living in your basement till she's 23.
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Today's "where the money's at" field is tomorrow "flooded with college graduates who were told that's where the money's at coming out of high school" field.
My friend works at Best Buy and just about every one of his co-workers is a 20 something with an engineering degree. Most kids drop out of these big bucks STEM fields anyway. May as well pay the money doing what you want to do the first time around instead of wasting time and money just to be left there anyway.
Not that I have a whole lot of life experience to speak of.
Engineers without any secondary experience/degrees/specialty (project management, CAD, environmental ____ ) are a dime a dozen off the boat that just docked at the pier from India. An experienced/refined civil/structural/hydrolic worth their beans are still in very high demand, at least in this city.
Very nice stuff Goaly! :aok
I have a cousin who studied art,he ended up making movies,animated of course,very likely you've seen some of his work. Roger Rabbit!
Anyhoo,good on you for helping her follow her dreams!
:salute
I'm always lookin' for my own Jessica Rabbit out here in this world! :O :devil