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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: olds442 on March 08, 2012, 06:18:10 PM
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i was running furmark 1.7 and i got a huge amount of articfacs on my OC HIS radeon 6790. but when in games like BC2 or BF3 or even in 3D mark its fine is my card bad or is furmark killing it?
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benchmark programs put a lot more stress on your video cards than games do, especially if the benchmark is designed to put so much stress on your card that it overheats it and causing the artifacts you see in the tool.
It is very important to read the disclaimers and instructions before using these types of programs. Don't claim you did, if you had then you wouldn't have posted this thread in the first place.
FurMark is a very intensive OpenGL benchmark that uses fur rendering algorithms to measure the performance of the graphics card. Fur rendering is especially adapted to overheat the GPU and that's why FurMark is also a perfect stability and stress test tool (also called GPU burner) for the graphics card.
ack-ack
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i was running furmark 1.7 and i got a huge amount of articfacs on my OC HIS radeon 6790. but when in games like BC2 or BF3 or even in 3D mark its fine is my card bad or is furmark killing it?
Why on earth do you need to run furmark? Especially on a home computer!
You are quite capable of running a game like Aces High - and test your settings in game to find the best settings.
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i was running furmark 1.7 and i got a huge amount of articfacs on my OC HIS radeon 6790. but when in games like BC2 or BF3 or even in 3D mark its fine is my card bad or is furmark killing it?
Ack Ack is correct, benchmark programs are designed to stress your hardware to the limit.
This useful when overclocking to test for stability.
Most hardware has "headroom" (not a room in your house Silat) built into it for stability and longevity.
When overclocking (as I do) we see how much of that we can get away with using.
That's where programs such as furmark are useful.
All hardware is NOT created equal. Differences in quality of ram, capacitors, ic's, VRM's, in fact all of the electrical components of a given piece of hardware determine how overclockable a component is, or is not.
When it comes to video cards brands like XFX, EVGA and Sapphire use fairly high quality components.
Lower brands such as HIS in particular do not. The actual graphics chip is made by ATI, the rest, well you get the point.
Herein lies your issue. You have an OC version of a card made by a brand known for using inferior components.
As well as inferior cooling.
On a factory OC component the bios are flashed to run higher than a standard card. Meaning its overclocked a bit and there is nothing you can do about it that I would recommend.
The artifacts you are seeing I would bet are from poor quality overclocked memory with cooling not up to the task.
Stop benching that card, it will kill it.
Yama
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Why on earth do you need to run furmark? Especially on a home computer!
You are quite capable of running a game like Aces High - and test your settings in game to find the best settings.
how is this a "normal home computer"
furmark is a tool used for overclocking the video card and that is what I'm doing. i bought the HIS radeon 6790 because i like making underused cards preform better its in the fun for me. like making my very old HIS radeon 5670 run BC2 on high settings.( note it ran furmark fine). also the HIS radeon 6790 turbo 1GB game STOCK from the factory with a over clock. see below
Radeon HD 6790: core clock 840MHz/memory clock: 1105 per cell (4 cells) (stock card)
HIS radeon HD 6790 1GB turbo ICE Q (card i have now) core clock 900MHz/memory clock 1100 per cell (4 cells) (HIS card)
Ive bumped the HIS radeon card to 950MHz core clock and 1150MHz memory clock per cell (4 cell)
I'm trying to get to the 1GHz mark with the core clock and 1250MHz memory clock.
that's why I'm using stress testing programs
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Ack Ack is correct, benchmark programs are designed to stress your hardware to the limit.
This useful when overclocking to test for stability.
Most hardware has "headroom" (not a room in your house Silat) built into it for stability and longevity.
When overclocking (as I do) we see how much of that we can get away with using.
That's where programs such as furmark are useful.
All hardware is NOT created equal. Differences in quality of ram, capacitors, ic's, VRM's, in fact all of the electrical components of a given piece of hardware determine how overclockable a component is, or is not.
When it comes to video cards brands like XFX, EVGA and Sapphire use fairly high quality components.
Lower brands such as HIS in particular do not. The actual graphics chip is made by ATI, the rest, well you get the point.
Herein lies your issue. You have an OC version of a card made by a brand known for using inferior components.
As well as inferior cooling.
On a factory OC component the bios are flashed to run higher than a standard card. Meaning its overclocked a bit and there is nothing you can do about it that I would recommend.
The artifacts you are seeing I would bet are from poor quality overclocked memory with cooling not up to the task.
Stop benching that card, it will kill it.
Yama
i will stand by HIS day and night because of 3 things. one i have to say is how much preformance i can get from lower end cards from them such as my old 5670 that ran this game almost all settings up. and another thing i KNOW HIS has one of the best coolers because on a stock clock (well stock for HIS as the card i have is pre overclocked) my highest temps are around 130. and if i max fan to 100 (and i do this as another case vent) the temps stay well below 130. and the RADEON 5670 card from HIS i had was soaked in water when a window broke out in my room during a storm. that card still works to this day yet the whole card had water on it. that sold me for life when that happend to HIS i really love there cards.
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this is my exact card im useing right now http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-607.shtml
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You're right.
Run it till it smokes. :aok
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But remember...don't let the smoke out!!!
shamus
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You should never blame anything to destroy anything if you mention OC in the same sentence. Your OC card couldn't handle the heat quite literally.
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i was running furmark 1.7 and i got a huge amount of articfacs on my OC HIS radeon 6790. but when in games like BC2 or BF3 or even in 3D mark its fine is my card bad or is furmark killing it?
Why would you ask this question and than post some of your following comments??
We all like or dislike certain companies, try getting warranty service on an HIS card. No fun
I ran HIS 4870's in CF, so I am familiar with HIS
Wet cards still live = luck, no matter which brand
Temps of 130 are to high, if my Sapphire CF 6950's bios modded to 6970's 910/1375 run over 90 I consider them to hot for acceptable longevity. They are reference cards at that, with dual flashable bios
Pushing hardware to the limit is fun. Then backing it down to match the maximum performance need for the given application = smart.
Next time I buy XFX = lifetime warranty = cross ship replacements
Is Furmark destroying your GPU? No grasshopper that would be you :)
Yama
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Why would you ask this question and than post some of your following comments??
We all like or dislike certain companies, try getting warranty service on an HIS card. No fun
I ran HIS 4870's in CF, so I am familiar with HIS
Wet cards still live = luck, no matter which brand
Temps of 130 are to high, if my Sapphire CF 6950's bios modded to 6970's 910/1375 run over 90 I consider them to hot for acceptable longevity. They are reference cards at that, with dual flashable bios
Pushing hardware to the limit is fun. Then backing it down to match the maximum performance need for the given application = smart.
Next time I buy XFX = lifetime warranty = cross ship replacements
Is Furmark destroying your GPU? No grasshopper that would be you :)
Yama
not in Celsius. but 130 fahrenheit
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not in Celsius. but 130 fahrenheit
no temps are in c in farehheit would have to be about 260.
semp
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no temps are in c in farehheit would have to be about 260.
semp
no i have speedfan to show in farehheit.
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i was running furmark 1.7 and i got a huge amount of articfacs on my OC HIS radeon 6790. but when in games like BC2 or BF3 or even in 3D mark its fine is my card bad or is furmark killing it?
Sounds like you trashed your Video Card RAM.
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but it runs 3dmark and games fine?
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but it runs 3dmark and games fine?
*sigh*
FurMark is designed to stress your card so much that it overheats. 3DMark does not do that, it is not designed to stress your card in that way. Also, the scores in 3DMark are artificial as both ATI and Nvidia got caught red handed tweaking their drivers to give artificial high scores.
As for games, well, games aren't designed to purposely over heat your video card. Again, make sure you read the instructions and disclaimers before using such programs like FurMark. As you've experienced first hand, it's not a very smart idea to tweak things when you don't really understand what you're doing.
ack-ack
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but it runs 3dmark and games fine?
If you are getting artifacts, chances are yes, you deep six'd your card.
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*sigh*
FurMark is designed to stress your card so much that it overheats. 3DMark does not do that, it is not designed to stress your card in that way. Also, the scores in 3DMark are artificial as both ATI and Nvidia got caught red handed tweaking their drivers to give artificial high scores.
As for games, well, games aren't designed to purposely over heat your video card. Again, make sure you read the instructions and disclaimers before using such programs like FurMark. As you've experienced first hand, it's not a very smart idea to tweak things when you don't really understand what you're doing.
ack-ack
so funny i dont know what I'm doing when Ive done this to two other cards my HIS 5670 and my Friends HD radeon 5770. strange how they ALL work fine.
I'm looking too see if anyone else has had this problem, not how my computer sucks, my video card sucks, and now i dint under stand what I'm doing.
i thank you all for the help you have given me info I never knew I didn't know that I'm a clueless idiot who has never done this before (yet i have), or how my video sucks and i should go beg mommy for a new one.
if you have to add more to this conversation then do it in a poilite friendly way, if not the door is right there.
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it isnt that olds. but the point of oc is to make your card perform better/faster as high as you can do it. the fact that you messing up with two cards and you dont know why you are getting artifacts perhaps should indicate that you need to learn a little more.
when you start seeing lots of artifacts then it's time to stop and go back to the previous lower stable settings that you had. you dont work your way down. you work your way up.
the fact that you play the games and it looks ok it's because those games dont stress your video card as much as that program that you are using. it's really two different things.
it's like having 100 bucks to spend and you dont buy the $100 dollar suit but instead go buy the $30 and wonder why you have money left.
semp
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so funny i dont know what I'm doing when Ive done this to two other cards my HIS 5670 and my Friends HD radeon 5770. strange how they ALL work fine.
I'm looking too see if anyone else has had this problem, not how my computer sucks, my video card sucks, and now i dint under stand what I'm doing.
i thank you all for the help you have given me info I never knew I didn't know that I'm a clueless idiot who has never done this before (yet i have), or how my video sucks and i should go beg mommy for a new one.
if you have to add more to this conversation then do it in a poilite friendly way, if not the door is right there.
If you knew what you were doing then you would know why you were seeing artifacts in FurMark and we wouldn't have to explain it to you. Take it for what it's worth, some of us know computers a little more than you do.
ack-ack
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I wish I could buy equipment then abuse it until it cooks in the name of fun.
why dont you buy a card and send it to me for in game testing. I will let yu know how well it performs and it wont get cooked :rock
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Maybe someone should email his folks and see if they want to continue to shell out $200 every time he "tests" another card. :devil
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I'm looking too see if anyone else has had this problem, not how my computer sucks, my video card sucks, and now i dint under stand what I'm doing.
i thank you all for the help you have given me info I never knew I didn't know that I'm a clueless idiot who has never done this before (yet i have), or how my video sucks and i should go beg mommy for a new one.
if you have to add more to this conversation then do it in a poilite friendly way, if not the door is right there.
Quick lesson on memory, video or system.
All memory is not created equal, even in the same batch just as in CPU's
To sort out the better chips they test them in a process known as binning the memory (name comes from sorting the memory and putting in separate bins)
The best example is in system memory. 1600, 1833, 2166 memory can all come from the same batch. Any memory above 1600 is really just overclocked 1600. There is no real standard above 1600. Since only the best of memory chips can be clocked at the higher speeds they cost more, not so much due to the construction costing more but the sorting and rarity of chips able to do so.
Then there are different manufacturers of the chips themselves.
Samsung, Hyundai, Indellux, Micron etc.
Some produce better chips than others.
Micron for one is known to usually overclock better than most.
Hyundai also has made some good chips.
Then there different plants in different countries from the same manufacturer.
Some plants produce a higher quality product than another.
Thats why there are codes on the chips themselves just as in CPU's
Now add video cards manufactures with different motives. The cheaper priced ones use cheaper priced materials.
How do you think they can sell the cards cheaper?
When you overclock system memory past what it can handle it either stops booting or starts blue screening. Keep doing it enough and you either kill the memory or the memory controller.
With video memory it starts producing artifacts, keep pushing it and it will start artifacting at even stock speeds as it gets degraded by to much heat. Feed it with to much voltage such as a bios mod or an overclocking app and it compounds the problem.
Video cards also have a memory controller and voltage regulator. These can also be damaged. Kind of like to much back pressure in a fluid pump can destroy the pump by overheating.
Not bashing your beloved HIS, just saying they are a cheaper priced card for a reason.
Your seeing artifacts because the memory on your card cant handle what you are asking of it.
Ack Ack is correct. Games and certain benchmarks do not stress components like programs that are designed to test stability.
Herein is the reason it runs some programs and not others.
A standard in overclocking is that a component must be able to run the overclock stable for a minimum of 12 hours pushed to the max before being considered a stable overclock.
CPU's are much the same. Such as my I7 2600k cpu, I can get it to boot to 5.0 with enough voltage, but not stable for 24 hours even with massive cooling. Heck not even stable at all when asked to do much. It will however run 4.7 24/7 with a lower acceptable voltage.
It is however one of only 30% of CPU's that will handle 4.7 24/7 stable. So im ok with it.
Theres lots of reading out there if you want to learn properly. Overclocking properly in small steps and constant testing can be done without killing components.
Enter at own risk.
Hope that helps grasshopper.
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Hope your watching your temps on your video card.
I was trying to get alittle more out of my AMD 940 be. I had stable running prime 95 for about 1/2 hour at 3.5, but my CPU cooler will not cut the mustard and keep my CPU cool enough. OH well.
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Hope your watching your temps on your video card.
I was trying to get alittle more out of my AMD 940 be. I had stable running prime 95 for about 1/2 hour at 3.5, but my CPU cooler will not cut the mustard and keep my CPU cool enough. OH well.
I use a TermalTake Silver Arrow its got 2 push/pull 140mm fans, massive in size.
Argueably the best air cooler on the market.
Case and memory clearance are a concern
Yama
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makes me think I have noctua dh-14 on top of my cpu, an Asus DirectCU videocard, and didn't start abusing my hardware yet :O
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I use a TermalTake Silver Arrow its got 2 push/pull 140mm fans, massive in size.
Argueably the best air cooler on the market.
Case and memory clearance are a concern
Yama
My memory is really high or tall. Going to build a new computer within the next 18 months. I bought a 6950 xfx 2 gig card , now just need some mo money.
I run my 940 @ 3.2..good enough. I really don't want to invest in this system anymore nor do I want to take it apart.
Thanks though, I'll take a looksy at it though.................. :)
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Maybe someone should email his folks and see if they want to continue to shell out $200 every time he "tests" another card. :devil
I wish I could buy equipment then abuse it until it cooks in the name of fun.
why dont you buy a card and send it to me for in game testing. I will let yu know how well it performs and it wont get cooked :rock
ok folks lets get this stright, im NOT a complete handsomehunk, and if you think so good for you. i came here to see if any one else had this problem, not how im a whiney kid who dont know what he is doing and is a complete idiot who gets what ever he wants.
only thing that should destroy a good video is heat or overvolting. you cant overvolt a ATI card (well with ease that is) a 80mhz overclock is not going to "destory my card making a awesome fireworks display" when temps are below 130* F.
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OK folks lets get this straight, I'm NOT a complete handsomehunk, and if you think so, good for you. I came here to see if any one else had this problem, not how I'm a whiny kid who doesn't know what I am doing and is a complete idiot who gets what ever I want.
The only thing that should destroy a good video is heat or over-volting. You can't over-volt an ATI card (well with ease that is), an 80mhz overclock is not going to "destroy my card making an awesome fireworks display" when temps are below 130* F.
:bhead
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Why does it matter? You only overclock if you need too, or over volt for that matter - in any case buying a new card eliminates the need for this period.
I had to undervolt my laptop to keep it from melting itself as well as under-volting the Video card in it because frankly it was a high powered card for a laptop that couldn't handle the heat (design problem).
The difference here is I had no choice in doing this, otherwise playing aces high for 30 seconds would crash the laptop due to heat.
In your case I don't even SEE a reason to use furmark or bother with overclocking for any purpose other then destroy a video card.
Why not just buy some lego's and build something then drop a cherry bomb on it to see what happens? more entertaining and less money your parents spend.
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i came here to see if any one else had this problem,
If you had bother to read the instructions when you used FurMark, you would have known that others that used the same program most likely experienced the same issue.
ack-ack
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I came here asking a question trying to prove im a excellent pc god and i asked a question and when you answer i will own you because i think i know more than you do im olds442 but have never driven one please oh please just look at me someone say something to me :noid
NOTE: To all aces high players I am a sound guru and I taught bill gates and steve jobs everything they ever knew about pc`s and macs "DO NOT TEMP ME CUZ I WILL UNLEASH THE HOUNDS OF HELL"
I am 15 hear me ROAR!!!!!!
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Oh I am so quoting that.
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Oh I am so quoting that.
meh. He screwed up his video card because he wanted to stress it. I think it's funny he went emo-rage though.