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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kilo2 on March 10, 2012, 02:51:26 AM
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So I got into a 1v1 with a certain person tonight and was shot down.
After about 10 minutes this person voice PMs me and starts to chew me out. What it all boiled down to was that he did not like the fact I didn't salute him.
Now he says that is the custom for the vanquished to salute first. I tell him I do not salute really at all. His response to this was "you lost my respect and all my friends respect."
My respect account was now zeroed out maybe even in the red.
I don't know who is right here. Should I salute or not?
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There is no obligation to salute
Speaking personally, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't
The fact that this guy whined at you, told you defeated person is obliged to salute, and then claimed he had lost all respect for you when told you do not care to salute people, is a clear indication that his opinion and respect is not worth having in the first place :)
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salutng is fr officers. it lame
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If someone salutes you, it's only common courtesy to salute back. Otherwise, you look like a sore loser. It's almost like refusing to shake someone's hand.
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There is no obligation to salute
Speaking personally, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't
The fact that this guy whined at you, told you defeated person is obliged to salute, and then claimed he had lost all respect for you when told you do not care to salute people, is a clear indication that his opinion and respect is not worth having in the first place :)
:aok
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That's the thing banshee he didn't salute me.
Losing respect is not a big deal just interesting to know the opinions on the matter.
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I wasn't watching the buffer at the time, but he was claiming on vox that you didn't salute him back after he had saluted you.
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I wasn't watching the buffer at the time, but he was claiming on vox that you didn't salute him back after he had saluted you.
Sounds like a court martial matter to me :old: This is a serious accusation
At least it makes a change from the 'this guy claimed I HO'd him' threads
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At least it makes a change from the 'this guy claimed I HO'd him' threads
Right. I disagree with the actions he took, but I understand where he's coming from. Every time someone doesn't salute me back after I salute them I know they didn't see it or didn't want to salute back. Feels like a slap in the face sometimes. Especially after those long, hard fights that gets you pumped.
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You killed someone with an entitlement complex.
Blank him and the horse he rode in on and his friends.
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I rarely salute anyone, unless they salute me first.
The reason is, in the past I have saluted numerous folks who in return informed me that I am not worthy of a salute. If I receive a salute, then I will return the salute whether I have won or lost, otherwise I will up another plane or go look for another kill.
Fred
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I'll always <S> if I can, but usually if I've just shot someone down, I'm now busy with his buddy and don't have time. You're right though, that is odd behavior.
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I almost always return a salute, unless the person who saluted me didn't deserve a return salute (they picked me or killed me in a gang 3 or 4 on 1.... yeh, I actually was all screwed up in a 1 v 3 once and a 4th guy came blowing through in a -4 Hog and picked me... then sent me a salute! I asked "WTF are you saluting me for?"
But for a good fight, yeh, I'll return a salute. To not do so makes ya look like a doushenozzle.
In the few instances where I salute someone who deserves one, and they don't return it, I'll send them another one a few minutes later, in case they missed the first one.
If they refuse to acknowledge the second one, depending on who it is, it may be time to openly mock them on 200. :D
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I have 200 and salutes turned off, make for very nice text buffer. Next thing to go will be system messages.
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last night I got into a good fight with someone, then a few of my countrymen got involved. This gent fought like a demon. I put the first, worst, and final damage on him, then saluted him for a very tough fight. He either didn't see it or didn't think I was worthy of a return salute. I don't tune 200 so maybe he returned it there, I don't know. Point is it really doesn't bother me when folks don't return them. Just shows a certain lack of character to me. :cheers:
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Fred I salute you even if have not tangled.... :salute
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" It's good to be the king!"
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/Spanky_McAllister/Fun%20Pictures/melbrooks.jpg)
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I rarely give them & don't expect them.
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I rarely give them & don't expect them.
:aok :airplane: :joystick: :old: :neener: :salute dont tune to 200 my seft
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So I got into a 1v1 with a certain person tonight and was shot down.
After about 10 minutes this person voice PMs me and starts to chew me out. What it all boiled down to was that he did not like the fact I didn't salute him.
Now he says that is the custom for the vanquished to salute first. I tell him I do not salute really at all. His response to this was "you lost my respect and all my friends respect."
My respect account was now zeroed out maybe even in the red.
I don't know who is right here. Should I salute or not?
Sounds like a sore WINNER to me...I am a huge fan of "play the game like the other guy wants you to"...it makes for a much better world.
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I've always thought it was proper for the loser to salute first, but I also realize that not everyone believes what I do. I generally salute win or lose if I think it was a good fight. Heck, I've saluted 2 weekers just for trying to fight. It's nice to get a salute but I certainly don't expect them.
As far as i'm concerned the ole boy you speak of in your fight, cancelled out any hopes of a salute then and in the future when he PMed you in a rude fashion.
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If its an unusualy good or exceptional fight I will certainly salute first and will always return a salute. But dont expect me to salute you if A. pick me taking off/refueling B. pick me while dueling someone else.
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Right. I disagree with the actions he took, but I understand where he's coming from. Every time someone doesn't salute me back after I salute them I know they didn't see it or didn't want to salute back. Feels like a slap in the face sometimes. Especially after those long, hard fights that gets you pumped.
This happen multiple times to me by my old squadmates, I took it both ways and Just said the heck with it. :bhead
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Almost never
1. I cannot be bothered looking up name to type out, best I will do is a S
2. It has to be a fight worthy of a S otherwise I spend all night saluting (see 1.)
The only exceptions I make are
1. If a fight is exceptional
2. The person is a friend
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Almost never
1. I cannot be bothered looking up name to type out, best I will do is a S
2. It has to be a fight worthy of a S otherwise I spend all night saluting (see 1.)
The only exceptions I make are
1. If a fight is exceptional
2. The person is a friend
3.Ignore List- DrBone
Fixed. :)
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Fixed. :)
Well thats a bit childish, saluted you plenty of times and still do. :rofl
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Are we not all children playing video games? ;) :salute jking Perv LOVE YA!
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Are we not all children playing video games? ;) :salute jking Perv LOVE YA!
No, sadly I am a grown man playing video games :frown:
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I salute 60% of the time, every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLq2-uZd5LY
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If its an unusualy good or exceptional fight I will certainly salute first and will always return a salute. But dont expect me to salute you if A. pick me taking off/refueling B. pick me while dueling someone else.
That is kind of how I feel but if someone salutes me, even if one of those two conditions are met, I feel like a jerk if I don't salute back unless Condition 3 has been met.
Condition 3: Its late at night, the arena is dead, and I've been drinking.
:salute
Spork
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So I got into a 1v1 with a certain person tonight and was shot down.
After about 10 minutes this person voice PMs me and starts to chew me out. What it all boiled down to was that he did not like the fact I didn't salute him.
Now he says that is the custom for the vanquished to salute first. I tell him I do not salute really at all. His response to this was "you lost my respect and all my friends respect."
My respect account was now zeroed out maybe even in the red.
I don't know who is right here. Should I salute or not?
He proved himself out of the league of those salutable so to say. If saluted it is nice to salute back if the fight was a good one. I laugh when your in a fight and some guy not in the fight zooms through and picks you then tries to salute you. lol
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No, sadly I am a grown man playing video games :frown:
:lol I should have specified "we are all children on the inside" :angel:
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I have 200 and salutes turned off, make for very nice text buffer. Next thing to go will be system messages.
I don't think the constant so-and-so shot you down messages are that bad myself
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If it was a good fight I usually salute the guy, win or lose....but this sounds like a bunch of effing high school girls getting their panties in a wad :old:
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:lol I should have specified "we are all children on the inside" :angel:
too true :cheers:
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:mad: :mad: :mad: This is War.....only salute your own side! :salute :mad: :salute
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I see neither faux <S> nor System landed messages.
I do not give faux <S> either. At most I may toss out a :o) or "fun" if it was worthy (which it most often isn't and the usual compliment about the others' lack of, well... a lot of things. :noid
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I see neither faux <S> nor System landed messages.
I do not give faux <S> either. At most I may toss out a :o) or "fun" if it was worthy (which it most often isn't and the usual compliment about the others' lack of, well... a lot of things. :noid
shane....when exactly did you develop such a severe case of cranial-rectomitis?
a few years ago when i was seeing you in the ma fairly regularly you were a good guy who was willing to acknowledge even a noobie just showing effort....when did you become such a jaded arse?
if i see it i return the salute, its called manners. if i had fun i salute first, if its a well known player and i got a lucky kill i salute first and admit the luck, if they twisted and turned and stole the advantage from me and then got me i salute them.......in other words i will usually salute anyone because sportsmanship and having a good time are part of the intent of the game and sharing the common courtesy of a salute goes a long way to seeing that all share in it.
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I salute if at least one of the qualifications on my "salute" list is met, and provided the number of checks on a second "don't salute" list is lower than those on the first:
salute
1) it was an actual fight
2) I had fun
3) they gave me a run for my money
4) they fought as if the fight was most important, not the kill
5) they hadn't made a B-line for my 110 or P-40 (not just out for an easy kill)
6) they were skilled, and beat me because they were a better pilot
don't salute
1)they cherry picked
2) vulched
3) HO'd
4) were part of a horde
5) tried to hide in ack
6) rolled over and lawn-darted after the first tracers flew by
And a few exceptions:
1) I always return salute to someone I shot down, regardless of circumstances
2) I return salute even to horders and gangers if the fight lasted more than about 15-20 seconds, because personally, I think a salute is a sign of respect. If I flew well enough to earn a <S>, especially fighting 10-1, I give them the BOTD and assume they aren't trolling, or using it sarcasticly.
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I salute if at least one of the qualifications on my "salute" list is met ... <SNIP>
I find myself agreeing with alot of this :rock
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I generally try to return all salutes, it's a game after all and if the person is making a nice gesture I don't think it hurts to return it. It's also not the end of the world if I send a salute and don't get one back. Maybe that person is involved in another fight and doesn't see it, maybe they're afk or went to get a drink or a snack. There's lots of reasons why someone wouldn't return a salute and only a few of them are negative.
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So I got into a 1v1 with a certain person tonight and was shot down.
After about 10 minutes this person voice PMs me and starts to chew me out. What it all boiled down to was that he did not like the fact I didn't salute him.
Now he says that is the custom for the vanquished to salute first. I tell him I do not salute really at all. His response to this was "you lost my respect and all my friends respect."
My respect account was now zeroed out maybe even in the red.
I don't know who is right here. Should I salute or not?
In all honesty, I've never been a big fan of <S>. Mostly cause it seems silly considering no one is really dying and we get new planes. For the longest time I went with 'nice flying', 'nice fight' or something like that. To me the <S> implied this was far more important then it really is.
I <S> on occasion now, but it still feels strange to me. I understand it's become a courtesy thing, but I sure wouldn't take it personal if someone doesn't <S> nor would I support there being an expectation that anyone needs to <S>
How many times have any of us been in the middle of a great fight, only to be picked by a guy who then salutes us like he accomplished something.
As for what is the custom, that's the first I've ever heard of it.
I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over it, or give it another thought.
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I only salute when the opponent gives a great fight............and only when I lose.
I may return a salute from a vanquished opponent on 200 but never return brags disguised as salutes.
90% of my salutes are on PM.
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In all honesty, I've never been a big fan of <S>. Mostly cause it seems silly considering no one is really dying and we get new planes. For the longest time I went with 'nice flying', 'nice fight' or something like that. To me the <S> implied this was far more important then it really is.
I <S> on occasion now, but it still feels strange to me. I understand it's become a courtesy thing, but I sure wouldn't take it personal if someone doesn't <S> nor would I support there being an expectation that anyone needs to <S>
How many times have any of us been in the middle of a great fight, only to be picked by a guy who then salutes us like he accomplished something.
As for what is the custom, that's the first I've ever heard of it.
I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over it, or give it another thought.
See? Personally, I feel it comes down to one thing: did they earn recognition? And that can range from giving a good fight, to not pulling the trigger on the HO, to simply going out of their way to extend you curtousy (eg, saluting you first, regardless of how long the fight was, or how good it was).
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Anyone man enough to salute I salute em back, don't care if they vulch ho picked me in a 5 v 1. That said, if someone doesn't salute me back I figure they are either busy in a fight, or don't tune 200 (amazing not everyone tunes the drama channel no?) . Anyone getting upset is a tad childish in my book...now lets get back in there and fight!
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If it was a good fight I usually salute the guy, win or lose....but this sounds like a bunch of effing high school girls getting their panties in a wad :old:
Anyone man enough to salute I salute em back, don't care if they vulch ho picked me in a 5 v 1. That said, if someone doesn't salute me back I figure they are either busy in a fight, or don't tune 200 (amazing not everyone tunes the drama channel no?) . Anyone getting upset is a tad childish in my book...now lets get back in there and fight!
Ditto.
How many times have any of us been in the middle of a great fight, only to be picked by a guy who then salutes us like he accomplished something.
Maybe he did, could be a new guy.
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Doesn't matter. Sometimes I salute, if I think it was an especially good fight or I feel like it. Sometimes I don't because I am simply not thinking about it, or on to something else and didn't even bother paying attention to who it was that killed me. The bottom line is I don't expect a salute if I shoot someone down. Those are expectations that will never be met so I would constantly be disappointrf. I'd rather have no expectations and be pleasantly surprised if it happens than have an unmet expectation and spend most of my time disappointed.
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Ditto.
Maybe he did, could be a new guy.
Go back and read it in the context of what I wrote shiv.
Jekyll, I would be hard pressed to describe anything that we do in AH as "manly" :)
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I always respond to salutes. After a good 1v1 I always salute first, win or lose.
I know some refuse to salute no matter...what ever.
Boo
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Go back and read it in the context of what I wrote shiv.
I understood you I think, unless I didn't. Even if not a new guy, might be acknowledging you flew well and were hard to pick. Either way, unless some one is using <S> to wind you up, what's the difference? <S> back and move on.
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There are some people in this game the second you login and see them you automatically .salute them out of respect. Then there are the "others".
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Just .squelch vdallas
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Just .squelch vdallas
It surely can't have been him, Sukov said he lost a 1v1 against whoever it was... :O
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My keyboard is in a not good position to type so that I had a button programmed to write <S> only.
If I can, then I add the nikname of the opposer too.
In a furball ... ??? :O
In general if I don't answer that's is because I have something more interesting to do.
:salute
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shane....when exactly did you develop such a severe case of cranial-rectomitis?
a few years ago when i was seeing you in the ma fairly regularly you were a good guy who was willing to acknowledge even a noobie just showing effort....when did you become such a jaded arse?
I'm still appreciative of efforts - always have been. It's been my standard practice to not do <S> since even before I came to AH. Like I said, I acknowledge in other ways. It's just a personal thing, about the <S>. I save them for the passing of vets and stuff like that here on the BBS.
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I often salute people after shooting them down and find they have logged.
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It surely can't have been him, Sukov said he lost a 1v1 against whoever it was... :O
lol Ive been killed by that guy, and THEN he pm's me to berate me for whatever stupid thing I did to end up in the tower
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I'd throw a salute to people I enjoy fighting or a friend that has landed a good bag of kills even if I wasn't one of them.
Don't expect a salute from me If you just ganged or HOed. I will return your insulting salute when I next kill you :D
Any good fights that go on for awhile, win or lose you will get one back.
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I'd throw a salute to people I enjoy fighting or a friend that has landed a good bag of kills even if I wasn't one of them.
Don't expect a salute from me If you just ganged or HOed. I will return your insulting salute when I next kill you :D
Any good fights that go on for awhile, win or lose you will get one back.
What about picked or vulched?....or "dogfight interruptus"?
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What about picked or vulched?....or "dogfight interruptus"?
I wouldn't up from a vulched field, as for picked it would be my own SA's fault and not the good teamwork of my opposition ;)
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I wouldn't up from a vulched field, as for picked it would be my own SA's fault and not the good teamwork of my opposition ;)
So that's a yes? lol
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I wouldn't up from a vulched field, as for picked it would be my own SA's fault and not the good teamwork of my opposition ;)
And here is an object lesson of whats wrong with 99% of all games everywhere: the "one kill is just as good as another" mentality.
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Go back and read it in the context of what I wrote shiv.
Jekyll, I would be hard pressed to describe anything that we do in AH as "manly" :)
Ok, you got me there! :O
:aok
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I often salute people after shooting them down and find they have logged.
So that's why I've got the 2 -3 million salutes from ya! :devil
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lol Ive been killed by that guy, and THEN he pm's me to berate me for whatever stupid thing I did to end up in the tower
I did? I do not often PM people.
It most likely was not berating but trying to help I honestly do not recall ever doing anything like that.
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I think he meant Dallas :old:
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I think he meant Dallas :old:
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