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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hangtime on April 11, 2000, 12:23:00 AM
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Who does yer hair??
Ok; question 2: I gotta PII 266, and a good supermicro mobo. Lotsa ram; 770 vid card with 32 megs. This last revison has forced me into bombers.. frame are too low fer furballin. I'm tapped cash wize; the cat needs another operation. (anybody ever see Johnny Dangerously??) Anyway; I digress..
Whats the fastest processor I can plug into my existing board???
Thanks!
Hang
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Weird, I have a PII 233 + 128MB + TNT 16MB
My frame rate is commonly 30 and I have no prob with furballing. Although at times the framerate does drop some but not so that I can't get myself killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Telll me exactly what Mobo it is & I'll tell U that !
If it's a SECC (Slot 1) and a BX chipset, I think that if you upgrade your BIOS, you could go up to 600MHZ. Check that you get one in Slot 1 at 100MHZ Bus Speed.
(check if you can flash your Bios, if you can, fastest CPU support will be in the BIOSFLASH text file...)
Saw
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A barber!
Depends on the chipset used by your motherboard. BX (100 mhz max bus speed) or LX (66 Mhz max). With a BX you can run them without overclocking up to 600 Mhz. An LX tops out for PII's at 333, but can take Celerons as high as 466 without problems. Note: A celeron 466 is just as fast as a PII 450 for this game. In fact, the ONLY difference between a PII and a celeron is cache memory design and standard FSB speed. Even the Pentium 3 shares the same basic core, code name "Deschutes". A PII 266 can be of either the Deschutes core (.25 micron process) or the older .35 micron "Klammath" (sp.) core. (Btw: Klammath cores were easy to overclock. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) (Coincidently all of Intel's processor cores are named after rivers in Oregon. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Does he shave yer back?
SuperMicro P65A AGP. I dunno what chipset. Pretty sure it's LX. As fer the processor, I'm certain the older Klamath core. This thing was hot stuff when it wuz new... 2 years back. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tell me more about the celeron 466. Sounds like a cheap fast plug in.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 04-11-2000).]
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I would check out the celron processor, its a shure thing...
(A little biased: 300a running at 450 here)
The new celrons have clocked over 800mhz at 100 mhz...
http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpus/intel/copvscel/ (http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpus/intel/copvscel/)
Check it....
(propaganda)
Visit www.arstechnica.com (http://www.arstechnica.com) (good reading and info)
Regards,
DoctoryO
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Hey Hang, just go to SuperMicro's website and check out the latest Bios upgrade. Their website will give you all the info you need. Whatever size PII it will accept, it will aslo accept a Celery of equivelant speed. You can even get a Slocket converter and put a PPGA model Celery in it I imagine.
ts
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Hang, make sure you are in 800 res. The frame rate is higher than 640 res. I know, doesn't make much sense, but that's the way it is with TNT cards! I also have a PII-266, get about 30 fps in 800 res, dropping to 20 in 640 res with a V550!
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Long time since I did my hair!
Use to have a pII 400 and was more or less forced to change it to a celeron 500. (PII and PIII been out of stock as my process. "burnt" up)
I Use A Asus tnt II and I have seen that my ship moves a bit faster than it use to. Graphic operations goes faster for sure!
Crabofix......"life without fish is no life!"
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I do my own hair!
Please do not tell hang how to improve his computer performance! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He is restriced to bombers. I personally do not want to see him in a fighter.
Wait! He shot me down while he was flying a bomber on Sunday. Ah hell , I guess it makes no difference!
Hang, I have a celery 400 o/ced to 450 with a Viper 550 and run about 32-35 in low furballin. The prices of these processors have come down alot. If the board can handle it I'd recommend a Celery 400 to 466 processor. Good Luck and let us know how ya make out!
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 04-11-2000).]
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My girlfriends always do/did my hair since i'm 15. Was more work in the old days cause the helicopter landing place at the rear part of my head becomes larger every month now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Have a celi 400 oc to 450 here together with a Asus TNT2 32MB card. Fps sometimes up to 70 but on average i see 30-35.
blitz
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Another option "not my favourate though" is to shift-F2/F3. Gives you a bit more fps but doesnt look as nice. Sometimes if I am entering a large furball Ill do this just before engaging, then switch back while falling to the ground (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hang,
If your motherboard is an LX chipset then the you probably wont be able to put anything higher than a PII 333. However as someone else mentioned with a BIOS upgrade you might be able to go higher than that with a celeron. The celerons went all the way up to 466mhz I believe and that's on a 66mhz bus. You just have to see what the largest multiplier your motherboard supports. If it's a 7 then you could put a celeron 466 in, but you should confirm this at the Supermicro web page.
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Been using an aopen mb/cerlery 433 oc'd 488, 128 mb ram, voodoo3 3000 16mb card. In a bx board like mine the bus runs at 66mhz fer the cerlery vs. 100 fer the pentium. I oc the bus to 75mhz, but thats the most I can get. Runs very stable. Anyway, my point is this, while you certainly get the most bang fer ur buck with the celeron, a 433 is like $90.00 now, the faster bus speeds you can obtain with a pentium do in fact make a noticable difference. Whether or not the additional cost is worth it is personal preference. If I was gonna build a new 'puter, I'd go with the pentium. I'm gettin between 30 and 60 fps now. The new ah version definately took away some frames, but hey, it's definately worth it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
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Hang, I get around 17-32 FPS now, depending if I look forward or at any other angle. Hasn't really affected my sucky flying at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
What's annoying, is theat 4 point text on a 17" screen that is two feet from my face. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Gotten so I squelch channels 1 & 2 just to not have the headache/distraction. But HT says they're working on it, so I will sit back and wait for the patch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Tern
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I have an alx (slot1) board and upgraded my rig from a PII 233 to a cel 466 (socket7) with an asus "slotket." I believe you can go up to the cel 533 with this setup(66 fsb). The 466 was more cost effective for me at the time. Good luck
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Originally posted by bloom25:
A barber!
Depends on the chipset used by your motherboard. BX (100 mhz max bus speed) or LX (66 Mhz max). With a BX you can run them without overclocking up to 600 Mhz. An LX tops out for PII's at 333, but can take Celerons as high as 466 without problems. Note: A celeron 466 is just as fast as a PII 450 for this game. In fact, the ONLY difference between a PII and a celeron is cache memory design and standard FSB speed. Even the Pentium 3 shares the same basic core, code name "Deschutes". A PII 266 can be of either the Deschutes core (.25 micron process) or the older .35 micron "Klammath" (sp.) core. (Btw: Klammath cores were easy to overclock. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) (Coincidently all of Intel's processor cores are named after rivers in Oregon. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
That's 'cause the main R&D plant is in Oregon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Gents, I might be confused but my good ol' Abit BX6 rev.2 is clicking happily at anything up to 150-odd MHz. I tested it with both 112 and 133MHz FSB, no problems that I could see - booted up, loaded Win98 etc. I run it for an hour or so - there was no smoke coming out and the CPU temp didn't hit critical levels.
Didn't go higher cuz memeory is 133 and the prices had gone up since I bought it, didn't want to fry the memory. Or is it BH? Hmmmm... Don't want ot open the box...
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13 Sqn RAF
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What a slap in the face. You have a stone age PC and you still kill us like rats in a barrel. WTG Hangtime! I fear the day that you get a new PC.
eskimo
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LOL Eskimo.. I been sayin it all along, "..computers don't get kills." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hey guys; thanks for the help. Sure do appreciate it. I'm lookin for an in-stock 466 celeron now; and have been to the supermicro site fer the bios flash. Hopefully; the new processor'll get my frames up a hair; which will get my SA back where it needs ta be. The cat can't wait (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Meantime, it's back to buffin fer bishland. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hang
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Hangtime, you will need a so called slocket adapter for the 466. Not all work with LX chipsets, so keep trying until you find one. (My MB is an Intel "Atlanta" ie AL440LX using bios 14.) Also note, you will need to keep your old processor, because for some reason you can't do bios upgrades with a slocket card installed.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Ok guys it not Hangtimes computer thats the problem its him, He probably got drunk and thinks the frame rate has dropped. And those of you that got shot down by him say hi to hairball the real killer. I have seen him online say here hairball you try and his score goes way up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hang,
I have PII 266 overclocked to 412 MHz and no problems at all.
I don't know how it's done as I bought it from store where this has been a demonstration unit.
Perhaps you should try to oc your pc ?
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Hangtime, you should stay in bombers. You fly a mean B-26! I had a blast the other night trying to bring you down. You're one stubborn s.o.b.! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Makarov1 (edited 04-13-2000).]
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Gents!
I got it! My shiny new celeron 466 came today along with a Tekron 370>Slot 1 adapt card; and after reading thru the various destrution cautions and conflicting diagrams; MFG's exclusions to warranties, !!!WARNING!!!! labels and such... I said 'wot da hell', set the adapter to auto, set the main board for it's highest clock speed, plugged it in and WALLAH! The damn thing actually worked. The new bios spotted it right off, and even windows spooled up withoutta hitch. I had more grief with the bios upgrade (took 20 min) than I did with the processor upgrade.
Frames up to 36 on the ground; and never less than 32 when low flyin thru hangars at A1 with guns blazing.
I am Back in fighters again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) booohhhhhrah!
Bloom25... many thanks, and kudos. I owe yah a big cold frosty one. Or two. Hell; we'll make a night of it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Yer advice with the bios and the slocket made it possible to get this damn antique functional fer at least another year, and all fer less than 15min work and $105.00 bucks including shipping.
Best upgrade I ever made. Thanks again, man!
I'm so psyched; I've ordered an new 19" monitor w/ a .23mm pitch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cya's all up, soon as Hairball feels better.
Hang