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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Gianlupo on March 11, 2012, 12:48:20 PM
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Hi there guys!
After a long time, I assembled a new pc. I have an i7-2600k, with 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 7970 (<-- fastest single GPU videocard on the market, right now, or so they say).... so, imagine my surprise when I downloaded AH again (v. 2.27.3) and, after maxing out everything, I can get at top 50 fps!
Honestly, despite the latest improvements, AH doesn't strike me as a resource hungry game, I thought my new pc could run it without any problem at max detail. So, the question is, is it normal or there's something wrong with my configuration (at hardware or software level)?
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Shadows and anti-alisin will eat FR fast. I don't remember what the setting Skuzzy quoted but it wasn't much as far as anti-alisin goes and it called for more than a Gig of video memory. They also added ground clutter and that will push a video card as well.
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Heya Gian,
good to see you back
I myself have an Intel i7-2600k with 16 GB of PC12800 DDR3 ram, an XFX 6950 2 GB VC, os is win7ult 64bit SP1 on a Crucial CT128M4SSD2 SATA III 128 GB SSD ( also have Aces High on this SSD as well, I was running 2 of these is RAID 0 mode, but it barely increased performance to where it was real noticeable )
as for the latest patch, I actually had to back off of my maxed out settings in graphics some....... patch 2 I saw no problems what so ever even with ground clutter enabled during flight, I stayed maxed out on my 1920 x 1200 res on my 28" 16:10 monitor... when patch 3 recently came out I would hit certian areas to where I took major hits to my fps dropping down from the regular maxed 60/59 fps to down in the 24 to 38 fps range........ also external guns / flack or ackack bursts etc would cause my fps to drop ( I use stock sounds from the AH game only )
edit: I still see some fps drop when some external sounds from planes, bombs, guns, etc go off from others around me, but all the other stuff regarding advanced graphics settings is ok since I backed them off in CCC.................. I also am using an ASUS Xonar DS soundcard ........ instead of the onboard soundchip of my ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe MB........
backing down my AA and other settings in ATI CCC allowed me to get back to a rock solid 59/60 fps
so something has changed or is making the VC take a significant hit on the fps with patch 3...... I am using the 12.1 Cat drivers
my Logitech G510 keyboard has a LCD monitor window that shows me that my i7-2600K is only going up to around 33% CPU load and my RAM is only around 26 to 30 % load while playing
nothing is overclocked, all set at factory clock settings right now
patch 2 had no problems performance wise, patch 3 gives me a big performance hit if I try to max everything out like I had in patch 2....... ( talking about maxing everything out in ATI CCC only, in the game I still have everything maxed out and all boxes checked or turned on all features/advance features/graphics with shadow textures still set to 4096 and I use the high res pkg also )
hope this helps
<S>
TC
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Hey TC, Fugitive!
Good to see you guys! :)
I'm not back, but now I have a new pc and I want to check the game again, after more than a year hyatus... who knows, maybe I'll subscribe again!
TC, thanks, it looks like it may be patch 3 that has some performance issue (at least, I hope so! :D); I didn't see much CPU or RAM usage, too, about the same level you have, and I'm running Cat 12.1, too; I experience, more or less, the same things you see; I had CCC configured to override applications preferences, turning that option off helped me gaining some fps, but, still, I expected a steady 60 (with Vsync enabled).
I just downloaded 12.2, gonna install them, if I see better performance, I'll tell you!
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welcome to the club of people who lost FPS's after the last patch.
I've reduced visual details with no real effect, and posted a bug report there http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,330019.0.html
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Ok, it's clear it's a patch issue, not my pc: thanks for reassuring me, guys! ;)
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I'd like to see a DXDIAG ouput. Did the frame rate pretty much stay at 50 and not fluctuate? Was vsync disabled, or enabled?
As far as reources go, the game can easily chew through 1.5GB of video RAM, depending on your configuration. Reported video RAM usage for Windows 7 and Vista is not correct.
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did you guys try the 12.2 catalyst that just came out?
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did you guys try the 12.2 catalyst that just came out?
yes it gave me blue screens of death and system crashes on BFBC2 and sometimes on aces high.
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I'd like to see a DXDIAG ouput. Did the frame rate pretty much stay at 50 and not fluctuate? Was vsync disabled, or enabled?
Vsync was enabled and frame rate wasn't steady, it fluctuated. 50 was top. At first I played with CCC settings overriding game settings and I had 13 to 26 fps (I just downloaded the game, the only map I have is NDIsles, I flew at A1, with drones and ack firing); when I disabled the override in CCC, I got about 35 to 42, with about 50 at top (I flew even over Bishop city). As for the DXGDIAG, sorry, I can't post it anymore because yesterday, just before going to bed, I updated to Catalyst 12.2, so it would be meaningless, now (or so I think).
I made a very quick try with the new drivers and, sitting on runway at A1, I got 59/60 when looking away from ack and drones, 41/43 when they were into the picture. This evening I'll try it more deeply.
As far as reources go, the game can easily chew through 1.5GB of video RAM, depending on your configuration. Reported video RAM usage for Windows 7 and Vista is not correct.
Ok, it seemed too much: I have 3 GB and it shows me about 2.7 used.
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Cataylst Control Center appears to reserve about 300MB of video RAM, and then there is space reserved for the Windows Aero desktop. If you were using 2.7GB, I would kick the anti-aliasing down a notch or two and see what that does.
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Also, I need a baseline to work with.
1) Disable vsync in the "Video Options".
2) Go offline, using the ndisles terrain.
3) Go to field V2 and sit in the tower.
4) Put down the clipboard.
5) Record the frame rate looking forward and back.
6) alt-tab out and back in
7) Record the frame rate looking forward and back.
Post up the results.
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You might post your catalyst 3D settings too. Some of them really hurt your frame rate.
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5) Record the frame rate looking forward and back.
From tower or from a vehicle?
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From tower or from a vehicle?
Sorry, from the tower.
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Rgr that, I'll do it ASAP.
EDIT: Actually, I could have understood that, my fault!
3) Go to field V2 and sit in the tower.
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Not your fault. I changed the post after you asked the question.
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Not your fault. I changed the post after you asked the question.
Cheater!!! :O (Gee, I missed this guy! :D)
Ok, followed the protocol:
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 52/53 fps, back 45/46 fps;
Post alt-tabbing: forward 51/53 fps, back 46/47 fps;
the above are stabilized values, of course (after about 1 min), initially they were lower and fluctuating.
Let me know if you need other tests and if you want me to post a Dxdiag.
Oh, btw, I don't have Windows Aero turned on, I knew it is a resources hog.
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Cheater!!! :O (Gee, I missed this guy! :D)
Ok, followed the protocol:
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 52/53 fps, back 45/46 fps;
Post alt-tabbing: forward 51/53 fps, back 46/47 fps;
the above are stabilized values, of course (after about 1 min), initially they were lower and fluctuating.
Let me know if you need other tests and if you want me to post a Dxdiag.
Oh, btw, I don't have Windows Aero turned on, I knew it is a resources hog.
I need to know the exact game configuration (Video Settings, Options->Graphic Detail, and Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced) and any options that are being forced via the ATI driver.
Actually, could you just email me your "video8.cfg" file?
After that, I would like for you to return all settings back to thier defaults in the game (rename the "video8.cfg" file) AND in the video card driver. Then try the above test again.
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I tried to do the same, but somehow I can't change my offline map to ndisles, the option is grayed out. :headscratch:
I was sill surprised to see that my unlimited fps in the tower with max anti alias and the settings I posted in the bug section is ~93
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I tried to do the same, but somehow I can't change my offline map to ndisles, the option is grayed out. :headscratch:
I was sill surprised to see that my unlimited fps in the tower with max anti alias and the settings I posted in the bug section is ~93
You probably have an older version of the ndisles terrain installed.
I would like for you to do the same test I outlined above. Before doing so, please rename the "video8.cfg" file in the games "settings" folder and use the defaults for the game and make sure to reset any driver tweaks to thier defaults as well.
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You probably have an older version of the ndisles terrain installed.
I would like for you to do the same test I outlined above. Before doing so, please rename the "video8.cfg" file in the games "settings" folder and use the defaults for the game and make sure to reset any driver tweaks to thier defaults as well.
I was trying to change the terrain via CM tools, doesn't work offline :P
I did the procedure, including deleting the file. I could'nt reset my driver settings as catalyst is uninstalled.
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 155 fps, back 135 fps;
Post alt-tabbing: forward 155, back 135 fps;
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and the dxdiag you were asking for
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I need to know the exact game configuration (Video Settings, Options->Graphic Detail, and Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced) and any options that are being forced via the ATI driver.
I already thought about that, so I've been doing a bit of screen printing and photoshopping! ;) Here you are:
CCC Settings:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCStandard.jpg) (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAF.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAA.jpg) (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAAMode.jpg)
AH Settings:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/AHSettings.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/AHSettings2.jpg)
Keep in mind that, when I made the testing, the Disable Vsync box was checked. After taking the screenshots above, I noticed that I hadn't check the "Enable ground clutter" option in game, so I went through the procedure you told me again: here are the results.
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 48/49 fps, back 37/38 fps;
Post alt-tabbing: forward 49/50 fps, back 38/39 fps.
Actually, could you just email me your "video8.cfg" file?
After that, I would like for you to return all settings back to thier defaults in the game (rename the "video8.cfg" file) AND in the video card driver. Then try the above test again.
If you still need it, I'll do this procedure, too.
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I did a sortie online without changing any settings, we had about 20 people around the airfield
my fps went from ~50's right next to the field with a few hangars smoking, to ~170 when looking to the sky. AA is off of course.
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CCC Settings:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCStandard.jpg) (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAF.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAA.jpg) (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/CCCAAMode.jpg)
AH Settings:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/AHSettings.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/AHSettings2.jpg)
AH Settings:
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg32/gianlupo/AHSettings.jpg)
Gian,
setting the Shadow Texture Size to 8192 , will seriously put a performance hit on your VC and computer
I use the 4096 for shadow texture size
if I recall what Skuzzy has previously posted
at 4096 per texture uses something like 64 MB each................ while setting it to 8192 each texture uses something like 256 MB per texture
I too can run my PC with the 8192 setting ( and 2048 in the login clipboard video settings ) and run around 38 to 48 fps ....... on my 6950 2 GB video ram GDDR5 videocard.....
edit: and that is with all boxes checked including "smooth shadow" and "Enable Ground Clutter " with al Disable checkboxes unchecked
just saying....
hope this helps
TC
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Change the AA mode setting in CCC to Performance instead of Quality and turn your terrain view distance slider down to the middle position. Also, as TC mentioned, turn down shadow texture.
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I too can run my PC with the 8192 setting ( and 2048 in the login clipboard video settings ) and run around 38 to 48 fps ....... on my 6950 2 GB video ram GDDR5 videocard.....
edit: and that is with all boxes checked including "smooth shadow" and "Enable Ground Clutter " with al Disable checkboxes unchecked
TC, if I didn't misinterpret the above, that's exactly what is bothering me... you can run the game with a 6950, with the 8 MB shadow texture, all boxes checked and you have the same framerate I have with a 7970, which is a faster GPU with an additional GB of VRAM... it just doesn't sound right to me.
Then again, maybe it's just a matter of how the game processes the graphics (it would seem that different GPUs don't make a big difference - with same CPU, you and I have similar fps -), I don't know; I just feel that, with the configuration I have, I should be able to run AH with everything maxed out and a steady 60 fps with Vsync on.
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I would like you to remove the "video8.cfg" file in the games "settings" folder, then revert the ATI drivers back to its defaults and try the test again and report those results.
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I'll try that as soon as I get home, Skuzzy! :salute
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Ok, done exactly what you asked, Skuzzy, and here are the results!
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 89/90 fps, back 73/74;
post alt-tabbing: forward 88/89 fps, back 72/73.
Do you think that, if I mess around again with CCC I'll go back to before? Or should it be safe, now?
Btw, thanks, now I'm satisfied! ;)
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Gian,
so you are back to the 12.1 drivers right now? and are using all default settings in CCC ? ( which means for the most part is that everything is set to "use application settings" for most everything )
this is how I am reading your above post
also, are you using the 8192 or the 4096 shadow textures with the above results? edit: and those are with vsync disabled, correct?
<S>
TC
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Ok, done exactly what you asked, Skuzzy, and here are the results!
Pre alt-tabbing: forward 89/90 fps, back 73/74;
post alt-tabbing: forward 88/89 fps, back 72/73.
Do you think that, if I mess around again with CCC I'll go back to before? Or should it be safe, now?
Btw, thanks, now I'm satisfied! ;)
That is with the "video8.cfg" file removed?
That is just wrong. I am getting better frame rates on an old 7900GT video card. My lowly ATI 4850, at home, gets nearly 200FPS in this test. You should be getting hundreds of frames a second with the default settings for the game and the video card.
Something is seriously wrong here. Are you running the debug DirectX installation?
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My lowly ATI 4850, at home, gets nearly 200FPS in this test.
in 1080 res?
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That is with the "video8.cfg" file removed?
That is just wrong. I am getting better frame rates on an old 7900GT video card. My lowly ATI 4850, at home, gets nearly 200FPS in this test. You should be getting hundreds of frames a second with the default settings for the game and the video card.
Something is seriously wrong here. Are you running the debug DirectX installation?
Wait, the results are with the Catalyst default settings, I put AH settings as they were in the picture I posted before, plus the "enable ground clutter" checked. Right after removing the video8.cfg file and resetting the CCC, my fps were in the thousands, IIRC.
I went online, before, all maxed out, in LateMA, Baltic map, about 200 people, ping was 180/200, Vsync enabled and I got a stable 59/60.
TC, I didn't reinstall 12.1, just reset the CCC options to default.
EDIT: Sorry, Skuzzy, this time it's really my fault, I didn't read well! :P
Oh, btw, testing was done with 2.27.3, while online, obviously, I played with 2.27.4.
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after seeing this
Patch is great for me but I've been having two issues that I've just tried to avoid to keep the issues down.
1- I get hella lag when I am close to a smoke plume. So for example, if I chase someone down onto a base and ...lets say the VH is down and smoking. I get a lag pause when I get near the plume. Its not drastic but its not something you can chase someone through a guns solution with (I've been trying to set myself up to not chase through solutions around smoke).
2- When I use a whirblewind even with tracers off I get laggy when Im spraying and praying (i've been just using osties).
Anyone have any ideas on what I could change to impact those problems?
I ran a quick test..
same default settings, I spawn a whirle north at A1 and stabilize at 135fps
I fire and keep the trigger on until it stabilizes, 100fps
dunno if that means anything tho.
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in 1080 res?
1600x1200 (slightly less pixel count)
I get:
230FPS front
215FPS rear
Ok Gian, the problem seems to lie with forcing the highest quality AA mode. I'd like to see what the frame rates are using each notch of the AA mode, from performance to highest quality.
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Ok Gian, the problem seems to lie with forcing the highest quality AA mode. I'd like to see what the frame rates are using each notch of the AA mode, from performance to highest quality.
Change the AA mode setting in CCC to Performance instead of Quality ...
:D
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What I would like to find is the breaking point. What is making the most impact.
We know AA settings will have the greatest impact, but we do not know at what point and in what combination it becomes tought to keep the game playable.
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After all these tests smoke seems to have a really bad effect on my FPS, I don't remember suffering from it prior to patch 3. Is the patch 2 version of the game still available for download?
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After all these tests smoke seems to have a really bad effect on my FPS, I don't remember suffering from it prior to patch 3. Is the patch 2 version of the game still available for download?
No, and none of the particle effects were altered for any of the patches.
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Ok I guess my pc just sucks, and that I need a core i7 and a 7970 to run the game smooth at default settings in the MA.
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Ok I guess my pc just sucks, and that I need a core i7 and a 7970 to run the game smooth at default settings in the MA.
Never said that. My system, at home, is not state of the art (E8500 with an ATI4850) and has no troubles running the game smoothly at the default settings. If I recall, you have a 6850 video card. It should run the game (at reasonable resolutions, not 3 screens), with the default settings, and little to no AA, just fine.
A lot of my performance comes from running a very clean system. No anti-xxxx software, no software firewall, no Apple software, and so on. I also do not run the ATI Catalyst Control Center, which gives my system an instant 10 to 15 percent boost in performance over those who run it.
I run all my driver settings at defaults. I could probably turn on some of the advanced options, but I prefer smooth game play over eye candy.
Did my performance drop when we released 2.27? Yes, it did. About a 10% drop. That was expected.
The biggest single misunderstanding people have is the graphics of the game. People like to compare Aces High to games with a 1 or 2 mile (if that) view distance. Aces High draws everything (you see on the screen) in a 17 mile radius from your point in the world. The number of polys drawn is significant, as compared to those games with short view distances. It takes a lot more video processing power to digest that many polys.
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Never said that. My system, at home, is not state of the art (E8500 with an ATI4850) and has no troubles running the game smoothly at the default settings. If I recall, you have a 6850 video card. It should run the game, with the default settings, and little to no AA, just fine.
I have a 6870 with a 10% stock clock increase. Did you try getting online at prime time with your system? You may have surprises
A lot of my performance comes from running a very clean system. No anti-xxxx software, no software firewall, no Apple software, and so on. I also do not run the ATI Catalyst Control Center, which gives my system an instant 10 to 15 percent boost in performance over those who run it.
same here but I run win7, less than 50 processes
I run all my driver settings at defaults. I could probably turn on some of the advanced options, but I prefer smooth game play over eye candy.
driver settings are application controlled, except mipmap that is maxed, but doesn't impacts much anyway
Did my performance drop when we released 2.27? Yes, it did. About a 10% drop. That was expected.
wait does that mean that even if I disable all the bump maps I will get a 10% hit?
The biggest single misunderstanding people have is the graphics of the game. People like to compare Aces High to games with a 1 or 2 mile (if that) view distance. Aces High draws everything in a 17 mile radius from your point in the world. The number of polys drawn is significant, as compared to those games with short view distances. It takes a lot more video processing power to digest that many polys.
maybe, but even when I had a radeon 5770 I played with all distances maxed! Now I upgraded the video, and got 4gb of extra RAM, clocked at 1600 instead of 1333, and the performance is worst? I don't buy it. Or maybe as you said before regardless of the graphic options the game is 10% heavier.
Also I tried going online with the default settings that my computer chews offline, and same thing the gaming experience in big fights was pretty bad. I'm like you I prefer smoothness over graphics, but now I can't even achieve that!
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Yes, performance dropped a bit for 2.27.
Why your 6870 cannot run the game smoothly at default driver and game settings does not make sense to me. In a crowd, my 4850 drops to around 80 to 100 FPS.
Your system is unique in all the systems I can find using a 6870. No one else has any complaints about performance, using a 6870 card. Your system RAM performance is irrelevant. The video RAM is more important. Not the amount, but the speed of it.
If you still have that 5870, it would be interesting to see what it does now as compared to the 6870.
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it was a 5770, which is a pretty low range videocard, and I gave it to a friend so I don't have it anymore. I will install ati tray tools to check my settings then uninstall it, and check my vram speeds. I will also run aces high on an alienware x11 and a custom computer equipped with an E8500 and a radeon 5870 and see what happens...
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What I would like to find is the breaking point. What is making the most impact.
We know AA settings will have the greatest impact, but we do not know at what point and in what combination it becomes tought to keep the game playable.
I got that, my comment wasn't directed at you. I think a lot of players using CCC just set the first AA slider and ignore the AA performance/quality slider. I expect Gianlupo can double his frame rate.
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if i unstall my CCC then how do i get any of the function from my card? with just bare bones windows drivers will i really be able to maximize the use of the card? will the applications auto adjust the settings when required?
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if i unstall my CCC then how do i get any of the function from my card? with just bare bones windows drivers will i really be able to maximize the use of the card? will the applications auto adjust the settings when required?
Catalyst Control Center is separate from the ATI drivers. You do not have to install it if you just download the base drivers from ATI.
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if i unstall my CCC then how do i get any of the function from my card? with just bare bones windows drivers will i really be able to maximize the use of the card? will the applications auto adjust the settings when required?
You can use a utility like Ati tray tools.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733
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IS it normal that the game doesn't exploit the GPU at 100%? I was monitoring GPU activity, and it topped around 75% online
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IS it normal that the game doesn't exploit the GPU at 100%? I was monitoring GPU activity, and it topped around 75% online
We have no direct control of that. That is up to DirectX and the video card driver.
That said, the game has a lot to do aside from graphics, which is all done on the CPU side. I would say if a game can use 100% of a GPU it is doing little else on the CPU side.
On the other hand, I have no idea what "exploit the GPU" actually means.
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I have no idea either, I was just displaying that indicator in an ati tray tools overlay in an attempt to find something wrong with my computer.
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Without knowing how they derive that value, it makes it difficult to assess any real weight to it.
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Ok Gian, the problem seems to lie with forcing the highest quality AA mode. I'd like to see what the frame rates are using each notch of the AA mode, from performance to highest quality.
Skuzzy, I didn't forget about this, I just need some quiet time to make the test. Just to be on the safe side, could you write me down the exact procedure you want me to follow (AH and CCC initial settings and following steps)? Thanks!
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Trying to keep it simple.
Using the game defaults for everything, simply kick the AA mode slider in the ATI CCC once notch at a time and repeat the ndisles test.
Do the same for each of the "Bump Mapping options" in the game and then for each shadow option.
Appreciate anything you can do Gian <S>.
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Rgr that Skuzzy, thanks.
I'll probably do the testing in the weekend.
<<S>> to you, customer care has always been a strong point for HTC. :)
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I second that, thank you for the support, I know I can be a pain sometimes :P
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I don't know if this is relevant but I'll mention it anyway. The last image in Gianlupo's post looks like what CCC used to call "Adaptive Antialiasing". In my version of CCC it refers solely to antialiasing the interior of textures, like the metal fence shown, not the edges of polygons, and it murders frame rate. AH used to have a chain link fence that was pretty much the only texture that improved with the use of "Adaptive Antialiasing" but that is long gone. Now I don't have the latest CCC so maybe they now combine texture AA with polygon edge AA; I don't know.
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I don't know if this is relevant but I'll mention it anyway. The last image in Gianlupo's post looks like what CCC used to call "Adaptive Antialiasing". In my version of CCC it refers solely to antialiasing the interior of textures, like the metal fence shown, not the edges of polygons, and it murders frame rate. AH used to have a chain link fence that was pretty much the only texture that improved with the use of "Adaptive Antialiasing" but that is long gone. Now I don't have the latest CCC so maybe they now combine texture AA with polygon edge AA; I don't know.
There are currently two places to adjust AA in Catalyst. You can set the level of AA, the filter ( box, edge detect etc), and check the box for morphological filtering, on the first AA setting in CCC. Adaptive multi-sample AA is the middle position of the AA mode setting, which is the second place to adjust AA in the current CCC. Setting the filter above "box" or setting the mode above "performance", which is multi-sample AA, will reduce your frame rate without giving you a noticeable difference in picture quality in Aces High.
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I had a huge framerate hit with the new patch. (running in the low 20s). Read through this thread and made the following changes:
Opened CCC and set everything to "Use game settings" with Tripple buffering on.
In the AH video setting screen, I set the AA to one click from the left.
Frame rate pegged at Screen refresh rate. (60 fps)
Turned on self shadows to 8192. (frame rate 59!)
As always:
Bump map off
1024 textures.
Ground clutter disabled during flight.
Water reflections on
Visual range 3 miles.
Object detail Maxed.
So even though I tried to optimize the CCC setting myself, something in there was not efficiently using resources. Letting the game pick it was huge help for me. Of course I have no idea why, but I'm greatfull for the advice Skuzzy. :salute
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DO NOT force triple buffering. The game already does triple buffering. You can get some funky things going on if you force that on.
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DO NOT force triple buffering. The game already does triple buffering. You can get some funky things going on if you force that on.
I did not mean to imply that you told me to do that. I just had it on. I will turn it off, per your advice. :salute
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DO NOT force triple buffering. The game already does triple buffering. You can get some funky things going on if you force that on.
Thanks Skuzzy will try NVIDIA AH2 defaults with tri buffering off.
INFIDEL
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These are examples of today. With full detail and without. Catalyst is disabled
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7712/ahss151.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/ahss151.jpg/)
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7946/ahss161.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/ahss161.jpg/)
(http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/3579/ahss15.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/816/ahss15.jpg/)
That does not slow fun
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Time of this report: 2/13/2012, 01:18:26
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Wow, I really need to update my system.. I rarely see frps above 57.. If it keeps at 25 during gameplay I am usually satisfied, only extra grapchics checked is the advanced terrain... :noid
If I turn everything on my frps is 7 at its best.. So, totally useless.. :rofl
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DO NOT force triple buffering. The game already does triple buffering. You can get some funky things going on if you force that on.
Skuzzy. You have provided some great info here. Is there any way that you can update Waffles video settings or make your own and add it to the top of this technical support forum as a sticky. Some of the advice is outdated and with all of the recent patches, new vid cards and Intel chips, it might help others as well to have it in one place.
If you have already done so then my apologies for missing it.
Much appreciated.
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I am looking to doa cross matrix of testing with all the options so everyone can get an idea where they stand. Stay tuned.
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I am looking to doa cross matrix of testing with all the options so everyone can get an idea where they stand. Stay tuned.
Thanks Skuzzy for the quick response and followup.
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I am looking to doa cross matrix of testing with all the options so everyone can get an idea where they stand. Stay tuned.
awesome