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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Grayeagle on March 17, 2012, 12:31:07 PM
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SEBRING, Fla. - Corvette Racing kicked off Corvette's 60th year by posting the quickest lap times in the American Le Mans Series GT class for Saturday's 60th Annual Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring.
..they fast enough.
Now to see if they can make it to the end without mishap.
(Combined ALMS/WEC Top 10):
Pos./Car No./Drivers/Car/Time
1. 51 Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander, Ferrari 458 Italia, 1:58.427
2. 59 Makowiecki/Melo/Vernay, Ferrari 458 Italia, 1:58.723
3. 03 Magnussen/Garcia/Taylor, Corvette C6.R, 1:58.996
4. 4 Gavin/Magnussen/Westbrook, Corvette C6.R, 1:59.007
5. 71 Bertolini/Beretta/Cioci, Ferrari 458 Italia, 1:59.084
6. 56 Muller/Hand/Summerton BMW E92 M3, 2:00.027
7. 01 Sharp/van Overbeek/Cosmo, Ferrari F458 Italia, 2:00.084
8. 45 Bergmeister/Long/Holzer, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:00.119
9. 97 Mucke/Fernandez/Turner, Aston Martin Vantage V8, 2:00.174
10. 77 Lietz/Lieb/Pilet, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:00.256
Just sayin (tm Pasha)
-Frank aka GE
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Just about a perfect way to relax after waxin the Vette..
..watchin ESPN3 live stream when the Porsche decides to run off the track to get out of Mr. Gavin's way in his Corvette :)
They are takin it to 'em today.
The GT3 Vettes are havin a good day mixin it up with the Ferrari's and Porsche's ..Aston Martins are even runnin well.
-Frank aka GE
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Vette's have had great success in racing, I don't know why you'd think otherwise. When I worked security for Johnson Controls, Paul Gentilozzi was their driver in SCCA (Vettes) and went on to become a great champion of the sport. The conversations we had were epic and even then, he had his eyes dead set on being an owner.
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They use leaf springs and are made of plastic. They don't compare to European designed sports cars. Just ask Jeremy Clarkson...
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They use leaf springs and are made of plastic. They don't compare to European designed sports cars. Just ask Jeremy Clarkson...
He praised the ZR-1 after he drove it in the US and at Bonneville.
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Audi will win this one.
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He praised the ZR-1 after he drove it in the US and at Bonneville.
yes, but when he got it on his home track he said he hated it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0 about the 4:30mark he starts talking about the zr1
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yes, but when he got it on his home track he said he hated it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0 about the 4:30mark he starts talking about the zr1
No car is perfect. Different strokes for different folks.
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GT3? I thought they used to be GT1 (all alone with no real competition) a couple of years ago, so they downgraded to GT2 to brawl it out.
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Audi will win this one.
Audi won that one.
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GT3? I thought they used to be GT1 (all alone with no real competition) a couple of years ago, so they downgraded to GT2 to brawl it out.
GT2 became simply "GT" as the old GT1 rule set went away.
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They use leaf springs and are made of plastic. They don't compare to European designed sports cars. Just ask Jeremy Clarkson...
Don't forget the pushrod motors, straight 1950's technology. If only they would come with a club-holder, they'd be the perfect Neanderthal ride.
/sarcasm
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I read they got outta GT1 because Audi and Ferrari got so tired of bein beat down they quit comin to the races.
So .. Vette put a smaller motor in and went after GT3 -evil grin-
.. now they are workin the cars to match the smaller motor.
They put up a good fight, was some great racin :)
Even the Ferrari's looked awesome.
-Frank aka GE
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wow, racing an Aston Martin... that would be one expensive wreck if something goes wrong...
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I read they got outta GT1 because Audi and Ferrari got so tired of bein beat down they quit comin to the races.
GT1 saw Corvette face off against Viper, Porsche, Ferrari, Ford (Ford GT), Maserati, and Aston Martin over the years. The Oreca Viper dominated the Vettes for the first few years, til the Corvette C5R was fully developed, then Oreca dropped the Viper and went to prototypes after the Corvette got to the point it was waxxing the Viper almost every race. The ProDrive Ferrari team, then later the ProDrive Aston team, were very stiff competition, beating the C6R Corvettes at Sebring and the Petit at RA a few years. Porsche, Maserati and Ford were never much but filler for the grid in GT1, usually only getting on TV as the Vettes lapped them.
So .. Vette put a smaller motor in and went after GT3 -evil grin-
GT2, which was renamed just 'GT' - there never was a GT3 in ALMS. Only FIA in Europe.
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bit off topic, but doesn't a corvette have the fastest 0-60 time?
Lingenfelter if i remember right...
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bit off topic, but doesn't a corvette have the fastest 0-60 time?
Lingenfelter if i remember right...
The corvette is in the mid 3's right? Wiki said 3.8
I believe the arial atom is in the high 2's. Wiki said 2.8
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The ProDrive Ferrari team, then later the ProDrive Aston team, were very stiff competition, beating the C6R Corvettes at Sebring and the Petit at RA a few years.
Prodrive are based about 20m north of me. their 550 maranello is one of my fav racing cars, a pretty crazy idea and they made it work very well. incredible sound, almost like an old F1 car. :rock
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The corvette is in the mid 3's right? Wiki said 3.8
I believe the arial atom is in the high 2's. Wiki said 2.8
Lingenfelter had a 1.6...
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Lingenfelter had a 1.6...
Oh ok thats not stock I thought you meant stock nevermind. I didnt know what Lingenfelter was haha.
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Nissan GT-R does it in 1.9 seconds on the OEM tires....not even R compound tires like the Viper ACR used.
Those tires last about 2100 miles on the street.
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Nissan GT-R does it in 1.9 seconds on the OEM tires....not even R compound tires like the Viper ACR used.
Those tires last about 2100 miles on the street.
2.9 sec 0-60 for the GT-R, according to Nissan, MotorTrend, etc.
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Whoops....not sure why I posted 1.9 seconds.
I've got a ligenfelter 1000hp package twin turbo vette at the shop which never made even close to the HP advertised.
We got 1200hp at the wheels after doing the job properly and it still won't come near a 1.6 second 0 to 60 time.
I would assume any ligenfelter capable of a 0 to 60 of 1.6 would be useless anywhere but the drag strip.
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1.6 sounds a lot like 60 foot times for a very quick drag car.
For comparison, my 440 powered, 3020lb Duster on 13" x 31" slicks would post right at 2.0 60 foot times.
That was with zero tire spin off the line, 8" converter flashin to 4700 rpm thru 4.89 gears.
There weren't many cars with license plates that could stay with it in first gear.
There *was* a small block powered '69 Camaro useda leave quicker on me during time trials..
..he was runnin 5.38's in the back, same size slicks, same weight, about a second faster thru the 1/4.
Was a trailer car ..no license plates, etc. Was a sweet soundin 8k rpm motor :)
-Frank aka GE
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Whoops....not sure why I posted 1.9 seconds.
I've got a ligenfelter 1000hp package twin turbo vette at the shop which never made even close to the HP advertised.
We got 1200hp at the wheels after doing the job properly and it still won't come near a 1.6 second 0 to 60 time.
I would assume any ligenfelter capable of a 0 to 60 of 1.6 would be useless anywhere but the drag strip.
I'm always amazed at how yall fix all these well known builders cars so they run right. How did they become so well known and no one had heard of yall. That is even more amazing.
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some companies spend more on marketing than hiring decent engineers would be my guess.
a few years back the Rousch stangs that came over to the UK were ... not quite to spec. it seems about 50 of their horses jumped overboard and drowned in the atlantic on the trip over ... :uhoh
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I'm always amazed at how yall fix all these well known builders cars so they run right. How did they become so well known and no one had heard of yall. That is even more amazing.
We're a relative new shop as compared to ligenfelter but, if you had ever seen thier work, you would know why it's done.
Maybe they use a mustang dyno because our twin retarder dyno dynamics unit always reads correct and we spend the time to calibrate it while most shops would rather thier dyno post optimistic readings.
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lol Mustang dynos can be calibrated fairly close but rarely are.
Whatever dyno you use it is a good idea to always use it for comparison with upgrades. They can swing quite a bit from one to the other.
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On the really high HP cars, we don't use the dyno because the tires either chunk off or melt and get oily.
We test them on very long straightaways.
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lol Mustang dynos can be calibrated fairly close but rarely are.
Whatever dyno you use it is a good idea to always use it for comparison with upgrades. They can swing quite a bit from one to the other.
They normally swing 20-30 horse around here, depending on who's dyno. My guy has one of the lower reading ones in the area.
:salute
BigRat
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at least theres independent dynos to test cars these days, and owners willing to use them. it wasnt that long ago you had to trust the manufacturer for the numbers. up to 1990ish press cars were usually highly tweaked versions of the production models. go further back and the claimed numbers were just made up, the 60s full house AM straight 6 claimed 300bhp and was barely 200 ... :lol
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The late '60's - early '70's were amazin for us gearheads.
Useda get a huge laugh readin Chilton manual's claims for HP.
426 Hemi rated at 425 hp at 4400 rpm .. f'rinstance.
It redlined at 7000rpm and pulled *hard* from 2500rpm on up.
Art Carr (if I remember) stuffed one into an early 60's Dart with an automatic
..would hold a few k rpm and just jam it into 'drive' to launch it.
One of the first 9 second street cars if I recall correctly when he got done with it.
Car Craft or someone ran an article on it.. engine was dyno'd out of the box from Mopar at 680hp, stock,
..only add-on being the dyno shop headers.
Dyno numbers are great for runnin a baseline before you start playin with your toy.
Long as you use the same one, same density altitude, etc ..you can tell what your latest mod actually does.
Always kinda tickles me a bit when someone drops a few hundred bucks
..then the dyno tells 'em they got an extra 10hp right at the redline ..-shakes head-
..just not very cost effective yanno?
I am all about huge gains where I use it the most, ie:
.. supercharging does it from idle all the way up, instantly, soon as you press the pedal.
-evil grin- .. people have said it's like bolting on 150 cubic inches :)
-Frank aka GE
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Yup GE I agree with the spupercharger... and some of the new stuff is nice. Check out the new Roush one it is good for about 100 HP...good stuff.
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I'm a little leery about using any of the centrifugal blowers with a manual transmission because of the shock loading the blower drive gears have to endure.
It's a bit similar to the griffon blower quill shaft failures in unlimited hydroplane racing.
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1.6 sounds a lot like 60 foot times for a very quick drag car.
For comparison, my 440 powered, 3020lb Duster on 13" x 31" slicks would post right at 2.0 60 foot times.
That was with zero tire spin off the line, 8" converter flashin to 4700 rpm thru 4.89 gears.
There weren't many cars with license plates that could stay with it in first gear.
-Frank aka GE
I pulled a 1.78 60' time in my 2002 Z06 on nitto 555r drag radials. Daily driver with bolt ons. went 12.07@116 that pass
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Silverz06:
Yes, technology has changed quite a bit since I ran my Duster (1976-1991) and there are some very quick street cars around these days :)
LACR is where I useda spend most of my racin time .. 3500' alt
.. all the boys from Pomona would come up and run a second slower
.. useda get comments all the time about how my Duster shoulda been faster
.. then I went down to Pomona and ripped a 10.27 best in a day spent tryin to get into the Pro Gas field for that day.
Much better track, air, traction, all that jazz.
It ran like a different car.
Bakersfield Division 7 bracket ET finals I'd run 11.15's all day long.
Shame I did not keep a scrap book of those years, prolly have some time slips stuffed in a box somewhere.
I remember one guy in his 340 Duster kinda laughin a bit,
..he said his car (from Pomona) would run a few tenths quicker than my 440 powered Duster.
Told me it was a waste of time to put a 440 in a Duster if it wasn't gonna go fast.
Then he made his first time trial.
Could not even get into the bracket I was in, he was *bummed* :)
-GE aka Frank
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I remember one guy in his 340 Duster kinda laughin a bit,
..he said his car (from Pomona) would run a few tenths quicker than my 440 powered Duster.
Told me it was a waste of time to put a 440 in a Duster if it wasn't gonna go fast.
Then he made his first time trial.
Could not even get into the bracket I was in, he was *bummed* :)
-GE aka Frank
:rofl Experience is the best medicine.
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Frank....coming from an old Mopar gearhead such as myself......the guy that said the 440
in a Duster was a waste of time....well....how can I put this kindly. I can't I guess. He
just dint know what he was talking about. We old Mopar geeks knew the 440 was more reliable
then the 426 race Hemi. The Hemis was a biatch to keep running right. They flooded easily
and keeping those two Carbs in-line was a bear. Don't get me wrong the sponsored Mopar Crews
that ran 426 race Hemis knew what they were doing. They did a lot of work to keep on top of the Hemi.
In my book the 440 was just as good and easier to work with. <shrugz>
Hajo (aka wayne)
440 rated at 390 HP....Yuk Yuk lol
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Aye Hajo .. I had more 'kodak moments' in that car than I had in most :)
ie:
Guy with arm draped around his girlfriend wanders to the front of the Duster.
I had the 'glas hood resting on the roof, it was at a local cruise, ..so ya .. I was showin it off a bit.
Was just after I had changed over to the tunnel ram an such.
I was a few feet away ..he says to his girl:
'Cool .. a tunnel-rammed 340, man he musta put some work into that motor to run that setup!'
(to be fair, I had '340' emblems on the fenders .. it was at least that many cubes after all -evil grin-)
I walked up alongside, pointed to the distributor:
'Ya ..he even moved the distributor up front, man .. it looks 'factory' even, very cool!'
He nodded sayin 'Ya, you don't see many people go thru that much work, that is cool!'
I had to walk away.
Just could not keep a straight face anymore.
That car was so much fun in so many ways.
-Frank aka GE
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I pulled a 1.9 60 foot time with a 1984 maxima.
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I pulled a 1.9 60 foot time with a 1984 maxima.
L28ET Ftw ;)
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It was a 1984 L24 with L28et turbo bits on it.
They have a head designed with a quench pad which allows you to simply swap on the turbo stuff to that longblock netting a car 2 seconds faster in the quarter at 5 pounds of boost.....on the stock non-turbo injectors.
I do love the L28et and have a few around but I have been eyeing the LD28 I have for turboing and installation into a 240sx though a mercedes OM606 would be more cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RghY0For0Q
Any of you guys driven the vortec inline six from the relatively recent chevy trucks? Seems cool.