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Title: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 10:42:11 AM

with a vengeance. You can thank the folks who don't vaccinate their kids for that. Let's hope noone dies this time.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: VonMessa on April 05, 2012, 10:53:48 AM

Quote from: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 10:42:11 AM

with a vengeance. You can thank the folks who don't vaccinate their kids for that. Let's hope noone dies this time.

You are such a pertussis.

Quit whooping around and get back to flying.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 10:55:23 AM

Quote from: VonMessa on April 05, 2012, 10:53:48 AM

You are such a pertussis.

Quit whooping around and get back to flying.

*ba dum tss*

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: mthrockmor on April 05, 2012, 11:52:23 AM

Did you know that the Center For Disease Control lays out criteria by which people should not be immunized? People that have allergies to poultry, dairy, family history of seizures, etc should NOT be immunized. 95%+ people are safe though there are clearly people that can be harmed by immunizations.

The problem is that for various reasons this information is not widely disseminated. This means that a culture of fear and paranoid concern around immunization has built up, based on elements of truth. Sadly, people who should not be immunized are, and many more who are fine to be immunized are not.

I don't doubt that this whooping cough outbreak is very much related to this culture of fear though the next step of identifying real concerns can only help. Big issue, easy solution, big obstacles to do the most obvious: fully inform the user on do's and don't's.

My two cents.

Boo

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Delirium on April 05, 2012, 01:02:36 PM

No offense, but you need to re-examine your sources, Boo.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: mthrockmor on April 05, 2012, 01:11:24 PM

Actually, I did and fired off a memo citing Fed law, TN statute and CDC report about 4 months ago to a private school in Middle Tennessee that was barring enrollment of a 6-yr old based on failure to immunize. She's happily enrolled now.

Boo

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Delirium on April 05, 2012, 01:22:38 PM

*deleted*

Suffice I say, I disagree.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 02:00:25 PM

I'm confused.  :headscratch: What's the reasoning behind not vaccinating your children?

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 02:01:56 PM

Quote from: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 02:00:25 PM

I'm confused.  :headscratch: What's the reasoning behind not vaccinating your children?

Ignorance.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: ink on April 05, 2012, 03:10:28 PM

Quote from: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 02:00:25 PM

I'm confused.  :headscratch: What's the reasoning behind not vaccinating your children?

the fact that people don't want to put that crap in their kids body....immunizations are the virus itself.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 03:16:43 PM

I went to a homeschool coop for a year.....full of a bunch of folks who didnt vaccinate their kids. Most of them touted how if you're healthy you will never ever get sick. About a month later chickenpox came through the school and folks my age (late teens) now have permanent scars from it. I didn't get it - I got the shot.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Shuffler on April 05, 2012, 03:33:54 PM

Roll the dice... do or don't. Just live with your choices.

Some don't do well with the shots for most anything. Generally folks with weaker systems.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: mthrockmor on April 05, 2012, 04:28:31 PM

Ignorance? Sad statement, I think I get your context.

About ten years ago I had a situation where a seemingly healthy 3-year went and got routine shots. Within less then 24-hours the child was in intensive care at the hospital fighting for their life. Spent a couple weeks in the hospital followed by a long recovery at home. When it was all over the parents insist the child is not the same. It was noted that since the mother had both certain allergies and a history of seizures this child never should have been immunized. Settlement out of court, of course.

Is this the situation for all of America? CDC and medical research shows that immunizations are safe for 98%+. If you are part of the less then 2% at risk, big gamble. I suggest a little homework will go a long way. Since most do not put in the research reading of a homeschool group where no one is immunized is not surprising.

In any case...

Boo

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: kilo2 on April 05, 2012, 05:34:34 PM

I had whooping cough. It sucks.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Tac on April 05, 2012, 05:41:14 PM

Quote from: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 02:00:25 PM

I'm confused.  :headscratch: What's the reasoning behind not vaccinating your children?

Sometimes you cannot.

I for example can not receive Hepatitis nor Mumps/Rubella vaccinations because of allergies to it. One of my cousins cannot be vaccinated against several things because she is allergic to some seafood and apparently that is a big time indicator she would react very badly to the vaccines.

Sadly though, most of the people that go un-vaccinated is due to ignorance or because they are too cheap to pay for them.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Vulcan on April 05, 2012, 05:47:43 PM

Our newborn was almost killed by an vitamin K injection at birth to prevent a problem that <1% of newborns suffer from, the reaction was due to a problem that ~7% of newborns suffer from.

This was then followed up with a TB immunization that has caused a solid lump just under his armpit followed by a serious infection. Upon doing some research this is a common side effect that can develop into something quite nasty.

Immunization needs to be properly assessed, imho those in healthcare regularly fail to do this due to an almost zealot like attitude to immunization.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 05, 2012, 07:52:36 PM

Quote from: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 10:42:11 AM

with a vengeance. You can thank the folks who don't vaccinate their kids for that. Let's hope noone dies this time.

Bah!

The world is getting too crowded anyway

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: USRanger on April 05, 2012, 08:06:46 PM

I've had more immunizations than I can count or remember from being sent overseas to some of the world's worst armpits so many times.  Never had a bad reaction to any of em.  One of the lucky percentage I guess.  I don't think I can even get Martian Monkey Pox.

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Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Rash on April 05, 2012, 08:27:42 PM

It's booster shot being pushed by a drug company.  Think they call it T-something?  Someone trying to create a market, that isn't needed.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Rino on April 05, 2012, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: Shuffler on April 05, 2012, 03:33:54 PM

Roll the dice... do or don't. Just live with your choices.

Some don't do well with the shots for most anything. Generally folks with weaker systems.

     Not sure I buy that, I'm required to have flu vacs<annually> and pneumonia vacs<every 5 years> because of kidney failure,
the reason the doctors use is my weaker system  :aok

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 09:57:03 PM

Quote from: Vulcan on April 05, 2012, 05:47:43 PM

Our newborn was almost killed by an vitamin K injection at birth to prevent a problem that <1% of newborns suffer from, the reaction was due to a problem that ~7% of newborns suffer from.

This was then followed up with a TB immunization that has caused a solid lump just under his armpit followed by a serious infection. Upon doing some research this is a common side effect that can develop into something quite nasty.

Immunization needs to be properly assessed, imho those in healthcare regularly fail to do this due to an almost zealot like attitude to immunization.

Is a lump on the armpit worth a TB free life? I never plan on having kids so my perspective might be a little different, but if it was my decision immunization would be mandatory. For me the public safety aspect outweighs your personal freedom. I don't want to get TB, or smallpox because some hippie doesn't want to put chemicals into their
 kids body. It sucks that some kids don't react well to immunizations, but think how they would react to the smallpox virus.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: wil3ur on April 05, 2012, 11:57:47 PM

So last year we had out insurer come into the office and offer pig flu vaccines to everyone.  I declined, with a few others.  It was really weird in a week, the people who didn't get the mercury barium Mono sodiumglutamate shot were the only ones at work for 5 days while everyone else was sicker than they'd been in months.  (Then you read the news and find out that vaccine was worse than the virus they were hoping to combat... and that the virus itself was a leaked bioweapon from a US lab and think OMG?!?!)

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: VonMessa on April 06, 2012, 09:16:41 AM

Some things are worth vaccinating against.

I would go with MMR and Polio off the top of my head.

Some are not.  I'll go with chicken pox and influenza.  Don't want scars from chicken pox?  Don't scratch them.  Don't want the flu?  Practice good hygiene and you are less likely to catch it, especially if you have a decent immune system.

For the most part though (barring immune deficiencies issues), the best way for the human immune system to become stronger is PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.  Children are supposed to get sick (within reason).  It makes them healthier adults.

Honestly, the whole "anti-bacterial" craze, is humorous to me.  Sure, proper hand-washing is the easiest way to combat the spread of most germs.  So is keeping your hands out of your mouth and nose, covering your mouth when you cough/sneeze, things that we are all taught as kids (most of us, anyhow), but I can't keep myself from chuckling when I go to the grocery store and see the "handle wipes" for the cart and the gallon pump-jug of hand sanitizer.  When I go out in public and touch doorknobs/shopping carts/etc, I wash my hands before I eat or touch my face.  It is common sense.

By the same token, when I go to the nursing home to visit my grandfather, I can see the need for the hand-sanitizer stations strategically placed throughout the building, starting as soon as you  walk in the door.  I see a lot of folks use them on the way out "because of the germs", but in actuality, they are supposed to be for when you come in.  It makes sense as I am entering a building full of elderly folks that are more likely to have a compromised immune system in their advanced age.  They are more likely to become ill from something that I bring in with me than I am by catching something while I am there.

Now at hospitals, I use them on the way in for courtesy and on the way out because hospitals, by nature, are full of germs.

I think the tendency to vaccinate for everything under the sun and to do it all at once is a bit extreme.  I also think that it is not the best idea for children that are still developing.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Babalonian on April 06, 2012, 12:56:07 PM

Quote from: Tupac on April 05, 2012, 10:42:11 AM

with a vengeance. You can thank the folks who don't vaccinate their kids for that. Let's hope noone dies this time.

It's BACK!?!?!?!  :huh  :confused:  :cry  :uhoh  :eek:

WHEN THE HECK DID IT LEAVE!?  :furious  :bhead

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: Paladin3 on April 11, 2012, 02:44:33 PM

I went to the doc over what I thought was whooping cough. I have been vaccinated against it... Apparently in my region the vaccine was of a type that actually expires  :bhead I asked her if she was serious, thinkin' she was joshin' me. Nope, honest to goodness. Ha!

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: kilo2 on April 11, 2012, 03:17:31 PM

I never got vaccinated for it because you had to request it. When I got it my first thought was thinking whooping cough was gone. It was not fun and I had to keep away from everyone in my family as much as possible.

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: curry1 on April 11, 2012, 03:29:33 PM

Quote from: sunfan1121 on April 05, 2012, 09:57:03 PM

public safety aspect outweighs your personal freedom

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength.

(http://jimcofer.com/personal/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/big-brother.jpg)

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: mthrockmor on April 11, 2012, 08:38:49 PM

Amen to both Von Messa and Curry.

One note to Sunsfan. I respect where you are coming from though there is a bit of safety in your words. You feel that public safety merits immunizing everyone. If immunizations worked as advertised then the only people at risk are those who are not. In theory, all of these people would die from something, you would live. You are not at risk in any way.

Now, if you want to take it the next step, which is you get to decide how to raise another persons child, that is a completely different discussion. I know a strong, centralized government that is omnipotent feels compelled to raise everyones child. My two girls are just fine.

Boo

Title: Re: Whooping cough is back
Post by: wil3ur on April 11, 2012, 10:28:53 PM

Quote from: curry1 on April 11, 2012, 03:29:33 PM

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength.

(http://jimcofer.com/personal/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/big-brother.jpg)

+1   :aok