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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Dover on April 05, 2012, 11:06:34 AM
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this is a tactic that was used by the japs often why do we not have the option of loading up a zero or d3 with a bunch of comp b or what not and diving into a carrier
now one would not take out a carrier but say you carry 3000 lbs of exsplosive so it would take 3 guys doing this for it to happen
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we have lancaster dive bombers,what more do you want :rolleyes:
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Waystin!
Get in here, please !!!
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seriously i can't be the only person who would happily up this to take down a carrier thats just off the base im trying to defend
how could this be a bad idea
please let me know a stupid face pic doesn't say a whole lot
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how could this be a bad idea
:huh
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IMO, add it but as an arena option. That way, we could use it for FSO and scenarios, where everything is more organized and last ditch attempts can be made. Kamikaze events could also be quite fun if planned right.
But of course, turn it off in the MA.
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no thanks, enough suicide in the MA already.
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I will say YES to the Pe-8. :D While it's numbers were highly limited and it's use low, it does make for a better wish. :x
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If it were done it would need to be only certain Japanese planes. Since it fit with the warrior culture and ethos of the Japanese I'm sure almost every Japanese plane had a story of being used in this manner. Some research should be done to see which planes were used by these specific units for Kamakazi missions. My guess it would only be fighters, no Vals, Kates or Betty's. And just from memory (subject to being very wrong) all I remember reading about was one 500kg bomb.
Certainly a plus for scenarios, maybe for MA. What would be fun for scenarios, down the road would be the Japanese Cherry Blossom suicide rocket. Tail end was a rocket, front end was the Japanese Long Lance torpedo, small wings limited range. Carried below Betty and Sally Bombers. Had to get within 10 miles, I think.
Imagine a scenario where a bomber pilot drops this, bomber disappears and the pilots shifts to the rocket cockpit. It would require a real coordinated BARCAP to get the bombers before the released, and high F4UCs to dive in as last ditch effort to get the Cherry Blossoms as they tried to make it through ack.
Could add to scenario, maybe even MA.
Boo
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Kamikaze aircraft were essentially pilot-guided explosive missiles, purpose-built or converted from conventional aircraft, without the ability to deliver torpedoes or bombs or attack other aircraft, or even to land. Pilots would attempt to crash their aircraft into enemy ships in what was called a "Body Attack" (体当たり; 体当り, taiatari) in planes laden with some combination of explosives, bombs, torpedoes and full fuel tanks; accuracy was much better than a conventional attack, and the payload larger. A kamikaze could sustain damage which would disable a conventional attacker and still achieve its objective. The goal of crippling or destroying large numbers of Allied ships, particularly aircraft carriers, was considered to justify sacrificing pilots and aircraft
Nazi Germany formed its own group of suicide aircraft pilots called the Leonidas Squadron, but the German commanders were more reluctant to use them.
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I think these are slated for addition right after poison gas and nuclear weapons.
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fyi, Japanese players have specifically posted in opposition to kamikaze requests in the past.
Also, we don't want carriers to be more vulnerable than they already are. Carriers off of a base mean there is a fight. You are asking to be able to end that fight even faster.
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Thanks Reaper.......you made my soda fly out my nose :rofl :rofl
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I think someone has been watching TV.
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Using "Japs"= poor taste.
Your wish=NOPE :aok
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ok i'll admit not that best idea i just thought it might be fun but your made good points
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
What if it required 150 perks in all 3 catagories, then zeroed them all after spawning the ride of choice?
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hitech
if it was a guaranteeing that a direct hit would sink the cv and the situation was bad enough at the base i might do it but im one of a very few who would
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
Great idea.... impliment it immediately... after all... it is what the folks THINK they want. :D
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
...Maybe force a name change at that point? They're dead now right?
Wiley.
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hitech
if it was a guaranteeing that a direct hit would sink the cv and the situation was bad enough at the base i might do it but im one of a very few who would
Why? A single hit didn't always sink a carrier in real life - and isn't that what you're looking for..."because it happened in real life it should happen here too"?
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By the way the Luftwaffe group you eluded to weren't kamakazi pilots, they would use their fighters as flying ams and attempt to use the prop as a giant saw blade to take off crutial flying surfaces of american bombers. Because of the lack of trained pilots, this act was not considered a suicide attack, although it was often deadly to the bomber and fighter; the pilot would simply bail out after ramming from the rear or sides of the bomber, to hit the flying surfaces of the bomber and minimize the impact loading on the fighter pilot. Since he was already over german territory, he could get a ride back to base and do it again.
Make sure you know and convey exactly what your talking about to avoid the poster's ack.
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
Add a third category to all planes "Kamikaze" count all the explosives that the plane is carrying in bombs, and then add 1 pound of explosives for each pound of gas the plane is carrying. Zero all the perks. You can only do it once a month.
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hitech
if it was a guaranteeing that a direct hit would sink the cv and the situation was bad enough at the base i might do it but im one of a very few who would
this is probably because you don't have any perk points to lose.. like imadot suggested, how about if it COST 150 perks from each category?
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Also if you get shot down before you get to the target, too bad so sad. Unless you make it back to concrete you lose all your perks.
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I think it would be very poor taste to add any "suicide weapons" to this game.
They were desperate measures, used by desperate peoples, during a desperate time.
IMHO they do not need any glorification nor acceptance in the fantasy world or in real life.
"Kamikaze is a surprise attack, according to our ancient war tactics. Surprise attacks will be successful the first time, maybe two or three times. But what fool would continue the same attacks for ten months? Emperor Hirohito must have realized it. He should have said 'Stop.'
"As for kamikaze attacks, those who ordered and encouraged them, those in commanding positions, lied. Every pilot volunteered for a kamikaze unit? 'I go! I go! I go!' -- did everyone say that? That's a lie!
"Even now, many faces of my students come up when I close my eyes. So many students are gone. Why did headquarters continue such silly attacks for ten months! Fools! Genda, [Minoru Genda, the Navy strategist] who went to America -- all those men lied that all men volunteered for kamikaze units. They lied.
"That's why Americans think we are strange. Where are the people who will volunteer to die? No one wants to die. But if a pilot was ordered, we were all military men. We would go. I went, too.* The Japanese Army lost 2,500 men. The Japanese Navy lost 2,500 men. They all died, while being disappointed."
"But let me tell you, all that stuff you read about "dying for the emperor ... Banzai!" that's all crap. There wasn't one kamikaze pilot or soldier out there who was thinking anything about the emperor when they were facing death. They were thinking about their mother and their family, just like anybody else. The reason those final letters home that they wrote are so filled with emperor glorification stuff is because they knew the censors would read them, and because they simply wanted to try to make their parents proud."
Saburo Sakai, Imperial Navy ace, 64 confirmed kills:
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you already have lancstukas and people auguring after taking out a tagret as mentioned before this is just a way to try and give those that do that an out. Yes, kamikaze's happened no I dont think it should be added as it would completely get out of hand as you dont really die.Think of all those that will start asking to be able to up a 190 and ram a 17 if this gets added.
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no thanks, enough suicide in the MA already.
yep
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this is a tactic that was used by the japs often why do we not have the option of loading up a zero or d3 with a bunch of comp b or what not and diving into a carrier. now one would not take out a carrier but say you carry 3000 lbs of exsplosive so it would take 3 guys doing this for it to happen
Would make the 5" guns a lot more popular I bet !
The kamakizii attack was NOT something taken lightly and DID involve PERSONAL HONOR ... I'd say include it in the Late War Arena, but Perk it at 100% of the pilots fighter perks ... with maybe a MINIMUM of 100 points required. Not only would this simulate the serious nature of the choice, it would prevent any repeats by the same pilot against the same target. I'd say at least 3 successful attacks should be required for a carrier sinking.
:rock
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this is a tactic that was used by the japs often why do we not have the option of loading up a zero or d3 with a bunch of comp b or what not and diving into a carrier
now one would not take out a carrier but say you carry 3000 lbs of exsplosive so it would take 3 guys doing this for it to happen
Field mod... no way :neener:
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Hmm what if it zeroed perk points in all 3 categories.
I see potential here
It could herald every name change from here on out.
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we have lancaster dive bombers,what more do you want :rolleyes:
Amen!!! -15
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we have lancaster dive bombers,what more do you want :rolleyes:
Maybe we could combine the two ... Dive Bomb with your lancs and you automatically Kamimazii ... ??? I LIKE IT !!!
:x
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Love it love it love it.
It's awesome chasing suicide jabos to bases already !
Just one thing though, you can only Kamikazee once then your account is closed.
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Love it love it love it.
It's awesome chasing suicide jabos to bases already !
Just one thing though, you can only Kamikazee once then your account is closed.
And you have to restart an account with another $14.95.
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Here's what you do:
Up a Zero w/ your 250KG bomb on the bottom and 50KG on the wings. Fly over your target and dive in at full throttle at a 90 degree angle. Drop your bombs at 1000FT and follow them in.
It'll look like you Kamakazied! (You can do this with almost any plane!)
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Here's what you do:
Up a Zero w/ your 250KG bomb on the bottom and 50KG on the wings. Fly over your target and dive in at full throttle at a 90 degree angle. Drop your bombs at 1000FT and follow them in.
It'll look like you Kamakazied! (You can do this with almost any plane!)
first put a v in front of your name or you wont get any respect from anybody.
semp
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NO
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make an intentional kamikaze attack only work one time then the attacker is locked out of arena for 1 hour
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make an intentional kamikaze attack only work one time then the attacker is locked out of arena for 1 hour
12 Hours, just like the side switch times. :devil
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we had kamikaze planes in FA only during historic events I think they used vals and kates not sure
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If I set aside the bad taste and the fact that it might be offensive to Japanese players, it might be something to use in scenarios.
For the MA, I'd say no.
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In Ma I can see this being used by base take squads as a instant shut down of the base. Please do not implement this idea.