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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Citabria on April 05, 2012, 10:43:22 PM
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apparently the main fuel hit box is the size of a small planet because I have yet to be hit in a p47 and not get a main fuel tank leak.
please investigate.
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I think the main fuel tank IS the size of a small planet... The only things bigger that I know of are the radiators in 109s and the oil in 190s... :D :bolt:
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Fester,
You will have to argue these results with Hitech.
I used the Yak9U as the shooting fighter.
I put all P47 in the drone circuit and from 200 back low 6 off angle used only the 50cal in taps. 4 rounds average per tap. All of the 47's suffer the same fuel leak, then flame that the Fw19-D9 does, same shot areas. The low side angle from the wing rear edge fuslage junction forward below the wing line under the pilot if hit by a single tap from the Yak's 50cals will make a fuel leak. Then a second or third tap directly into the leak causes a flame. It seems once the fuel leak is present the aircraft is more suseptable to subsiquent damage if you don't ignite the leak. Sometimes in trying to ignite the leak the burst instead passes through and kills the pilot more often in the D11, D25 and M.
Here are the P47 by their sturdiness or resistance to the test. Strongest down to weakest. But, they all have the same leak from the same shot low off angle. I only accidentaly caused a single oil leak/black smoke trail. Otherwise these airframes are very resistant to damage.
P47N
P47D-40
P47D-25
P47M
P47D-11
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if the AUX fuel tank could be fufl whatever the % you take that would be a start
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I took main fule damage in p47N and ... DAMN ... IT WORKS GREAT LOL
:salute
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The F4U-4 has the small planet sized fuel tank as well.
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That's why I invariably take the 75% load and no drop in the "N"---(42 minutes) after the predictable 'main fuel' hit....the are 17 min in the aux/wings (truly less, as the plane doesnt fly well with a full aux, so I always drain half of THAT before switching to main. Prolly gonna fly M all month....out of 8 or 9 flights last night, got 4 main-fuels (can't hit squat either....gunnery is ALL different from N)
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I launch with 3/4 or full of fuel and switch to main fuel only almost right away,, in the M,,, the reserve gives you 10 minutes of fuel and rarely gets hit,,, this has been a problem for a few years
not long after the M was released.
it would be nice if the self sealing tanks at least kind of worked!!!!!
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Earlier jugs have same issue as M....ya just don't fly them as often to notice
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Earlier jugs have same issue as M....ya just don't fly them as often to notice
You are rite, I fly the N and the M more than the rest, I would go back to mid war tho, if I had the D-25 in there, it doesn't seem fair to only have the 11
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You are rite, I fly the N and the M more than the rest, I would go back to mid war tho, if I had the D-25 in there, it doesn't seem fair to only have the 11
biggest reason I dont go there...cant compete with PJ's and spit9's with 11 (not like 25's are THAT much easier)
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definite bug this, or possibly 3 bugs ...
1. Aux tank vs Main tank hits. from most angles the chance of hitting either tank should be roughly the same. from dead 6, ~90% chance of hitting aux tank.
2. Main tank is far too easy to damage. apart from the engine and the plate behind the pilot seat, the fuel tanks were the pilots armour.
3. Jugs Flambé. Something changed a year or so back so that a fuel hit now almost guarantees a fire and hence a destroyed jug. I never used to burst into flames, since the change it happens all the time.
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The other thing that always happens---lose half of right wing. I used to leave the sideways portions of my 4-way hat on the CH stick JUST for saving the plane after I lost a half wing (aileron trim) But I noticed that it's ALWAYS the right wing that either gets half-way or completely taken off, to the extent that I mapped that trim button to something else
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Could there be an issu with teh self sealing part of this eekuation?
Misspelt deliberately so HiTech could understand it. :t
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So research chemgum self-sealing fuel tanks in the P47.
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I have been flying the N almost exclusively for months, and the weak main tank is the most frustrating thing about the plane.
It has gotten to the point where I will burn internal fuel first and save a single drop tank for the ride home if I know that I will be around an enemy CV at all.
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I can work around the main fuel leak. But the Jug was the number one allied aircraft flown during the war. Most won't touch it anymore, due to its predictable fuel leak and easy lit burner.
Here is an opportunity for HTC to institute more of the stuff the likes of which was developed for the WWI arena and bring it into the Main Arena. Either fix the "armor" / "damage done" or give us a new self sealing feature.
Very simple, a JUG was not as vulnerable to these fires as was the Zeke (with little armor and no self sealing tanks) in comparison. Yet, if you have flown both in Aces High, you would swear they were both made by Ronson.
HTC,
Please respond, or ask for more specific evidence in our claims of the inaccuracy of the damage model and/ or physics.
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Jugs do seem to get main fuel damage often. :(
Can't say for sure that it doesn't happen, but I don't remember getting an AUX fuel hit recently.
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cant believe this hasnt been looked at yet ... :(
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I fly the M full of fuel and set it to drain the main first every time I take off aux gives you 10 minutes of fuel to get home or what ever :airplane:
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I believe it HAS been looked at. Used to be first time, every time, I'd light up in a P-47 from main fuel leak. I used to fly them often with my squaddies that love them more than me. Then at one point they tweaked it and instead I get leaks but not as many instant flames.
And the occurence of said leaks is lower. You think it's bad now? You shoulda seen back then!
(this was some years back, can't recall exact time frame. Before M's came out for sure, probably before Ns as well)
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Maybe they modeled bullet passing through the turbocharger on it's way to the main fuel tank when the plane is shot from the rear.
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Regardless, it is simply just as vulnerable in AH as the Zeke, which has little armor and no self sealing fuel tanks. I don't care if there is a wormhole headed to the fuel tanks, the JUGs were known to be rugged..... not FRAGILE. (sorry if I am loosing my sense of humor... it seems to correlate with loss of eye sight) :old:
:salute
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The 47N has been my main for about 6 months.
I must really be lucky because I do take damage like everyone else but seldom get a fuel leak. Maybe 3 or 4 times in 6 months total.
This is not sarcasm or belittling those who have posted about fuel tanks leak. I really must be lucky.
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Zoney,
Maybe you have found the one that wasn't. I mean I have no clue if any of them have separate damage models. All that I DO KNOW, is that I a flambayed far too often, and from very little contact. Last night, I barely took ONE SINGLE HIT from TOWN ACK while maneuvering at high speed in a P47D25 and changing angles. From that single ping, you guessed correctly my JUG was on fire.
I fly mostly all of the JUGS and favor the Razorback. As you can tell by my signature, this is not a passing fascination. I don't know how long ago this thread was started by Fester, but I do know that SOMETHING HAS CHANGED for the worse, somewhere along the line.
I will even go as far as to say that I suspect there has been a difference in damage for close to 5 or 6 months (maybe less). Could it be possible that along the time of the new B29 and new material skins, that another area was inadvertently affected?
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Not likely. I wouldn't compare field ack, which is a 37mm explosive cannon round, capable of lighting any plane (not just P-47s) on fire in 1 hit, with fighter guns.
When other players are shooting you, how many times do you light up? Because when I did it wasn't all that often. It was quite survivable.
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Krusty,
Yesterday's town ack was just the latest of P47 fire traps. The best example of what I am seeing was discussed in this thread some time ago, using offline drones. The simple experiment supposedly resulted in fuel puncture and leak followed by easily predictable flame on second (or whatever) hit.
What yesterday's town ack does however compare with is the ease in which both P47(maybe only some models - D25 for sure) and Zeke burst into flames.
Now, this is the bug report forum, so to keep it as far as I can from a whine, I wish to remind folks that we had the "flaming JUG" creep into game play a while back. I can't recall right away but it was during a huge graphics update if my memory serves, maybe even the reflective water and detailed terrain version.
Sorry, I don't have the dates to back any of that up, and search showed a lot of burning jug issues, but different and the duration was complained about as well.
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it definitely started about 2 years ago, before that I cant remember the jug bursting into flames at all, since then its a regular occurance. seems to be a single hit from puffy ack or field acks, and very occasionally from a fighter's burst of cannon. I used to bomb ships with the jug all the time, I dont bother much any more because the moment I pop over 3k after the drop its almost a guaranteed fire. ironically the last time a fighter caused it for me, it was a zero ...
(maybe 95% of my sorties are in the D25, cant speak for the other variants.)
edit: did a search of my posts and found this topic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298530.0.html) from Oct 2010 about the main tank hits. the burning tanks thing started a month or two before that, and although I was suspicious about the fires, it hadnt been happening long enough for me to be absolutely sure about it so I didnt mention it. Joachim did though in this topic.
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I agree that it probably is too frequent, but as compared to what it used to be, 2 years back? It's been toned down somewhere along the lines, though I don't recall exactly where.
I'm not sure about the logic of the hit detection, but it's still somewhat survivable.