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Title: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Wildcat1 on April 08, 2012, 11:47:45 PM
As I'm posting this I realize this might very likely be in the AH skunkworks, but I figure It's worth asking.

Anyways, the L-4 was the standard allied observation aircraft. The counterpart to the storch, it had comperable flight characteristics and saw extensive use in all theaters of conflict. Basically all it was was a Piper Cub, and I'm sure many of you private pilots in here haves flown in one. They are fun as heck to fly both in real life and virtually, as is the storch.

No rear gun, so you can't plink the 8-10 cons barreling down on you, but it should be able to have the same ability to carry supplies and mark with smoke. This would be a great adition for AvA or scenarios.

(http://tpsrca.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136.0;attach=2600;image.jpg)
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: TheMercinary60 on April 08, 2012, 11:52:23 PM
only if they start allowing field mods. then i can mount bazookas on the wing struts  :O :noid
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Ruah on April 09, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
definatly nothing wrong with this request - except that it all seems for something so little. . .
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 09, 2012, 08:55:57 PM
A L-4 (flown by Lt. Duane M. Francis) was credited with shooting down a F-156 Storch on the last day of WW2 in Europe.  Lt. Francis and his observer took out their .45s and shot up the Storch, forcing it to ditch and they took the crew prisoner.

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Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Seadog36 on April 09, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
A L-4 (flown by Lt. Duane M. Francis) was credited with shooting down a F-156 Storch on the last day of WW2 in Europe.  Lt. Francis and his observer took out their .45s and shot up the Storch, forcing it to ditch and they took the crew prisoner.

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I heard they just got the proxie as the Storch bailed over the maproom....anyway they were being hoarded at that point anyway.
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: bc21 on April 09, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
I love the Storch and the L-3? But wish there was a piont gaining system for flying them. IE.. Land and give supplies to tanks get 1 or 2 points. Mark 3 tanks that then get blown up by friends get 1 piont. ect..
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Citabria on April 10, 2012, 06:48:59 AM
I've gotten about 60 hrs of J-3 cub time over the past 2 yrs and I think it is one of the most enjoyable aircraft I have ever flown.
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 11, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
Read the story of "Bazooka Charlie" or the "Mad Major" (a.k.a Lt. Col. Charles Carpenter) and his legengy feat of using the L-4 as a tank killer by strapping 6 bazookas to his L-4 Grasshopper.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/jaepton/l4.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R8RLQUxuLWw/T15z8kGIgzI/AAAAAAAAA_I/fWRDv9Rk6Hg/s1600/Piper-L-4-Grasshopper-WWII-Military-Light-Aircraft-Title-1.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G_cjFWsPwl4/T15MGvCey2I/AAAAAAAAA_A/FgP_acS-pgQ/s1600/RosietheRocketeer-1.jpg)

(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1941/l4433304261tn1.jpg)

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Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Full Metal Jug on April 12, 2012, 05:48:35 AM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6256977537_31030367a3.jpg)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6256977537_31030367a3.jpg

History: Dating back to a 1930 design called the Taylor Cub, the Piper J-3 Cub design was vastly popular as a civilian trainer and sport plane for at least three years before the US Army Air Corps selected the aircraft to be evaluated as an artillery spotter/director platform. The first J-3s delivered, powered by a 50-hp Lenape Papoose 3-cylinder radial engine, were designated the O-59. 40 were delivered in 1941. Shortly thereafter, the Army ordered a new version powered by a 65-hp Continental O-170-3 flat-four engine. It was originally designated the O-59A, but due to an Army designation change, it was called the L-4A. 948 were eventually delivered, and the nickname "Grasshopper" was almost immediately applied.

Subsequent variants included the L-4B, with reduced radio equipment and a 65-hp Continental engine; the L-4H, which was almost the same as the B-Model; the L-4J, with a variable-pitch propeller; and the L-4C and L-4D, both of which were actually civilian J-3 models pressed into service at the beginning of WWII. The US Navy also purchased 250 Cubs for use as trainers, which they designated NE-1s (and later, NE-2s.)

The Piper J-4E Cub Coupe, powered by a 75-hp Continental A75-9 engine, was purchased by the US Army and designated the L-4E. It featured a fully-enclosed engine cowl, wheel pants, brakes, a fully-castoring tailwheel, and a slightly increased wingspan. The Piper J-5 Cruiser next entered service as the L-4F (75-hp J-5A) and the L-4G (100-hp J-5C), and the US Navy bought 100 modified J-5Cs and called them HE-1s. They were fitted with a hinged turtledeck fuselage, which allowed a stretcher to be loaded. (When the Navy realigned their "H" designation for their helicopters, the HE-1 became the AE-1.) An unusual variant, the TG-8 training glider, consisted of an L-4 fuselage with no engine or landing gear. In the 1950s, during the Korean war, the L-4 was reborn as an improved variant, the L-18, and it served in many of the same roles it had filled in WWII.

The J-3/L-4 not only introduced uncounted thousands of aspiring military aviators the basics of flying, it also became a versatile workhorse of the battlefields of WWII. Many hundreds of J-3s are still airworthy around the world, although it is not known exactly how many of these once wore Army colors as L-4s, since many true L-4s were later sold as surplus and repainted in familiar "Cub Yellow." Most Grasshoppers are highly prized and pampered by their owners, ensuring that their legacy will continue for many years.

Nickname: Grasshopper

Specifications (L-4B):
        Engine: One 65-hp Continental A65 flat-four piston engine 
        Weight: Empty 640 lbs., Max Takeoff 1,100 lbs.
        Wing Span: 35ft. 2.5in.
        Length: 22ft. 3in.
        Height: 6ft. 8in.
        Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 92 mph
            Ceiling: 12,000 ft.
            Range: 250 miles
        Armament: None

Number Built:
J-3/L-4:  14,125 Civil; 5703 Military
J-4/L-4:  17
J-5/L-4:  Unknown, at least 100 HE-1s

Number Still Airworthy: Unknown, probably over 40 original L-4s, plus hundreds of J-3s.

http://www.warbirdalley.com/l4.htm
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Tilt on April 12, 2012, 12:49:56 PM
Well it looks fun especially with the bazookas fitted............... I still think that the most produced aircraft in the world ....EVER

should be in this roll as it was during the GPW


(http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/125/0/d/polikarpov_po_2_by_namelessfaithlessgod-d3fodyg.jpg)

http://www.seizethesky.com/nwitches/nitewtch.html (http://www.seizethesky.com/nwitches/nitewtch.html)

Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Skull_001 on April 13, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
A L-4 (flown by Lt. Duane M. Francis) was credited with shooting down a F-156 Storch on the last day of WW2 in Europe.  Lt. Francis and his observer took out their .45s and shot up the Storch, forcing it to ditch and they took the crew prisoner.

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+1
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: SmokinLoon on April 14, 2012, 01:29:19 AM
Well it looks fun especially with the bazookas fitted............... I still think that the most produced aircraft in the world ....EVER

should be in this roll as it was during the GPW


(http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/125/0/d/polikarpov_po_2_by_namelessfaithlessgod-d3fodyg.jpg)

http://www.seizethesky.com/nwitches/nitewtch.html (http://www.seizethesky.com/nwitches/nitewtch.html)



Very good point.  Is there anything the Soviets didn't use this plane for?  From what I have read, they pressed it in to the role of fighter, dive bomber/attack, supply/transport, and even level bomber (albeit crudely).   
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Tupac on April 14, 2012, 04:48:49 AM
The L4 is a really neat airplane. I do think if it were added it would get almost no use compared to the storch, because its a generally slower airplane. Think 85mph at redline and a 500fpm climbrate if HTC are generous. The one I fly cruises at about 73 at 2150rpm. If HTC does ever decide to add this plane, I have alot of info on it if they want it.
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: earl1937 on April 14, 2012, 09:11:54 AM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6256977537_31030367a3.jpg)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6256977537_31030367a3.jpg

History: Dating back to a 1930 design called the Taylor Cub, the Piper J-3 Cub design was vastly popular as a civilian trainer and sport plane for at least three years before the US Army Air Corps selected the aircraft to be evaluated as an artillery spotter/director platform. The first J-3s delivered, powered by a 50-hp Lenape Papoose 3-cylinder radial engine, were designated the O-59. 40 were delivered in 1941. Shortly thereafter, the Army ordered a new version powered by a 65-hp Continental O-170-3 flat-four engine. It was originally designated the O-59A, but due to an Army designation change, it was called the L-4A. 948 were eventually delivered, and the nickname "Grasshopper" was almost immediately applied.

Subsequent variants included the L-4B, with reduced radio equipment and a 65-hp Continental engine; the L-4H, which was almost the same as the B-Model; the L-4J, with a variable-pitch propeller; and the L-4C and L-4D, both of which were actually civilian J-3 models pressed into service at the beginning of WWII. The US Navy also purchased 250 Cubs for use as trainers, which they designated NE-1s (and later, NE-2s.)

The Piper J-4E Cub Coupe, powered by a 75-hp Continental A75-9 engine, was purchased by the US Army and designated the L-4E. It featured a fully-enclosed engine cowl, wheel pants, brakes, a fully-castoring tailwheel, and a slightly increased wingspan. The Piper J-5 Cruiser next entered service as the L-4F (75-hp J-5A) and the L-4G (100-hp J-5C), and the US Navy bought 100 modified J-5Cs and called them HE-1s. They were fitted with a hinged turtledeck fuselage, which allowed a stretcher to be loaded. (When the Navy realigned their "H" designation for their helicopters, the HE-1 became the AE-1.) An unusual variant, the TG-8 training glider, consisted of an L-4 fuselage with no engine or landing gear. In the 1950s, during the Korean war, the L-4 was reborn as an improved variant, the L-18, and it served in many of the same roles it had filled in WWII.

The J-3/L-4 not only introduced uncounted thousands of aspiring military aviators the basics of flying, it also became a versatile workhorse of the battlefields of WWII. Many hundreds of J-3s are still airworthy around the world, although it is not known exactly how many of these once wore Army colors as L-4s, since many true L-4s were later sold as surplus and repainted in familiar "Cub Yellow." Most Grasshoppers are highly prized and pampered by their owners, ensuring that their legacy will continue for many years.

Nickname: Grasshopper

Specifications (L-4B):
        Engine: One 65-hp Continental A65 flat-four piston engine 
        Weight: Empty 640 lbs., Max Takeoff 1,100 lbs.
        Wing Span: 35ft. 2.5in.
        Length: 22ft. 3in.
        Height: 6ft. 8in.
        Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 92 mph
            Ceiling: 12,000 ft.
            Range: 250 miles
        Armament: None

Number Built:
J-3/L-4:  14,125 Civil; 5703 Military
J-4/L-4:  17
J-5/L-4:  Unknown, at least 100 HE-1s

Number Still Airworthy: Unknown, probably over 40 original L-4s, plus hundreds of J-3s.

http://www.warbirdalley.com/l4.htm
Well, you certainly know your history of the "Piper" series of aircraft built for the military, but lets us not forget the "Champion L-5a series of aircraft built for the military! They also had a great military record, with 2 recorded pilot pickups in Italy of 57Th fighter-bomber pilots who had to bail for one reason or another. It had side-panels which could be lowered and a stretcher could be placed for transport of wounded personnel. It also had a wider than normal rear seat, much like the PA-12A super cruiser, in which 2 people could sit, although probabley uncomfortable. The Piper PA-12A and the L-5A and B models had a Lycoming opposed, air cooled, fully enclose cowling, carburetor heat and cabin heat, all from a 108HP engine. with a fixed pitch propeller. When I was learning to fly in the late 40's, it was one of four aircraft we had on our 1800 foot dirt strip. Anybody remember what the "hand crank" below the throttle on the left side was for?
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Noir on April 14, 2012, 01:51:55 PM
The L4 and the storch are not in the same class. a L4 can barely give a lift to two people, with no additional equipment.
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
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Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: Windycty on April 19, 2012, 09:08:52 PM
+1  The Grasshopper should have came before the Storch IMHO.  Here's my R/C Grasshopper.


(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/steveg79/010.jpg)
Title: Re: counterpart to the storch, the L-4 Grasshopper
Post by: matt on April 19, 2012, 10:50:59 PM
Read the story of "Bazooka Charlie" or the "Mad Major" (a.k.a Lt. Col. Charles Carpenter) and his legengy feat of using the L-4 as a tank killer by strapping 6 bazookas to his L-4 Grasshopper.

(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/jaepton/l4.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R8RLQUxuLWw/T15z8kGIgzI/AAAAAAAAA_I/fWRDv9Rk6Hg/s1600/Piper-L-4-Grasshopper-WWII-Military-Light-Aircraft-Title-1.jpg)+1

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G_cjFWsPwl4/T15MGvCey2I/AAAAAAAAA_A/FgP_acS-pgQ/s1600/RosietheRocketeer-1.jpg)

(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1941/l4433304261tn1.jpg)

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