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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tunnelrat on April 09, 2012, 03:53:11 PM
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I've been back in AH for about a month (after being gone since... idk, 2001 maybe), and I think I have logged an average of 5-6 hours a day in that time :joystick: (I guess I am still in the honeymoon period and my wife is still being pretty lenient about it hahaha)
I've pretty quickly picked up on (and joined in on some of) the nomenclature of various whining, but I am really at a loss when it comes to "hordes". (Or "hoards" for some reason)
Used as a simple descriptor, it makes sense... "a large number of".
Where I am having trouble is when it is used disparagingly, specifically the application of the term.
I am trying to look at this objectively, and determine how it fits in to the gameplay... if it is somehow outside of the point of the game, and is to be avoided for that reason, etc...
Case in point: some players simply refer to any large dar bar as "the horde". Some players use the term "missions" itself derogatorily.
Is this simply the frustration of a personal inability to compete against overwhelming numbers? We've all been on both sides of that line and it can certainly be frustrating.
But the underlying vitriol towards "horders" or "base rollers", even the (seemingly, at least) condescending posts about how certain squads are great for the game because they allow new players to get into a group so they can survive.
I am under the impression that the main arena is a 3-way war, the objective of which is to capture enemy bases while defending your own. To attempt to ostracize effectively accomplishing this mission (again, within the overall intent of a realistic simulation of period vehicles) seems absurd to me.
Am I wrong in this? I mean, I can understand the frustration of players who are unable to find a better venue for fighting one another in ground vehicles (specifically on certain maps) becoming upset when their fun is disrupted... but only if the capture of whichever base serves no strategic purpose in the overall war effort.
I saw someone post something to the effect of "we used to be a horde squad, thank God those days are behind us!" what does that mean?
If the application of the term "horde" is based upon the level of organization and employment of sound strategic decisions, then I agree. If it simply means "any group that outnumbers us" then that is purely an idiotic assessment and can be dismissed simply out of it's incompatibility with the ultimate goal of any given country in the main arenas.
Any further light that someone can shed on this for this newb would be sincerely appreciated.
Otherwise, I am going with:
If seeing this:
(http://s6.images.drive2.ru/community.blog.photos/x1/4400/000/000/295/bb6/88cdce8002c64bfa-large.jpg)
Makes you do this:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XVYPEZQK8hY/TLEJ8it2HCI/AAAAAAAAApc/i1FnSzSOMEU/s1600/FrenchManCrying.png)
Then invest in this:
(http://static.blogo.it/twowheelsblog/hello-kitty-helmets/3459C_200.gif)
Thank you.
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If you are vastly outnumbered.... it's a horde.
If your group vastly outnumbers the other group.... they should have brought more help.
If the groups are even and your getting shot down over and over..... it's a horde.
If the groups are even and your side keeps shooting down an individual pilot...... he should stop whining and get some TA time.
That about covers how hordes are mostly considered in game.
Have a nice day..... :D
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Tunnelrat do not try to figure it out the game is full of hypocrites, and crybabyies no getting around it. Your either a hoarder, a picktard,camptard, tigertard, a ram tard, a hotard or a spittard, ponytard,. run90tard, zeketard, bomb****, gvtard, wirbletard, vulchtard, alttard, or just a tardtard in any combonation of the above and you will becalled that by some of the biggest picktard, ace pilot, hotard, alttards you will see in game.
funny cant say bomb****
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Tunnelrat do not try to figure it out the game is full of hypocrites, and crybabyies no getting around it. Your either a hoarder, a picktard,camptard, tigertard, a ram tard, a hotard or a spittard, ponytard,. run90tard, zeketard, bomb****, gvtard, wirbletard, vulchtard, alttard, or just a tardtard in any combonation of the above and you will becalled that by some of the biggest picktard, ace pilot, hotard, alttards you will see in game.
funny cant saw bomb****
... umm you forgot posttard :aok
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... umm you forgot posttard :aok
but thats only on forums where your have posttards, Grammartards, commatards, spellingtards who are usually also smileytards that posttard with smileys. :old: :neener: :cheers: :banana:
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but thtas only ofn forums where your have posttards, Grammartards, commatards, spellingtards on other things
aww crud :D
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aww crud :D
boss lady walked away and I fixed it.
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this whole bomb**** thing is KILLING me... what does it MEAN?
I think I may be one, and I am dying to know!!
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this whole bomb**** thing is KILLING me... what does it MEAN?
I think I may be one, and I am dying to know!!
you cant put bomb and Tard together
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you cant put bomb and Tard together
Seperate it is ok bomb****
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I am under the impression that the main arena is a 3-way war, the objective of which is to capture enemy bases while defending your own.
for some people, it is the objective.
for quite a lot, it is not the objective. they like to do what they like to do.
there seems to be a typical progression when one starts playing this game, most start in a large squad, and take bases... most people get bored with it after awhile. they either quit, or find other things to do in the game besides team up with 20 other people and blow up town buildings all night. its fine for learning the ropes, but if flying with 20-30 friends against 0-2 enemy is still fun after any extended period of time, I ask why bother even having 3 countries, everyone should just join 1 country and roll all the bases.
the main thing to remember, not everyone cares about bases or "the war". when you don't care, there's no reason to fly in large groups of friendlies.. its boring because the more friends are around, the less chance of having any actual combat with an enemy. and having combat is the true objective of the game.
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The game is not about WAR, tho winning the war is one of the many options available during game play/ The game is about combat, the war is there to give combat a place to happen. GV's promote the the same thing, another way to create combat be it in battle against other GVs, of being fighters in to attack the people bombing the GVs. The game is all about combat.
As for the horde, more often than not I see it explained, and complained about as a large group the completely flattens a base in minutes capturing said base and then disappearing to pop up at some other undefended base to do the same thing over and over and over again. The problem with hordes is they avoid the main purpose of the game, they avoid combat. Either by attacking in stealth mode (NOE), or with such over whelming numbers that they couldn't possible be stopped even should people try to defend. Years ago people use to try to stop/slow the hordes, now adays, they just avoid them and let them roll base after base. Instead they join their own hordes avoiding the enemy hordes and race to see who can capture more bases faster.
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Seperate it is ok bomb****
... or tardbomber
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or maybe Dratbmob
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If im on the receiving end of a numerical mismatch it is a Horde...If im on the giving end its Wingman tactics. simple really.
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Grab a plane or a tank and go kill or be killed. Hang out with your friends and have some fun. That's really what its about. Don't worry too much about what the win the war generals think or the I live for the fight cyber heroes think. Win the map in this game and you're still not a real war hero. Shoot down 9 guys in this game using flawless ACM, you're still not a real fighter pilot. Granted there are real fighter pilots and I'd wager some real war heroes that do enjoy this game. You can bet they're not the ones making all the fuss on 200 or this BBS.
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:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:
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There is a derrogatory name for everything, that someone else does not agree with.
FYI there is no "AltTard", that is an "Alt Monkey".
Ignore them all, find your own fun, go do that. And be nice, that's fun too.
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There is a derrogatory name for everything, that someone else does not agree with.
FYI there is no "AltTard", that is an "Alt Monkey".
Ignore them all, find your own fun, go do that. And don't be a dick.
fixed
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Two of the sides that start with a R and N say that more than 1 B is a horde while their sides 20-50 is a well planed mission :salute
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fightertard!
(if that ever becomes an actual term, the game is gone)
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fightertard!
(if that ever becomes an actual term, the game is gone)
A fightertard is called a Suicide Dweeb :D
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there seems to be a typical progression when one starts playing this game, most start in a large squad, and take bases... most people get bored with it after awhile. they either quit, or find other things to do in the game besides team up with 20 other people and blow up town buildings all night. its fine for learning the ropes, but if flying with 20-30 friends against 0-2 enemy is still fun after any extended period of time, I ask why bother even having 3 countries, everyone should just join 1 country and roll all the bases.
the main thing to remember, not everyone cares about bases or "the war". when you don't care, there's no reason to fly in large groups of friendlies.. its boring because the more friends are around, the less chance of having any actual combat with an enemy. and having combat is the true objective of the game.
I like this guy.
- oldman
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I talk a good game, but I just shoot vulchers now from 37mm field guns.
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If you are vastly outnumbered.... it's a horde.
If your group vastly outnumbers the other group.... they should have brought more help.
If the groups are even and your getting shot down over and over..... it's a horde.
If the groups are even and your side keeps shooting down an individual pilot...... he should stop whining and get some TA time.
That about covers how hordes are mostly considered in game.
Have a nice day..... :D
Brilliant definition! Here I was going to start quoting Freud and Pavlov but this does the job without the psychobabble :aok
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The game is not about WAR, tho winning the war is one of the many options available during game play/ The game is about combat, the war is there to give combat a place to happen. GV's promote the the same thing, another way to create combat be it in battle against other GVs, of being fighters in to attack the people bombing the GVs. The game is all about combat.
As for the horde, more often than not I see it explained, and complained about as a large group the completely flattens a base in minutes capturing said base and then disappearing to pop up at some other undefended base to do the same thing over and over and over again. The problem with hordes is they avoid the main purpose of the game, they avoid combat. Either by attacking in stealth mode (NOE), or with such over whelming numbers that they couldn't possible be stopped even should people try to defend. Years ago people use to try to stop/slow the hordes, now adays, they just avoid them and let them roll base after base. Instead they join their own hordes avoiding the enemy hordes and race to see who can capture more bases faster.
:aok
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In my opinion, the Horde is different than what is thrown out many times.
I find the "Horde" to be the group that drops hangars and deacks a base to where no one can possibly up from it, then loses 10 goons because they're all busy trying to vulch a runway nothing will up from for 15 minutes anyways.
It's not a well planned mission if this happens. :devil
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In my opinion, the Horde is different than what is thrown out many times.
I find the "Horde" to be the group that drops hangars and deacks a base to where no one can possibly up from it, then loses 10 goons because they're all busy trying to vulch a runway nothing will up from for 15 minutes anyways.
It's not a well planned mission if this happens. :devil
I think this one fits for me too. To me a horde has no intention of fighting anyone. If anything they want to avoid combat if at all possible. If forced to deal with the other side they hope that having 30 more planes then the defenders will make that easier..
Their usual response to being called a horde is to blame the 3 defenders for not spotting them sooner.
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A hoard is a very large number advantage...does not matter what they are doing.
most who fly in the hoard couldn't fight there way out of a paper bag with a straight razor :aok
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I r teh horde!
I r teh Army of One!
I r teh HORDE COMMANDER!
no, seriously, I am.
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Hoard = great opportunity to kill red guys! :O
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My personal problem with certain hordes is when they just disappear after flattening it.....or they come NOE and drop it....or they bring 50 planes.
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The game is not about WAR, tho winning the war is one of the many options available during game play/ The game is about combat, the war is there to give combat a place to happen. GV's promote the the same thing, another way to create combat be it in battle against other GVs, of being fighters in to attack the people bombing the GVs. The game is all about combat.
As for the horde, more often than not I see it explained, and complained about as a large group the completely flattens a base in minutes capturing said base and then disappearing to pop up at some other undefended base to do the same thing over and over and over again. The problem with hordes is they avoid the main purpose of the game, they avoid combat. Either by attacking in stealth mode (NOE), or with such over whelming numbers that they couldn't possible be stopped even should people try to defend. Years ago people use to try to stop/slow the hordes, now adays, they just avoid them and let them roll base after base. Instead they join their own hordes avoiding the enemy hordes and race to see who can capture more bases faster.
This a nearly perfect description of a horde. Its not so much that players fly in large groups as much as those large groups tend to avoid anything resembling a conflict.
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I am under the impression that the main arena is a 3-way war, the objective of which is to capture enemy bases while defending your own. To attempt to ostracize effectively accomplishing this mission (again, within the overall intent of a realistic simulation of period vehicles) seems absurd to me.
:aok
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Two of the sides that start with a R and N say that more than 1 B is a horde while their sides 20-50 is a well planed mission :salute
We have a side that starts with an N??
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Ignore them all, find your own fun, go do that. And be nice, that's fun too.
Well Said.
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We have a side that starts with an N??
Ya, Nit....
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This is a game/simulator.
If the enemy has the upper-hand, they brought a horde, they're pickers etc.
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"The game is all about combat" is only one person's narrow opinion. Hitech created an environment that allows a population of gamers to fly, fight, bomb, gv, gun, and interact. The population then determines through this interaction what the game "is all about".
Obviously the population of late has decided that game play is about large numbers working together and doing "stuff" (commonly referred to as hoarding). This seems to be what the population in general prefers. If this is not something that you as an individual prefers - interact to change it, find a way to have fun and live with it or leave if it is too much to endure. Pretty simple logic.
I myself have been in the game for only about 5 years and have noticed only a slight trending towards the hoarding (seems like the NOE hoards were popular when I started). And like most, I have my opinions for what the game needs (more strategic targets), how it should be changed (fix ENY) and what I like (the camaraderie with all my friends in the game).
I also recognize that in a dynamic such as this, small changes to the environment can sometimes have a great impact on game play for the general population, either good or bad - I applaud Hitech's skill and restraint at not over-reacting to the opinion of the whiners!
And most importantly - IT"S A CARTOON GAME FOR GOSH SAKES!
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I did laugh yesterday when I was asked what we should do next and I suggested a re-supply run to get one of our fields ords back.
4 of us were driving along in our M3's whistling dixie when one of Chuwie's missions came over a hill with 5 sets of NOE lancs + 110's
we were like :x :O
Ditch the m3's and up LA's 50% fuel. Went through them like a sharp knife. Town and base got flattened but for some reason they had no Goons in the mission and we killed what we could. A very strange 30 mins but fun none the less and I thank chuwie for putting that stuff together.
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I did laugh yesterday when I was asked what we should do next and I suggested a re-supply run to get one of our fields ords back.
4 of us were driving along in our M3's whistling dixie when one of Chuwie's missions came over a hill with 5 sets of NOE lancs + 110's
we were like :x :O
Ditch the m3's and up LA's 50% fuel. Went through them like a sharp knife. Town and base got flattened but for some reason they had no Goons in the mission and we killed what we could. A very strange 30 mins but fun none the less and I thank chuwie for putting that stuff together.
Stumbling into an NOE raid is one of my favorite things.
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Not even a month back I saw a large group of red dots almost to one of our bases. I quickly plied the alert and upped in my 38. What do I see? About 20 or so storches coming in. lol priceless. If I remember right I only shot a few I was laughing so hard.
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"The game is all about combat" is only one person's narrow opinion.
:headscratch:
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I didn't know you couldn't say bomb****
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Not even a month back I saw a large group of red dots almost to one of our bases. I quickly plied the alert and upped in my 38. What do I see? About 20 or so storches coming in. lol priceless. If I remember right I only shot a few I was laughing so hard.
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......and back and forth the battle raged the mighty storch and the 38 twisting and turning, each clawing for the advantage...untill an emty margarita glass carelessly thrown from the 38 struck my windscreen, PW'ing me of course. (sigh) Ill get you next time Shuffles!...<SALUTE>
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......and back and forth the battle raged the mighty storch and the 38 twisting and turning, each clawing for the advantage...untill an emty margarita glass carelessly thrown from the 38 struck my windscreen, PW'ing me of course. (sigh) Ill get you next time Shuffles!...<SALUTE>
The glass must have been cracked as I would never waste a good glass. :D
I had a great laugh that evening..... as I said absolutely priceless. <S> Ump
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Okay class, can anyone tell me the difference between these two things?
(http://page.order-of-avalon.net/products/roleplay/dragon_hoard_tn.jpg)
(http://mscaputouhs.wikispaces.com/file/view/The_charge_of_the_mongol_horde.jpg/146593843/The_charge_of_the_mongol_horde.jpg)
(HINT: One is a "hoard" and the other is a "horde")
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well since the hoard and horde thing is done already I guess wone is a pilre of gold and the other is a buncha dudes on horseback?
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Stumbling into an NOE raid is one of my favorite things.
stumbling into an noe raid while being in an noe raid is priceless. has happened a few times. we go attack the base that has an noe coming to the base we up from. the other funny part about noe is going 3 full sectors and finding a cv right in front of you and the ack kills 1/2 the people that were afk on auto. :rofl :rofl :furious :furious :rofl :rofl
semp
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A horde is opportunity.
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stumbling into an noe raid while being in an noe raid is priceless. has happened a few times. we go attack the base that has an noe coming to the base we up from. the other funny part about noe is going 3 full sectors and finding a cv right in front of you and the ack kills 1/2 the people that were afk on auto. :rofl :rofl :furious :furious :rofl :rofl
semp
Somebody always asks "do you think they see us?"
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I found some film of a horde i was in crossing paths with an opposing mission.
:airplane:
http://youtu.be/kttupBcRrl4
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Tunnelrat do not try to figure it out the game is full of hypocrites, and crybabyies no getting around it. Your either a hoarder, a picktard,camptard, tigertard, a ram tard, a hotard or a spittard, ponytard,. run90tard, zeketard, bomb****, gvtard, wirbletard, vulchtard, alttard, or just a tardtard in any combonation of the above and you will becalled that by some of the biggest picktard, ace pilot, hotard, alttards you will see in game.
funny cant say bomb****
:rofl :aok :salute
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Back in the day...Ten years ago, I would have considered Leviathn and NathBDP winging together as horde.
These days, it's 15 of the vGuys.
I'd rather face the 15 vGuys......