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Title: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Bruv119 on April 11, 2012, 12:48:58 PM
For a little extra OOMPH,  I suggest people with vast reserves of fighter perks be able to buy an uprated engine. 

I mean having average Spitfires in AH is just not cricket.  I want to be able to run down 190's  and K4's   please   :pray

Flame on! 





Oh wait we have the squirrelly Spit 14 nvm     :bolt:
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: 715 on April 11, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
I'd pay perks to get the old high boost Spit V back.  Almost every reference I check quotes a much higher initial rate of climb for the Spit V than the current AH version.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Shuffler on April 11, 2012, 01:55:18 PM
Most new guys do not have perks.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: guncrasher on April 11, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
Most new guys do not have perks.

should be amazed how many vets use the spit.


semp
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Reaper90 on April 11, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
should be amazed how many vets fly trainers.



Fixed that for you.  :)
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Karnak on April 11, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
I'd settle for just the Spitfire Mk XIV getting 150 octane and +21lbs boost to justify being perked at all.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: 321BAR on April 11, 2012, 02:35:58 PM
I'd settle for just the Spitfire Mk XIV getting 150 octane and +21lbs boost to justify being perked at all.
this. but even now if flown at alt karnak its a good fighter to qualify a slight perk just not the 10*? perks it has now
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: DMVIAGRA on April 11, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
I'd not gripe at all, the Spitfire should be nerfed it's too over modeled. The 109 G2 should out turn a spixteen but it doesn't. I'd shut up while the things still ahead of everything in jabo. BnZers find spits a pain in the arse.

I want a turning upgrade for my P-47 too!!!  :mad:
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Karnak on April 11, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
I'd not gripe at all, the Spitfire should be nerfed it's too over modeled. The 109 G2 should out turn a spixteen but it doesn't. I'd shut up while the things still ahead of everything in jabo. BnZers find spits a pain in the arse.

I want a turning upgrade for my P-47 too!!!  :mad:
Why should the Bf109G-2 out turn a Spitfire Mk XVI?  Do you have supporting primary documentation to back that claim up or are you just spouting empty, useless whines?

I bet you are just whining.  Prove me wrong by showing your supporting data.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Guppy35 on April 11, 2012, 03:08:19 PM
<smacks Bruv> Spit fans know better.  Don't do it :furious


 ;)

Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: PFactorDave on April 11, 2012, 03:09:34 PM
For a little extra OOMPH,  I suggest people with vast reserves of fighter perks be able to buy an uprated engine. 

I mean having average Spitfires in AH is just not cricket.  I want to be able to run down 190's  and K4's   please   :pray

Flame on! 





Oh wait we have the squirrelly Spit 14 nvm     :bolt:

Well Bruv, if you have too many perks, you could change your name and wipe them all out.

I'll bet there is someone out there willing to let you have the Midway name.   :D
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Bruv119 on April 11, 2012, 03:12:49 PM
everyone else wants uber versions of their favourite plane why can't I! 

Spit 5 upgrade  +1
Spit 14 upgrade +1 

haters gonna hate   :old:

and it's the pilot that makes it do what it does!   

Of course in the interests of fair play and to make up for pilots of low moral fibre I do accept the current Flight models.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Karnak on April 11, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Spitfire Mk V is needed as it is otherwise we lose any 1941 Spitfire for scenarios.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Rob52240 on April 14, 2012, 07:13:45 PM
I kill more wirbles by far with the spit than anything else.  Idk why.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: guncrasher on April 14, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
Why should the Bf109G-2 out turn a Spitfire Mk XVI?  Do you have supporting primary documentation to back that claim up or are you just spouting empty, useless whines?

I bet you are just whining.  Prove me wrong by showing your supporting data.

if that was the case than a spit 16 shouldnt outturn another spit16.  it all comes down to not only skill but stick setup.  and even the unknown things like trakir and sometimes having 3 screens.

everybody forget that while the flying characteristics are the same for everybody the set up itself is not.  some joysticks are more responsive than others and also you never as much as you try being with the same e or advantage as much as you try.  one or the other will always have something that gives him the edge.

while everybody can say by looking at the flying model that this plane should outturn another 100% of the time most forget that the it's not the model that is wrong but the situation that is never the same.


semp
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 14, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
Why in gods name would you want to see MORE noobs and skilless pilots trolling around in packs with spitfires, and with spitfires that would warrant a perk price as well?
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Guppy35 on April 14, 2012, 10:01:25 PM
Why in gods name would you want to see MORE noobs and skilless pilots trolling around in packs with spitfires, and with spitfires that would warrant a perk price as well?

That's the whine of a Luftwabble.  Just because you don't like RAF birds doesn't mean they're bad.  Luftwhiners just don't like to see birds that can take em down :aok
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 14, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
That's the whine of a Luftwabble.  Just because you don't like RAF birds doesn't mean they're bad.  Luftwhiners just don't like to see birds that can take em down :aok

Lol, for once I didn't mean to insult the spitfire, and people take it in a way that does  :lol.



What I mean is that the spitfire has a high noob to vet ratio, which is undeniable, but it does not get ALL of the noob attention; two slow for some. If we gave it increased speed, there would be no down side to push noobs away from it, and hence it would likely account for almost all sorties of almost all noob pilots, as opposed to what I would guess is 60% of sorties for 70% percent of the total noob poplulation.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Guppy35 on April 15, 2012, 12:25:19 AM
Lol, for once I didn't mean to insult the spitfire, and people take it in a way that does  :lol.



What I mean is that the spitfire has a high noob to vet ratio, which is undeniable, but it does not get ALL of the noob attention; two slow for some. If we gave it increased speed, there would be no down side to push noobs away from it, and hence it would likely account for almost all sorties of almost all noob pilots, as opposed to what I would guess is 60% of sorties for 70% percent of the total noob poplulation.

Yeah but us Spitfire historian types have been apologizing for it back in Airwarror and in AH.  No more!  I love that plane :)

There is no need to push noobs away from it, as it is what it was.  An easy to fly, forgiving airplane that did a lot of things well.  I'd still rather run into Spits then guys who won't stick around and fight :aok
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Karnak on April 15, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
Lol, for once I didn't mean to insult the spitfire, and people take it in a way that does  :lol.
You didn't mean to insult us by being insulting?

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What I mean is that the spitfire has a high noob to vet ratio, which is undeniable, but it does not get ALL of the noob attention; two slow for some. If we gave it increased speed, there would be no down side to push noobs away from it, and hence it would likely account for almost all sorties of almost all noob pilots, as opposed to what I would guess is 60% of sorties for 70% percent of the total noob poplulation.
Nope.  The P-51, F4U and Bf109 would always have there share.  Have you looked at the usage numbers lately?  The P-51D is approaching three times the usage of the Spitfire Mk XVI, yet all one hears is whines about the Spitfires.  That schtick is getting really old.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: LCADolby on April 15, 2012, 09:59:58 AM
Can I have a 109 E7 and E3 please while we're at it. :D
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Butcher on April 15, 2012, 10:09:41 AM
You didn't mean to insult us by being insulting?
Nope.  The P-51, F4U and Bf109 would always have there share.  Have you looked at the usage numbers lately?  The P-51D is approaching three times the usage of the Spitfire Mk XVI, yet all one hears is whines about the Spitfires.  That schtick is getting really old.

P-51, Spit 16 and La7, Fw190d9 always get tagged - mainly due to "lack" of experience flying it, nothing has ever changed. Frankly the ones who whined are the ones who get Ho'd instead of avoiding it - and whine.

Frankly they are nothing more then targets to me, I can think of VERY few standout sticks in those 4 planes, and I could probably count them all on one hand.

Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Rob52240 on April 15, 2012, 10:46:45 AM
P-51, Spit 16 and La7, Fw190d9 always get tagged - mainly due to "lack" of experience flying it, nothing has ever changed. Frankly the ones who whined are the ones who get Ho'd instead of avoiding it - and whine.

Frankly they are nothing more then targets to me, I can think of VERY few standout sticks in those 4 planes, and I could probably count them all on one hand.



I like all of those planes and I think they find favor with others simply because they all fly well and go really fast.
I rather like the spit too and consider it to be among the easiest planes to fly in aces high.  My first impression flying the spit (I avoided it for the first year or two due to the dweebery stuff) was that it flew exactly the way I wanted it to fly.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Guppy35 on April 15, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
Can I have a 109 E7 and E3 please while we're at it. :D

The E-7 would be a nice addition. The E-3 wouldn't give us anything different then the E-4
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Greebo on April 15, 2012, 03:13:30 PM
I don't like the idea of people with perks being able to buy an uprated engine or better fuel. It is hard enough for newbies as it is in this game and knowing that the better pilots also have better planes would be a real turnoff for them. It would also be too unbalancing in favour of the Allied planeset.

Besides, what's wrong with the Tempest for running down 190s and 109s?
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Noir on April 16, 2012, 03:08:25 AM
+1 on greebo...sorry boss  :neener:
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Ruah on April 16, 2012, 03:46:46 AM
double post - apologies
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Ruah on April 16, 2012, 03:50:32 AM
I'd still rather run into Spits then guys who won't stick around and fight :aok

this

the 51/Dora runners are far worse for me then the spits - at least a spit will turn into a fight and tak it low and slow with confidence then take the HO, break up for the rope, and when those two moves fail, dive down for the pick and 'extend' out to repeat the process.  That kind of fighting forces a pilot to either break and go look for another fight or get a plane that can keep up (of which there are 2 other then the 51 - the dora and the k4 <and la7 if they take it to very low>).  When I get a 51 to roll with me, I a cheering inside because either 1) this guy is good or 2) this guy is trying to become better.  I know some pilots fly for score, and that is really a shame.

I personally don't feel the spit14 needs the perk - but considering how people fly the 51/Dora, I am afraid it would just be used as one of those sorts of planes.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: LilMak on April 16, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
If you need an over boosted spit, you've got issues.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Butcher on April 16, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
I don't like the idea of people with perks being able to buy an uprated engine or better fuel. It is hard enough for newbies as it is in this game and knowing that the better pilots also have better planes would be a real turnoff for them. It would also be too unbalancing in favour of the Allied planeset.

Besides, what's wrong with the Tempest for running down 190s and 109s?


Tempest works just fine catching runners, the other day I was chasing down a Fw190d9, I was doing 405mph at 2.9k with wep on, the Dora must of burned off his wep because I closed from 1.2k to 400 before he tried to jynx in which i slammed on the breaks and put a burst into him.

Although most won't spent 60 perks, I think its well worth the perk value :)
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: 715 on April 16, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
If you need an over boosted spit, you've got issues.

Source                                                           Type                init ROC fpm              boost
         
Squadron pub #39                                            Vb                     4750                         
Sovereign Series "Spitfire"                                LF.V                     4720                        18
"AC of WWII"  by Chant                                     Vb                     3950                             
"Spitfire The History", Morgan & Shacklady        F.V or LF.V              4740                        18
         
Aces High                                                    V (mil pwr)             2750                         8.5
Aces High                                                    V (WEP)                3200                        11.5


Are you saying I should be perfectly satisfied with an underboosted Spit V?
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: LilMak on April 16, 2012, 02:46:57 PM
Are you saying I should be perfectly satisfied with an underboosted Spit V?[/table]
Nope. Bruv sounds like he's asking to spend perks to boost the spit beyond its rating so he can (presumably) run down ponies and 262s. And I'm saying, that you have a serious case of the dweebs if you need to make the best all around (non perked) fighter in the game even better.
Title: Re: Perked Boost Spits
Post by: Karnak on April 16, 2012, 03:14:53 PM
Nope. Bruv sounds like he's asking to spend perks to boost the spit beyond its rating so he can (presumably) run down ponies and 262s. And I'm saying, that you have a serious case of the dweebs if you need to make the best all around (non perked) fighter in the game even better.
Not beyond its rating, simply to its rating on 150 octane.


That said, I don't think it is possible for the flight model to be dynamically changed that way.  I do think the Mk XIV should be remodeled to +21lbs boost on 150 octane as it needs to justify its perked status, but I wouldn't change any of the free Spits.