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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ABDCWOT on April 13, 2012, 06:41:03 PM
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Hmmmm....
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/14/david-cameron-spitfires-buried-burma?cat=world&type=article
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Let's try this again...
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/14/david-cameron-spitfires-buried-burma?cat=world&type=article
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not working?
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Yeah it's working. This story is unbelievable! I wonder what condition they'll be in.
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20 crated XIVs! if they were shipped and buried carefully (yeah thats likely ...) they may be in great condition.
hopefully they will be rebuilt, tested thoroughly and our XIV will be remodelled based on the results so it isnt such a bouncy-nosed bstard :pray
nice one Dave :aok
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I hope he finds every one of them! :x
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Crated aircraft buried in the crates they were shipped in is beyond intriguing! There are many aircraft that have been dug up after being buried with bulldozers that yield significant troves of parts and structure to make them very usable again. Beyond that, the very significance of the airframes make them treasures as to what they are!
Very cool!
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I can only imagine the condition, if they were still in their factory crates, they should be pristine. What an amazing story, hope he does find them all.
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Last time I looked Burma has a rainy season & it's in the tropics wood & water & soil & 65+plus years :headscratch: Not a good combination. Hopefully they may be able to get one out of it all.
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Last time I looked Burma has a rainy season & it's in the tropics wood & water & soil & 65+plus years :headscratch: Not a good combination. Hopefully they may be able to get one out of it all.
New Guinea is just as bad.
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There are supposed to be some 17's,25's and other such aircraft buried around the Pueblo airport. There are some pretty strange lumps and hills just east of the field before you see the lumps out at the chemical depot.
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20 crated XIVs! if they were shipped and buried carefully (yeah thats likely ...) they may be in great condition.
hopefully they will be rebuilt, tested thoroughly and our XIV will be remodelled based on the results so it isnt such a bouncy-nosed bstard :pray
nice one Dave :aok
+1 I'm going to vote tory if he does this!! :aok
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:D
most reports are now saying they are Mk IIs ... delivered in '45 ... :headscratch:
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+1 I'm going to vote tory if he does this!! :aok
Up with the Whigs!
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Last time I looked Burma has a rainy season & it's in the tropics wood & water & soil & 65+plus years :headscratch: Not a good combination. Hopefully they may be able to get one out of it all.
It makes me sick to think about those brand new war planes just rusting away like that. It'd be a miracle if they can salvage enough usable parts to build one complete plane. :frown:
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really depends on the condition the crates were in when buried, if they were still sealed and carefully concealed the parts could be completely intact.
tree roots would be the biggest threat, especially in an ideal growing climate like that :uhoh
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Buried 40 feet down :headscratch: Feeling a little more optimistic.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9203822/Spitfires-buried-in-Burma-during-war-to-be-returned-to-UK.html
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40' down? I thought they were hiding them from the Japanese not subterranean mole people :confused:
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Crated aircraft buried in the crates they were shipped in is beyond intriguing! There are many aircraft that have been dug up after being buried with bulldozers that yield significant troves of parts and structure to make them very usable again. Beyond that, the very significance of the airframes make them treasures as to what they are!
Very cool!
This one is NOT a myth according to Mr. Spitfire Peter Arnold. He helped get the last batch of Burmese Spits out. These are RAF birds that were buried during a politically unsettled time with the possible intent of recovering them later. XIVs and possibly some VIIIs.
Very exciting if they somehow survived.
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40' down? I thought they were hiding them from the Japanese not subterranean mole people :confused:
which is odd, since everyone knows 14's are crap down low
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Bet they find a bunch of womens dresses with them. ;)
Still a cool find
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which is odd, since everyone knows 14's are crap down low
:D
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I will believe it when they show the radar images and pics the got from the bore hole camera.
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And finally, he found the Spitfires, at a location that is being kept a closely guarded secret.
Mr Cundall said: “We sent a borehole down and used a camera to look at the crates. They seemed to be in good condition.”
Digging starts in less than 3 weeks!!!
I can't wait for this, I hope and pray they are in good condition, or at least in a condition that lends itself well to restoration. Perhaps Bodhi can give us some incites into what the possibilities etc are.
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Digging starts in less than 3 weeks!!!
I can't wait for this, I hope and pray they are in good condition, or at least in a condition that lends itself well to restoration. Perhaps Bodhi can give us some incites into what the possibilities etc are.
Let's hope! A whole squad of new spits!!! WOW!!
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A ton of variables exist GMan so it is impossible to tell. If they were indeed buried with the intent of later recovery, they may have been gently placed in predug pits or if they were indeed left in the shipping crates and just shoved in, they could be junk because of all the voids created that allow air and moisture to do their job. In the aircraft I have seen or worked on recovered from burials it can be a mix bag. Usually the exterior skin is lost, but the structure is generally in very good shape. Either way, these aircraft could very well prove to be amazing time capsules, or bundles of corroded metal suitable only for display as is.... It all depends on a variety of factors environmental and placement factors.
I am crossing my fingers, hoping they are usable!
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Blah blah blah blah gents... Lets just see what happens. Jeez.
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There is a post in general discussions & has this link.
They said the camera down the bore hole showed the crates in good condition as well as teak beams over the crates to stop the weight of the soil crushing them. Also ground radar shows the wings beside the fuselage :x
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/burma/9204921/British-farmers-quest-to-find-lost-Spitfires-in-Burma.html
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“They were just buried there in transport crates,” Mr Cundall said. “They were waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred. They will be in near perfect condition.”
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“They were just buried there in transport crates,” Mr Cundall said. “They were waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred. They will be in near perfect condition.”
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Sounds like someones mullet
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a squaddie used to work for a spit resto/remanufacture company, he told me any spit by now would have to have every single rivet replaced to be airworthy (alloy/steel not being a great combo...) so I guess thats the minimum work if they are perfectly stored. alot cheaper than getting them to build the components from scratch though (iirc ~£350k for a pair of wings).
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20 crated XIVs! if they were shipped and buried carefully (yeah thats likely ...) they may be in great condition.
hopefully they will be rebuilt, tested thoroughly and our XIV will be remodelled based on the results so it isnt such a bouncy-nosed bstard :pray
nice one Dave :aok
The Griffons, the griffons ALONE!!!!!
WOW!@
Edit: gearboxes too!!!
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But if they are wrapped, waxed and greased like they should have been, rivets would be a pleasure to replace.
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Like a treasure chest stuffed with priceless booty, as many as 20 World War II-era Spitfire planes are perfectly preserved, buried in crates beneath Burma -- and after 67 years underground, they're set to be uncovered.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/burmese-treasure-weve-done-some-pretty-silly-things-but-the-silliest-was-burying-the-spitfires-20120415-1x1kn.html (http://www.smh.com.au/world/burmese-treasure-weve-done-some-pretty-silly-things-but-the-silliest-was-burying-the-spitfires-20120415-1x1kn.html)
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/19/buried-treasure-in-burma-squadron-lost-wwii-spitfires-to-be-exhumed/?intcmp=features (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/19/buried-treasure-in-burma-squadron-lost-wwii-spitfires-to-be-exhumed/?intcmp=features)
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Thread already exists about the Burmese Spitfires and I think people are being highly optimistic about the condition of the planes. 70 years buried in a hot, humid jungle is going to take its toll no matter how carefully the planes were packaged up.
ack-ack
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Yeah, I see the thread from last week now. :bhead
The one article was dated today so I thought it was new news.
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Thread already exists about the Burmese Spitfires and I think people are being highly optimistic about the condition of the planes. 70 years buried in a hot, humid jungle is going to take its toll no matter how carefully the planes were packaged up.
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Doubt it is hot 40 ft underground. :headscratch:
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Was sitting here reading the article and heard a Large thump on the underside of my desk.....Schwing :bolt:
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Thread already exists about the Burmese Spitfires and I think people are being highly optimistic about the condition of the planes. 70 years buried in a hot, humid jungle is going to take its toll no matter how carefully the planes were packaged up.
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It's a lottery, alright - but we do have ~20 tickets. :aok
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Midway's gonna go nuts
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/19/buried-treasure-in-burma-squadron-lost-wwii-spitfires-to-be-exhumed/
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(http://cdn2.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/5638/Repost.jpg)
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Aparently though, as demonstrated, the majority of this community relys solely on FOX news for their information.... scarey times, very scarey times indeed.
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Aparently though, as demonstrated, the majority of this community relys solely on FOX news for their information.... scarey times, very scarey times indeed.
Fox and CNN are nothing but entertainment corporations designed to raise hits for ad money. To them accuracy is something that happens sometimes. You need to get your News from a real News source.
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It's a lottery, alright - but we do have ~20 tickets. :aok
nicely put :D
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..... You need to get your News from a real News source.
is there such a thing now a days :headscratch:
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Fox and CNN are nothing but entertainment corporations designed to raise hits for ad money. To them accuracy is something that happens sometimes. You need to get your News from a real News source.
Shuffler, can you recommend a good news source? not being sarcastic or anything,serious question.
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Squadron of lost WWII Spitfires to be exhumed
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/19/buried-treasure-in-burma-squadron-lost-wwii-spitfires-to-be-exhumed/#ixzz1stVrUIk1
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another one... :bhead
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Shuffler, can you recommend a good news source? not being sarcastic or anything,serious question.
I completely understand lambo. Generally stick with your closest news or the nearest city. While news happens 24 hours a day.... it does not take 24 hours to pass it along.
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As I said on the other two threads about this: I would literally give anything to be able to be on that dig.
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As I said on the other two threads about this: I would literally give anything to be able to be on that dig.
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might be old news, but seriously how cool is this.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/19/buried-treasure-in-burma-squadron-lost-wwii-spitfires-to-be-exhumed/
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OLD NEWS< STOP NAO
lulz
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Thought the guys around here would get a kick out of this:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/01/dogfight-over-buried-wwii-spitfires-in-burma/ (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/01/dogfight-over-buried-wwii-spitfires-in-burma/)
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Search is your friend :)
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Anyone hear any scoop/update about this? It has been a couple weeks I think...
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Anyone hear any scoop/update about this? It has been a couple weeks I think...
yeah, we all know what happens in two weeks.
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Well, I'm just thinking in line to what we've been told, one would assume they've already started digging up a couple (as a wise man once said "hurry up, before they change their mind").
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Probably worthless news tripe..but than...http://news.discovery.com/history/world-war-spitfire-britian-found-burma-plane-120502.html (http://news.discovery.com/history/world-war-spitfire-britan-found-burma-plane-120502.html) humm can't get link right, but search discovery.com...... you brit lot know who this 'Boultbee Brooks' is? Sounds bit like 'Sloughty-bart-fast'...
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The concerns of the condition of the spit my not be bad. In fact, if they are buried 40 in the ground and in creates, they are all protect from the environment of Burma. However, the location could change my remarks as well as yours. Most of Burma lies between the Tropic of Cancer and the Equator. The Tropic of Cancer divides the country into two regions: the tropical south that covers two-thirds of the country, and the sub-tropical and temperate north, which is the remaining one-third of Burma. This causes two distinct seasons: the dry season from mid-October to Mid-May, and the wet season.
There is a cooler spell during the wet season from December to February. The coastal regions and the western and southeastern ranges receive more than 200 inche of precipitation annually, while the delta regions receive about 100 inches. The central region is not only positioned away from the sea but also on the drier, lee side- in the rain shadow- of the Rakhine Mountains. Precipitation gradually decreases northward until in the region’s dry zone it amounts to only 20 to 40 inches per year. The Shan Plateau, because of its elevation, usually receives between 75 and 80 inches annually.
With that you need to look at the type of soil that they buried it. Burma dominate soil group is acrisol. From what I read, acrisol has a pourops surface soils under the protective of the forest. This hold true for most soil groups in Burmuda. However, when not protected, the A-horizon is degraded and slakes to form a hard surface. This will aloud insufficint penatration of the water during the wet season. The info that I am trying to find is how deep the horizon are and better info on the properties. From the sound of it is really deep if they are to buried it 40 feet.
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....124 new Spitfires?! Now this is getting interesting.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Dogfight_Burmese_Spitfires_206608-1.html (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Dogfight_Burmese_Spitfires_206608-1.html)
British farmer and aviation history buff David Cundall now says there are 124 new Spitfires buried in Myanmar (formerly Burma) and he knows where 60 of them are. As we reported two weeks ago, Cundall stunned the aviation world with news that he had found at least 20 crated, brand-new Spitfires wrapped in protective paper and tar to preserve them. Whether he'll be able to capitalize on his stunning discovery is in question, however, as treasure hunters from all over the world race against each other and the impending monsoon season to dig the pickled aircraft up. In an email exchange a week ago, Cundall told AVweb he was having problems with financial backers who now may be rivals for the treasure trove. Cundall has not returned subsequent email and phone messages from AVweb. He did, however, claim in an interview with the Independent that a British businessman is trying to hijack the project with the help of the country's prime minister.
Cundall told AVweb he had originally struck a deal with an American backer to fund the recovery of the aircraft but it fell through. He was then approached by Steve Boultbee Brooks, a land developer and aviation buff who owns a two-seat Spitfire. He alleges Boultbee Brooks, who accompanied Prime Minister David Cameron on a trade and political mission to Myanmar two weeks ago, used his attendance on the trip to engineer discussions between Cameron and Myanmar President Thein Sein on repatriation of the aircraft. Brooks does indeed appear to be assuming a lead role in digging up the planes.
In an email to AVweb, Brooks' public relations consultant Elizabeth Tagge declined an interview but said there will soon be public access to news on the effort. "The team is entirely focused on the next stage of the project at this point and won't be giving interviews just yet," Tagge said. "However, there should be a Facebook page up soon, which we'll update when there is news to help keep everyone aware of progress."
Meanwhile, Brooks himself told the Independent that he hopes Cundall will be "on board" with the recovery effort. Cundall says he'll be involved all right, as the holder of all the important cards in a high-stakes game that involves cutting the Myanmar government in for 40 percent of the proceeds from the sale of the aircraft. "We were issued a permit to dig, which is still a valid and exclusive agreement," he said. "The President of Burma wants to do business with me." Cundall said he has a buyer who will take all the aircraft at about $1.5 million each. Boultbee Brooks said it would be a shame for the aircraft to end up anywhere but Britain and he noted there are other groups in the U.S., Israel and Australia hoping to claim the aircraft. "What a terrible day this is when the prime minister has gone out and got a British team, we put a British team together, and then we squabble so much that we allow other nations to walk in and take the Spitfires from under our noses," he said.
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I might buy one :old:
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124 Spitfires? That would be something to see. However the squabbling is getting silly. Cundell needs to ease up. Sure he has first call but he surely needs the resources of someone like Brooks to get them out of the ground. If not then someone else will come in and steal the lot from under their noses.
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I have a spade :old:
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I have a spade :old:
Seriously. Have spade, will travel.
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Too bad the news is worldwide.
A local chieftan will surely dig them up, destroy them, and sell the aluminum for scrap.
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Too bad the news is worldwide.
A local chieftan will surely dig them up, destroy them, and sell the aluminum for scrap.
NO! Don't wish that on those aircraft!
**** it! I'll start digging for free! All I need is food. Give me some MRE's and an E-Tool. By God I'll save those air craft! Hell, if you want - let me keep one for the unpaid labor. I'll go in swingin' like a mad man. Bad back and all!
I'm 100% serious. If there was a way to get a hold of this guy and do this, I would.
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i have a spitfire buried in my back garden right where i need some footings digging :old:
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Surely one of them will end up in the local Auction Hunters series. :D
HOLY CRAP, dude whats this...... cut to commercial
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i have a spitfire buried in my back garden right where i need some footings digging :old:
This seems fishy. Might be my 6th, or even my 7th sense, but I think you're not being 100% honest.
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:)
There was a B17 ball turret in a forest near my house when i was kid, a big hole where is crashed :old:
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NO! Don't wish that on those aircraft!
**** it! I'll start digging for free! All I need is food. Give me some MRE's and an E-Tool. By God I'll save those air craft! Hell, if you want - let me keep one for the unpaid labor. I'll go in swingin' like a mad man. Bad back and all!
I'm 100% serious. If there was a way to get a hold of this guy and do this, I would.
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Hell I want one!!!!! :devil