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Title: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 17, 2012, 12:24:19 AM
For you FAR book worms, I saw a  short runway in a canyon with a white X painted right at the end on both sides. I mean right at the end like to mark the last 10y off.

Private runway? Closed to commercial operation? Don't use the Xe :confused:d portion? Was out of yellow paint?
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: rpm on April 17, 2012, 12:35:48 AM
They could have used the Meigs Field "Daley method".
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: colmbo on April 17, 2012, 12:57:37 AM
The X means the runway/airport is closed to operations.

I have seen some private strips marked with an X to keep folks other than the owner from using it.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Tupac on April 17, 2012, 01:28:39 AM
The X means the runway/airport is closed to operations.

I have seen some private strips marked with an X to keep folks other than the owner from using it.

Yup, we have one here near Canyon Lake that has the exact same thing.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: B4Buster on April 17, 2012, 05:55:41 AM
I like the big flashing X's that are on stands. They look cool at night
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 17, 2012, 07:31:46 AM
The X means the runway/airport is closed to operations.

I have seen some private strips marked with an X to keep folks other than the owner from using it.

No a yellow X is a closed runway, not white. FAA is picky with colors.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: MachFly on April 17, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
No a yellow X is a closed runway, not white. FAA is picky with colors.

I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 07:54:53 AM
I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.

As am I.

The "X" means  that the runway is temporarily closed.  Some commercial airports have a trailer with a big "X" on it for runway/taxiway maintenance.

Color matters not.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Golfer on April 17, 2012, 08:11:32 AM
I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.

The FAA goes out of their way in an AC to denote closure markings as yellow X's. Whether some airports need not consider that guidance applicable because of not receiving federal funding for instance or for any other host of reasons I don't know about, I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to be "pretty sure" about something I know I don't know.

There could always be a notam that says nonstandard runway/taxiway markings. Our local airport honchos went out and painted a hold short line where there wasn't supposed to be one so we had that going for a while.

If its a private strip it may just keep uninvited yahoos away just the same.

Or maybe all you saw was some light from Venus refracted through some swamp gas.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Golfer on April 17, 2012, 08:20:39 AM
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Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: B4Buster on April 17, 2012, 08:27:37 AM
Yep, the raised X's are cool.

I have heard of a few instances where there was a white X marking a closed runway, but was later converted to a yellow X.

Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 08:34:45 AM
Yep, the raised X's are cool.

I have heard of a few instances where there was a white X marking a closed runway, but was later converted to a yellow X.



I attribute it to a lack of yellow paint when it was needed, and laziness thereafter...
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Golfer on April 17, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
I think Frenchy just didn't get the memo that some airports have roman numeral markings and what he saw was just Runway 10
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 17, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
As am I.

The "X" means  that the runway is temporarily closed.  Some commercial airports have a trailer with a big "X" on it for runway/taxiway maintenance.

Color matters not.

Dude, you are freaking me out. Not trying to play God's gift to aviation here, but a professional pilot should pay attention to detail. If you just completed a low RVR landing and your taxiway centerline is solid white ... You might be scratching your wingtip on something, or about to come nose to nose with a car.  Same with your cockpit lights, steady amber, flashing amber, steady red ... Different color for a different action
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 17, 2012, 08:53:52 AM
I think Frenchy just didn't get the memo that some airports have roman numeral markings and what he saw was just Runway 10
:rofl  Dam ICAO.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 09:31:02 AM
Dude, you are freaking me out. Not trying to play God's gift to aviation here, but a professional pilot should pay attention to detail. If you just completed a low RVR landing and your taxiway centerline is solid white ... You might be scratching your wingtip on something, or about to come nose to nose with a car.  Same with your cockpit lights, steady amber, flashing amber, steady red ... Different color for a different action


If there is an "X" I'm probably going to assume that I shouldn't land there...

Besides, you mistake me for someone that prefers runways withOUT grass on them...  :noid
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
Where should the X be?

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Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 17, 2012, 09:51:58 AM
I hear you Messa, don't want to 'assume', maybe a white X stands for 'free topless plane wash'. :pray

Btw, on a grass runway you dont put Xs, you put cows. (even if with a bad play on words some of your Exs could be cows).
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 09:59:07 AM
I hear you Messa, don't want to 'assume', maybe a white X stands for 'free topless plane wash'. :pray

Btw, on a grass runway you dont put Xs, you put cows. (even if with a bad play on words some of your Exs could be cows).

I think I would rather hit a car, than a cow  :O
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Golfer on April 17, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
If you hit a car you arrive at a wreck.  If you hit a cow, you just arrived at a BBQ. I vote cow.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: PFactorDave on April 17, 2012, 10:39:30 AM
They could have used the Meigs Field "Daley method".

I remember that.  Stranded a bunch of aircraft that were parked there.  Nothing like making your Xs with a back hoe.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: VonMessa on April 17, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
If you hit a car you arrive at a wreck.  If you hit a cow, you just arrived at a BBQ. I vote cow.

Well, since you put it that way...  :D
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 17, 2012, 10:46:30 AM
I vote cow too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGhMb06ZLBY
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: 1sum41 on April 17, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
I vote cow too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGhMb06ZLBY
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: jigsaw on April 18, 2012, 01:38:28 AM
In Chicago they just bulldoze the X into the runway.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Reschke on April 18, 2012, 10:07:26 AM
Look at the runways in Appalachicola Municpal Airport in Florida. They have both white and yellow X's on the closed runways.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: Shuffler on April 18, 2012, 11:58:16 AM
Look at the runways in Appalachicola Municpal Airport in Florida. They have both white and yellow X's on the closed runways.

Probably because someone keeps trying to put O's next to the X's.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: icepac on April 18, 2012, 12:27:49 PM
The location of the X determines whether the runway is closed temporarily or permanently.

A permanently closed runway will have the Xs covering runway numbers while a temporarily closed runway will leave the runway designation intact.

Yellow paint on the paved areas of an airport usually designate a place where aircraft are not to operate whether by design or because of repairs.

Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 18, 2012, 11:17:22 PM

 
Yellow paint on the paved areas of an airport usually designate a place where aircraft are not to operate whether by design or because of repairs.



Like the centerline of a taxiway? :angel:
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: icepac on April 18, 2012, 11:48:39 PM
I was referencing painted portions such as displaced thresholds.
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 18, 2012, 11:55:24 PM
isn't a displaced threshold white arrows?  :joystick: bah who cares, I'm going to bed. Take off at 6am tomorow  :airplane:
Title: Re: A white x on a runway
Post by: B4Buster on April 19, 2012, 08:09:24 AM
isn't a displaced threshold white arrows?  :joystick: bah who cares, I'm going to bed. Take off at 6am tomorow  :airplane:

Yes it is.

Have fun!