| Rank / Aircraft / Type / ENY / Notes 1 Westland Lysander Bomber/Attack 15 Ord Options include veh supps, 1 troop, 500lb bomb, 2x20mm, 4x .303s. Max spd 210. Think fast Fi156 with teeth. 2 Ju52 Bomber 30 Carries only 5 troops and slower than the C-47 but can also has modest ord options, carries 3x 7.62 guns to spray map room 3 TU-2 Bomber/Attack 10 Fills important Russian bomber gap with something comparable to the Mossie 4 Yak-3 Fighter 10 Air to air terror 5 Beaufighter Fighter/Attack 20 Versatile allied answer to the Me110 6 Me323 Bomber Perked (20 pts) Giant, heavily armed transport aircraft, 15 veh supps/30 troops 7 PBY-5 Bomber 15 Spawns at ports, carries a little ord, can land/takeoff on water in addition to land 8 P-61 Fighter/Attack Perked (10 pts) Yeah… 9 A-26 Attack/Bomber Perked (15pts) Yep. 10 Firefly Fighter/Attack 10 British CV-capable attack craft w 4x20mm mmmms. 11 H8K Bomber 30 Jap amphib transport, spawns at ports, carries 10 troops 12 He111 Bomber 35 Amazing nobody's asked for this before 13 Pe-2 Attack/Bomber 15 Produced in greater numbers than any other aircraft not represented in AH 14 P-63 Fighter/Attack 10 15 AR-196 Fighter/Attack 10 Amphibious recon aircraft w 20mm cannons, small bombs. Spawns at Port 16 Boomerang Fighter/Attack 30 Poor man's Brewster, but hey the Aussies get representation 17 Hs.129 Attack/Bomber 20 German answer to the IL-2 18 D.520 Fighter 30 4x7.5mm guns w 500rds, 1x20mm w 60rds. Better than the early P-40s. "Vive le France!" 19 Ki-43 Fighter/Attack 35 Weak Jap fighter, produced in great numbers 20 PV-2 Attack/Bomber 10 Similar performance to A-20 with 2k more ord, rockets and a tail section that actually lets your tail gunner shoot backwards! 21 Westland Whirlwind Fighter/Attack 20 Twin-Engine Brit fighter with excellent handling and 4x20mms! 22 IL-4 Bomber 15 If the B-17 and He111 were to have a Russian baby... 23 Ki-45 Attack/Bomber 25 Twin-engine Jap fighter 24 Bre.693 Attack/Bomber 30 Fun little turny French tactical bomber 25 Hs.123 Fighter/Attack 40 Rugged German biplane dive bomber 26 P.11 Fighter 40 Look mom, a Polish hangar queen! 27 Ms.406 Fighter 35 France's answer to the Hurricane MkI, also fought with the Finns 28 Sunderland MkIII Bomber Perked (50 pts) British amphib with massive weapons loadouts. ASV radar makes nearby enemy naval groups appear on minimap 29 G.1 Fighter/Attack 40 The Dutch built fighters? 30 KS750 Vehicle 40 German motorcycle with sidecar. Used for fast recon. Options include 1xmachine gun, 1xveh supp (on trailer), 1xtroop |
its really bad when i can only pick out 3 aircraft of that list that would even make it in the game
its really bad when i can only pick out 3 aircraft of that list that would even make it in the gameI don't see any units on the list that are untenable. The ENY/perk/ideas aren't all there, but the units are all viable.
After some thought I got together a list of WWII aircraft that fit AH inclusion criteria. My formula was simple; I tried to objectively grade each type on three criteria: historical significance, fun factor and probable gameplay change. Each criteria was rated on a scale of 1 to 5. History and fun factor scores were multiplied by each other (25 pts possible) and the game change factor was then added on top for a total of 30pts possible. I then rank-ordered the results and included my estimate of ENY. FYI my favorite on the list is the PV-2 Harpoon :rockadd them all now :headscratch: :rofl
Rank / Aircraft / Type / ENY / Notes
1 Westland Lysander Bomber/Attack 15 Ord Options include veh supps, 1 troop, 500lb bomb, 2x20mm, 4x .303s. Max spd 210. Think fast Fi156 with teeth.
2 Ju52 Bomber 30 Carries only 5 troops and slower than the C-47 but can also has modest ord options, carries 3x 7.62 guns to spray map room
3 TU-2 Bomber/Attack 10 Fills important Russian bomber gap with something comparable to the Mossie
4 Yak-3 Fighter 10 Air to air terror
5 Beaufighter Fighter/Attack 20 Versatile allied answer to the Me110
6 Me323 Bomber Perked (20 pts) Giant, heavily armed transport aircraft, 15 veh supps/30 troops
7 PBY-5 Bomber 15 Spawns at ports, carries a little ord, can land/takeoff on water in addition to land
8 P-61 Fighter/Attack Perked (10 pts) Yeah…
9 A-26 Attack/Bomber Perked (15pts) Yep.
10 Firefly Fighter/Attack 10 British CV-capable attack craft w 4x20mm mmmms.
11 H8K Bomber 30 Jap amphib transport, spawns at ports, carries 10 troops
12 He111 Bomber 35 Amazing nobody's asked for this before
13 Pe-2 Attack/Bomber 15 Produced in greater numbers than any other aircraft not represented in AH
14 P-63 Fighter/Attack 10
15 AR-196 Fighter/Attack 10 Amphibious recon aircraft w 20mm cannons, small bombs. Spawns at Port
16 Boomerang Fighter/Attack 30 Poor man's Brewster, but hey the Aussies get representation
17 Hs.129 Attack/Bomber 20 German answer to the IL-2
18 D.520 Fighter 30 4x7.5mm guns w 500rds, 1x20mm w 60rds. Better than the early P-40s. "Vive le France!"
19 Ki-43 Fighter/Attack 35 Weak Jap fighter, produced in great numbers
20 PV-2 Attack/Bomber 10 Similar performance to A-20 with 2k more ord, rockets and a tail section that actually lets your tail gunner shoot backwards!
21 Westland Whirlwind Fighter/Attack 20 Twin-Engine Brit fighter with excellent handling and 4x20mms!
22 IL-4 Bomber 15 If the B-17 and He111 were to have a Russian baby...
23 Ki-45 Attack/Bomber 25 Twin-engine Jap fighter
24 Bre.693 Attack/Bomber 30 Fun little turny French tactical bomber
25 Hs.123 Fighter/Attack 40 Rugged German biplane dive bomber
26 P.11 Fighter 40 Look mom, a Polish hangar queen!
27 Ms.406 Fighter 35 France's answer to the Hurricane MkI, also fought with the Finns
28 Sunderland MkIII Bomber Perked (50 pts) British amphib with massive weapons loadouts. ASV radar makes nearby enemy naval groups appear on minimap
29 G.1 Fighter/Attack 40 The Dutch built fighters?
30 KS750 Vehicle 40 German motorcycle with sidecar. Used for fast recon. Options include 1xmachine gun, 1xveh supp (on trailer), 1xtroop
nonsense pure nonsense every plane there can make it if flown correctly
good list! but the He111 not beeing asked for before? u trollin'?
nonsense pure nonsense every plane there can make it if flown correctly
I don't see any units on the list that are untenable. The ENY/perk/ideas aren't all there, but the units are all viable.now boys and girls let us take a look
now boys and girls let us take a lookYou need to do more research on some of those.
first thing i see
ME321 hmm dont think that is useful *toss*
H8K why? no subs
Breguet 693 why? again tell me why we need this
Hs.123 yep i bet it would get used almost as much as the sbd dived by 2!!!!!!
ar 196 what would this add?
IL4 waste of resorces we need to Pe2 FIRST
sunderland hmm a lanc that dose not have the one thing that makes a LANC a lanc
p61 hmm mabey but not now.
now boys and girls let us take a look:rolleyes: :bhead
first thing i see
ME321 hmm dont think that is useful *toss*
H8K why? no subs
Breguet 693 why? again tell me why we need this
Hs.123 yep i bet it would get used almost as much as the sbd dived by 2!!!!!!
ar 196 what would this add?
IL4 waste of resorces we need to Pe2 FIRST
sunderland hmm a lanc that dose not have the one thing that makes a LANC a lanc
p61 hmm mabey but not now.
You missed an important criteria. Available flight test data.
Not enough Japanese A/C on this list. No J2M, no Ki-44, no Ki-100. Blahhhh... To much German/American A/C.
Wouldn't it be nice for some different A/C for folks to fly their Spit16, P-51, and K4's against.
Wait here comes the hanger queen argument, which basically means "I'm not good enough to fly that plane in the MA, so nobody will."
You forget 80% in the game play arcade style, very few actually read history or know anything other then "zomg p51 best fighter EVER!!!"
Yokosuka MXY8 Ohka "BAKA:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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you forget we arent here to learn history, we are here to play a game. as cool as it would be to fly some of them, they would suck big time against what we already have in the game except for a few. so if we gonna add something, let's add something we actually gonna use otherwise what is the point. see how everybody wanted the b29 and some of the p40's? I go weeks without seeing one.
semp
you forget we arent here to learn history, we are here to play a game. as cool as it would be to fly some of them, they would suck big time against what we already have in the game except for a few. so if we gonna add something, let's add something we actually gonna use otherwise what is the point. see how everybody wanted the b29 and some of the p40's? I go weeks without seeing one.
semp
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
its really bad when i can only pick out 3 aircraft of that list that would even make it in the game
Well not all of us fit into that category. I for one love a good challenge. If I never lost a fight I wouldn't play this game.
This game is still 90% pilot and 10% plane. Way to much is put on the A/C's top speed when the pilots choices have way more to do with success in this game than needing the next plane added to be fast and well armed.
Yep, anyone can land 2 kills in a late war fighter, try to see how hard it is in an early war vs late war fighter. To me its more perks to land 2 in a 30 eny plane then it is in a P51..
If I wanted to scoretard, sure I'd pick a tempest for an entire tour, few tours ago I managed #1 in fighters in a C.205 and P38J by luck Bruv decided to ignore it to capture his #1 overall rank.
I am looking forward to aircraft like the D.520 and Ki-43, interesting challenge :)
and yet there are lots of us who couldnt care less about the perks or the points. we fly the planes we fly because we have fun with them. we already have enough airplanes that are slow as hell with little to no guns. why add more that will hardly get used? I would rather see the a26 and the bike with the side car and a machine gun. now those 2 would be fun to have.
btw the c205 is by far not one of the hardest airplanes to get kills on. I have flown it before and it's pretty easy to get kills.
semp
and yet there are lots of us who couldnt care less about the perks or the points. we fly the planes we fly because we have fun with them. we already have enough airplanes that are slow as hell with little to no guns. why add more that will hardly get used? I would rather see the a26 and the bike with the side car and a machine gun. now those 2 would be fun to have.
btw the c205 is by far not one of the hardest airplanes to get kills on. I have flown it before and it's pretty easy to get kills.
semp
of course it is when they are sitting on the runway :bolt:
Hell, any plane added is a good one. Just because one person don't use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. No one ever flies the B5N2, so Should it be removed from the game? No.
Likewise, if people won't fly a Ki-43, D.520 or Ki-27, should it never be added to the game?
ah shut up before i make you run again :D.
semp
and yet there are lots of us who couldnt care less about the perks or the points. we fly the planes we fly because we have fun with them. we already have enough airplanes that are slow as hell with little to no guns. why add more that will hardly get used? I would rather see the a26 and the bike with the side car and a machine gun. now those 2 would be fun to have.Neither the A-26 nor the bike with the side car would see much use. The A-26 because it will be perk limited and the bike with the side car because it is far, far, far less capable and useful than the Ki-43 that you deride so much.
btw the c205 is by far not one of the hardest airplanes to get kills on. I have flown it before and it's pretty easy to get kills.
semp
Neither the A-26 nor the bike with the side car would see much use. The A-26 because it will be perk limited and the bike with the side car because it is far, far, far less capable and useful than the Ki-43 that you deride so much.
I am sorry that history doesn't matter to you, but some of us do care about it. The Ki-43, and other aircraft that you dismiss, would see some use. Just because you've never heard of a J2M or Ki-44 doesn't mean they are useless and shouldn't be added.
Neither the A-26 nor the bike with the side car would see much use. The A-26 because it will be perk limited and the bike with the side car because it is far, far, far less capable and useful than the Ki-43 that you deride so much.
I am sorry that history doesn't matter to you, but some of us do care about it. The Ki-43, and other aircraft that you dismiss, would see some use. Just because you've never heard of a J2M or Ki-44 doesn't mean they are useless and shouldn't be added.
listen the reason the Japanese had some really good success with crappy airplanes was because the other guys either didnt have any airplanes or had even worst planes than the Japanese. Once we started bringing better airplanes we kicked the butts all the way to Japan. as cool as it would be to have every single airplane out there. the fricking a26 was used with more success than some obsolete Japanese bomber that were only able to bomb because it had no opposition. as soon as there was opposition guess what, they all got shot down.
as for the bike with the side car. that would be a squad event. I'll bet it would even be racing events. I know we would.
semp
Japanese bombers were obsolete huh? why not read up on the Prince of Wales and Repulse, those "crappy" bombers sank the prize of the Royal Navy.
listen the reason the Japanese had some really good success with crappy airplanes was because the other guys either didnt have any airplanes or had even worst planes than the Japanese. Once we started bringing better airplanes we kicked the butts all the way to Japan. as cool as it would be to have every single airplane out there. the fricking a26 was used with more success than some obsolete Japanese bomber that were only able to bomb because it had no opposition. as soon as there was opposition guess what, they all got shot down.The US pilots who test flew the J2M after the war was over spoke of its handling in glowing terms. As you may have noticed in AH, the Japanese fighters aren't exactly junk. Once again, reading some history might be instructive to you, or perhaps you need to take off those nationalistic glasses.
as for the bike with the side car. that would be a squad event. I'll bet it would even be racing events. I know we would.
semp
It wasn't the planes that made a difference, it was the pilots. Look at the Japanese Navy before and after the battle of midway, it disappeared. They failed to train pilots, and if you look further in the Guadalcanal campaign, most of the aces of the tainan air group were far better pilots then anything the american's had or any other country besides Germany at the time. The constant combat over Guadalcanal / Moresby which was hundreds of miles away, the stress of combat and losses took its toll. Eventually the Japanese could not replace its losses and ended up putting rookies in the fighters.
Before Midway the US navy couldn't touch the Japanese one on one, fact the KB was far to strong and the American's simply didn't have the training to match the Japanese even with an equal carrier battle.
The Japanese were not looking for a perlonged war either, they hoped with the smashing of the Pearl Harbor battleships (and carriers) the U.S. would be more interesting in sidelining in which the Japanese would of been able to build more carriers / battleships.
Germany as well - had trained pilots, but at the time the Me-109 was not exactly the worlds most "advanced" fighter, the D.520 and Spitfire gave it to much trouble in france. You can look at Russia and laugh at the fact the poor Pilot quality was a major problem.
Japanese bombers were obsolete huh? why not read up on the Prince of Wales and Repulse, those "crappy" bombers sank the prize of the Royal Navy.
sorry but ww2 was not a pilot makes the plane thing. it was the plane saves the pilot's butt. once the f6f started then the Japanese knew they couldnt compete as their airplanes werent up to par. and once the b29 were over japan then the Japanese air force or whatever you call it knew it was over. my grandpa flew f6f in the pacific and before then p40's. he thought the p40's were the biggest piece or crap ever created and once he got his hands on an f6f he knew it was over for the Japanese.
semp
sorry but ww2 was not a pilot makes the plane thing. it was the plane saves the pilot's butt. once the f6f started then the Japanese knew they couldnt compete as their airplanes werent up to par.
The USN flew P-40s?
Anyway...what your grandfather failed to point out was that the P-40 was one of the planes that broke the Japanese air force's back in the early part of the war (1942-1943) in the SW Pacific. Of course, it also goes without saying that the AVG was quite successful in that "biggest piece of crap" of a plane.
It's a shame that you're not talking advantage of the opportunity to learn the history of the planes in the game or about the air war itself.
ack-ack
so to be honest, yes I wish every single plane in ww2 was available for some of you guys who like to fly "lower" eny. but to be honest when the tough gets going most of you guys jump on the top of the line just like the rest of us.
semp
My grandfather flew an F6F in the pacific, and before then P-40's. He thought that the P-40's were the biggest piece or crap ever created, and once he got his hands on an F6F, he knew it was over for the Japanese.Lie lie lie lie lie!!! P-40's were probably the greatest plane of the war. The P-40 was the most advanced fighter that took off at Pearl Harbor, the rest were P-35s and P-36s (The Biggest Piece of Crap). You do NOT know what you are talking about! The Flying Tigers, look them up, the P-40 could do a lot of things but stay in a sustained turn. They were rugged, fairly quick for their time (one model was as quick as a P-51, but never introduced due to time of war being late). What was your grand father's name, what squadron did he fly with? Did he transfer to the Navy?
semp
listen the reason the Japanese had some really good success with crappy airplanes was because the other guys either didnt have any airplanes or had even worst planes than the Japanese. Once we started bringing better airplanes we kicked the butts all the way to Japan. as cool as it would be to have every single airplane out there. the fricking a26 was used with more success than some obsolete Japanese bomber that were only able to bomb because it had no opposition. as soon as there was opposition guess what, they all got shot down.
as for the bike with the side car. that would be a squad event. I'll bet it would even be racing events. I know we would.
semp
Really? I know it's the case with you but some of us are happy with our mid-war and earlier planes no matter how tough it gets.
ack-ack
but of course you will come up with some other weapon that was invented before jesus was born that is used all the way now.
semp
A rock. :D
And a stick.
ack-ack
A rock. :D
:rofl
...but to be honest when the tough gets going most of you guys jump on the top of the line just like the rest of us.
After some thought I got together a list of WWII aircraft that fit AH inclusion criteria. My formula was simple; I tried to objectively grade each type on three criteria: historical significance, fun factor and probable gameplay change. Each criteria was rated on a scale of 1 to 5. History and fun factor scores were multiplied by each other (25 pts possible) and the game change factor was then added on top for a total of 30pts possible. I then rank-ordered the results and included my estimate of ENY. FYI my favorite on the list is the PV-2 Harpoon :rock
Rank / Aircraft / Type / ENY / Notes
1 Westland Lysander Bomber/Attack 15 Ord Options include veh supps, 1 troop, 500lb bomb, 2x20mm, 4x .303s. Max spd 210. Think fast Fi156 with teeth.
2 Ju52 Bomber 30 Carries only 5 troops and slower than the C-47 but can also has modest ord options, carries 3x 7.62 guns to spray map room
3 TU-2 Bomber/Attack 10 Fills important Russian bomber gap with something comparable to the Mossie
4 Yak-3 Fighter 10 Air to air terror
5 Beaufighter Fighter/Attack 20 Versatile allied answer to the Me110
6 Me323 Bomber Perked (20 pts) Giant, heavily armed transport aircraft, 15 veh supps/30 troops
7 PBY-5 Bomber 15 Spawns at ports, carries a little ord, can land/takeoff on water in addition to land
8 P-61 Fighter/Attack Perked (10 pts) Yeah…
9 A-26 Attack/Bomber Perked (15pts) Yep.
10 Firefly Fighter/Attack 10 British CV-capable attack craft w 4x20mm mmmms.
11 H8K Bomber 30 Jap amphib transport, spawns at ports, carries 10 troops
12 He111 Bomber 35 Amazing nobody's asked for this before
13 Pe-2 Attack/Bomber 15 Produced in greater numbers than any other aircraft not represented in AH
14 P-63 Fighter/Attack 10
15 AR-196 Fighter/Attack 10 Amphibious recon aircraft w 20mm cannons, small bombs. Spawns at Port
16 Boomerang Fighter/Attack 30 Poor man's Brewster, but hey the Aussies get representation
17 Hs.129 Attack/Bomber 20 German answer to the IL-2
18 D.520 Fighter 30 4x7.5mm guns w 500rds, 1x20mm w 60rds. Better than the early P-40s. "Vive le France!"
19 Ki-43 Fighter/Attack 35 Weak Jap fighter, produced in great numbers
20 PV-2 Attack/Bomber 10 Similar performance to A-20 with 2k more ord, rockets and a tail section that actually lets your tail gunner shoot backwards!
21 Westland Whirlwind Fighter/Attack 20 Twin-Engine Brit fighter with excellent handling and 4x20mms!
22 IL-4 Bomber 15 If the B-17 and He111 were to have a Russian baby...
23 Ki-45 Attack/Bomber 25 Twin-engine Jap fighter
24 Bre.693 Attack/Bomber 30 Fun little turny French tactical bomber
25 Hs.123 Fighter/Attack 40 Rugged German biplane dive bomber
26 P.11 Fighter 40 Look mom, a Polish hangar queen!
27 Ms.406 Fighter 35 France's answer to the Hurricane MkI, also fought with the Finns
28 Sunderland MkIII Bomber Perked (50 pts) British amphib with massive weapons loadouts. ASV radar makes nearby enemy naval groups appear on minimap
29 G.1 Fighter/Attack 40 The Dutch built fighters?
30 KS750 Vehicle 40 German motorcycle with sidecar. Used for fast recon. Options include 1xmachine gun, 1xveh supp (on trailer), 1xtroop
A few related vids I found. I especially liked the PV-2 vid :D
20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_3Dt4mMGL8 (PV-2 - - Somebody just try to tell me this isn't sexy!)