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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: olds442 on May 06, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
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ok so with FULL AA in aces high and grass on. you get frame rate shutter. meaning that you run out of Vram and it uses the harddrive as extra ram. droping a frame rate of say 60 to about 4 until the vram catches back up. well i think Ive found a solution.
OK first turn AA ALL the way to none in aces high.
now quit aces high and download a thing called gameboster 3. it ends processes your not using or don't need improving frame rate alot.
now go in (ATI only idk about nivida) AMD vison and click 3d application settings.
now look for Anti-Aliasing. uncheck the box that says "use application settings" and then pull the slider all the way to the right or 8X(or in the middle 4X AA if your still getting problems)
Ive found this takes away all frame rate shutter in game. and yet no graphics are lost
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why not just get rid of processes you dont need to begin with. this website is highly rated for helping you get rid of unnecessary processes permanently http://www.blackviper.com/.
as for gamebooster. their parent company has been caught stealing virus definitions from other sources. based on that I dont trust it, I also had it and when i uninstalled it, it game me so many problems i had to reinstall my os.
besides why add processes to lower the number of processes? that's what gameboster does. it will add 2 or 3 processes to lower the number of processes you can do on your own. so cut out the middle man.
semp
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I really don't recommend using game booster either, you're better off going to BlackViper like semp suggested and disabling the processes manually.
A system that is tuned and tweaked properly should not require a program like game booster to free up resources.
ack-ack
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Gamebooster is easy to use, no need to know anything in computers for it to be efficient. And If you use your computer for other things than aces high you might don't want those processes to be gone forever! Windows 7 x64 going down to 44 processes with a couple a clicks is not too bad :)
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I really don't recommend using game booster either, you're better off going to BlackViper like semp suggested and disabling the processes manually.
A system that is tuned and tweaked properly should not require a program like game booster to free up resources.
ack-ack
problem with any other program it takes a while to figure out what you need and dont need. game booster also has a video recorder that is pretty good.
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I agree with the others about Iobit. They've been caught, more then once, stealing other companies code. Just recently they took their 'Toolbox' util off their site, and I'm hearing it's because they got caught stealing reg cleaning code from another company. Not a company you wanna trust...
Blackviper is an excellent site. Been using it for years. You can select your o/s pick which services you want disabled, etc, etc, and then the site will create a batch file to do the implementation, and another to restore the system to it's defaults. Simple.
If you want to try a game booster util, then try Jetboost. You can also do a search and find a few other game boost utils that are freely available.
Jetboost:
http://www.bluesprig.com/jetboost.html
Wabb
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You can select your o/s pick which services you want disabled, etc, etc, and then the site will create a batch file to do the implementation, and another to restore the system to it's defaults. Simple.
Wow! Several years ago I asked if someone could code a batch file for this purpose and I was told about FS-Autostart, the predecessor of AlacrityPC. Blackviper sure knows how to serve his non-paying customers. The batch file certainly must be the most lightweight tool for the task, since it doesn't run anything in the background.
Thanks for the information.
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I cringe every time someone mentions they use gamebooster.
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I cringe every time someone mentions they use gamebooster.
Ditto. I've found simply turning off readyboost and superfetch has increased performance.
Coogan
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will windows Aero damper ingame performance? I've read a few benchmarks that indicated it didn't influence anything.
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Aero can impact performance as it reserves a portion of video RAM for its own use. If the video card is running tight on resources, Aero can impact those resources further.
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will windows Aero damper ingame performance? I've read a few benchmarks that indicated it didn't influence anything.
i've seen a good number of instances where aero caused stuttering and other issues in another mmo game. ya just never know.
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I cringe every time someone mentions they use gamebooster.
And with that advice, thanks but NO thanks.
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It's easy to make an option to turn AERO on and off. I found a method that works great at the following website:
http://www.sevenforums.com/customization/141784-turn-aero-off-shortcut-windows-7-desktop-context-menu.html (http://www.sevenforums.com/customization/141784-turn-aero-off-shortcut-windows-7-desktop-context-menu.html)
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I cringe every time someone mentions they use gamebooster.
Started with black viper then installed gamebooster
I ran it once to see what it disabled wrote list down deleted gamebooster and manually stop the processes each time before gameplay
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Gamebooster is easy to use, no need to know anything in computers for it to be efficient. And If you use your computer for other things than aces high you might don't want those processes to be gone forever! Windows 7 x64 going down to 44 processes with a couple a clicks is not too bad :)
I have Windows7-64 and play with only 32 processes running (30, not counting AH and the Properties tab - so all the buttons work on the X-52). Try Black Viper instead. The processes turned off are not "gone forever". You can turn them back on at any time.
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As of June 30th, Gamebooster will no longer be free.
http://www.silobreaker.com/iobit-game-booster-free-ride-ends-on-june-30th-5_2265698404090773583
Sounds like a good time for those using it to check out some of the Freeware alternatives, like Jet Boost, and others.
Wabb
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here's a free one.
http://www.blackviper.com/
semp
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Ditto. I've found simply turning off readyboost and superfetch has increased performance.
Coogan
Readyboost is unnecessary. Turning off superfetch will only cause you longer loading times on commonly used applications.
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Readyboost is unnecessary. Turning off superfetch will only cause you longer loading times on commonly used applications.
Actually, superfetch on Vista was a process hog as it would load everything it could, until memory was exhausted. During that time everything ran horribly and then if you wanted to run an application it did not load (quickly earning the nickname of "stupidfetch"), you would wait forever for memory to clear so the app could load and run.
Some of the misbehaving was corrected for Windows 7, but there are still times when it misses and it can add to the load time of an application.
It is just not worth it.
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Readyboost is unnecessary. Turning off superfetch will only cause you longer loading times on commonly used applications.
haven't noticed that on any of my personal systems...side by side testing at work with 2 fresh images on exact same systems, starting ms word 2010 repeatedly showed mere milliseconds in difference. not worth the extra memory load.
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haven't noticed that on any of my personal systems...side by side testing at work with 2 fresh images on exact same systems, starting ms word 2010 repeatedly showed mere milliseconds in difference. not worth the extra memory load.
By default, once you load an application, all versions of Windows (starting with 98SE) would cache the application, until physical memory for something else was needed. So once you load any given application it is available instantly after that.
Stupidfetch sometimes helps with the first time load, and that is all.
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By default, once you load an application, all versions of Windows (starting with 98SE) would cache the application, until physical memory for something else was needed. So once you load any given application it is available instantly after that.
Stupidfetch sometimes helps with the first time load, and that is all.
hence the reason we repeated the process several times with full power down restarts...
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Actually, superfetch on Vista was a process hog as it would load everything it could, until memory was exhausted. During that time everything ran horribly and then if you wanted to run an application it did not load (quickly earning the nickname of "stupidfetch"), you would wait forever for memory to clear so the app could load and run.
Some of the misbehaving was corrected for Windows 7, but there are still times when it misses and it can add to the load time of an application.
It is just not worth it.
I'd say it's not worth to disable it since I've never seen any benefit in doing so either.
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haven't noticed that on any of my personal systems...side by side testing at work with 2 fresh images on exact same systems, starting ms word 2010 repeatedly showed mere milliseconds in difference. not worth the extra memory load.
You do realize that superfetch will analyze your working patterns for 2 weeks and then it starts to actually affect anything? :)
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You do realize that superfetch will analyze your working patterns for 2 weeks and then it starts to actually affect anything? :)
sounds like my girlfriend.
semp
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I'd say it's not worth to disable it since I've never seen any benefit in doing so either.
Any process, whether it is sleeping or running, in Windows takes up resources and CPU cycles. You can argue to the percentages of what that is, if you like.
For those who want every CPU cycle they can get to run applications, then it is a win for them to disable that process.
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You do realize that superfetch will analyze your working patterns for 2 weeks and then it starts to actually affect anything? :)
:lol come on Ripley, you might want to remove the hook before you get reeled in too far. it doesn't take that long to start affecting the system. as soon as you have the os installed and perform the first full system restart superfetch is peforming part of its touted usefulness...analyzing and caching windows startup files to improve windows boot times. on a slow mechanical drive with a windows install that is old and bloated like you would find on a business laptop, it could be useful. to that point, generally speaking for general business or basic home use, i wouldn't argue against using superfetch. on a dedicated gaming system and/or instances where free memory is more important than program startup speed, no thanks.
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:lol come on Ripley, you might want to remove the hook before you get reeled in too far. it doesn't take that long to start affecting the system. as soon as you have the os installed and perform the first full system restart superfetch is peforming part of its touted usefulness...analyzing and caching windows startup files to improve windows boot times. on a slow mechanical drive with a windows install that is old and bloated like you would find on a business laptop, it could be useful. to that point, generally speaking for general business or basic home use, i wouldn't argue against using superfetch. on a dedicated gaming system and/or instances where free memory is more important than program startup speed, no thanks.
Laugh as much as you want. MS took the lessons from Vista and tuned down superfetch just so it wouldn't work as you described. It won't just cache every program you start from the get-go, it takes statistic data from your usage patterns and then caches the apps you use most frequently. Also, superfetch won't even load the cached stuff right from the boot, it slowly and incrementally fills up the cache in order to prevent bogging down the i/o.
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Any process, whether it is sleeping or running, in Windows takes up resources and CPU cycles. You can argue to the percentages of what that is, if you like.
Which is where the wording 'never seen any benefit' comes from. The theoretical benefit is just too marginal to see with a human eye, then again in practical situations disabling it may result in visibly slower app startup times.
There was a time when I disabled everything possible from win7. I found no performance benefit in doing so, most commonly just the opposite when apps that relied on some rarely used service, failed to function properly. Turn of WPF - fine, untill you happen to launch software that's built on wpf.
The only tuning I do on win7 currently is turn off netbios helper, simple services discovery protocol, and every service in networking except basic ipv4. TCP settings I tweak by setting manual dns (google, opendns). I also disable remote differential compression protocol on gaming machines. Honestly speaking I haven't seen any visible performance gains in doing even any of the above tweaks (except the DNS setting which has been problematic with my isp).
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Just because you do not see a benefit does not mean there is no benefit. Logically, if you remove a program from a computer, which is always using computer cycles and other resources, then it stands to reason said computer cycles will be able to run other programs and use resources freed from terminating that program.
How much of a benefit will strictly depend on the computer and its configuration.
Superfetch has the potential of speeding up the first load of any given application and that is the end of its benefit. After the first load, the application will be cached by the Windows OS thus negating any need for superfetch.
If it is more important that a program might load faster on its first execution, than having the freed resources for any other application to use, then leave superfetch running. Simple.
However, on a resource limited computer, it would be borderline moronic to leave that process running.
If you want every cycle you can get to run a game, or any other system intense application, then disabling superfetch is a good thing.
I also disable "Themes" as it is a huge system resource hog. Disbabling it gives me better transcoding times on my videos. Just FYI. I know having all the 'pretty stuff' is important to a lot of people, so I rarely bring up disabling that service as I get there are many who would be chastised for killing off the 'pretty, fluff stuff' in Windows.
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Just because you do not see a benefit does not mean there is no benefit. Logically, if you remove a program from a computer, which is always using computer cycles and other resources, then it stands to reason said computer cycles will be able to run other programs and use resources freed from terminating that program.
How much of a benefit will strictly depend on the computer and its configuration.
Superfetch has the potential of speeding up the first load of any given application and that is the end of its benefit. After the first load, the application will be cached by the Windows OS thus negating any need for superfetch.
If it is more important that a program might load faster on its first execution, than having the freed resources for any other application to use, then leave superfetch running. Simple.
However, on a resource limited computer, it would be borderline moronic to leave that process running.
If you want every cycle you can get to run a game, or any other system intense application, then disabling superfetch is a good thing.
I also disable "Themes" as it is a huge system resource hog. Disbabling it gives me better transcoding times on my videos. Just FYI. I know having all the 'pretty stuff' is important to a lot of people, so I rarely bring up disabling that service as I get there are many who would be chastised for killing off the 'pretty, fluff stuff' in Windows.
I see your point. However the most efficient way to tune up a current computer is to add resources if they're lacking. Ram is dirt cheap and a 1 minute job to install. Disabling services is currently and even more so in the future, a double edged sword as more and more windows and application code is relying on sometimes surprising services to function properly.
Personally I would go through the route of expanding my current hardware to its limits before starting to strip off win7 - I've seen too many surprising effects caused by a missing service.
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I see your point. However the most efficient way to tune up a current computer is to add resources if they're lacking. Ram is dirt cheap and a 1 minute job to install. Disabling services is currently and even more so in the future, a double edged sword as more and more windows and application code is relying on sometimes surprising services to function properly.
Personally I would go through the route of expanding my current hardware to its limits before starting to strip off win7 - I've seen too many surprising effects caused by a missing service.
adding memory to an existing set can cause issues as well, even if you buy the exact same within months of the original purchase. i know, just buy all new matching. but it's not always so easy, especially if you're system is using an older memory type. not everyone can afford what you can Ripley.
where i work, i get access to the latest craptastic microsoft applications from beta on, and i have yet to encounter anything that was adversely affected by the services i turned off on my systems. if you can read and exercise a little caution, you can prevent issues.
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adding memory to an existing set can cause issues as well, even if you buy the exact same within months of the original purchase. i know, just buy all new matching. but it's not always so easy, especially if you're system is using an older memory type. not everyone can afford what you can Ripley.
where i work, i get access to the latest craptastic microsoft applications from beta on, and i have yet to encounter anything that was adversely affected by the services i turned off on my systems. if you can read and exercise a little caution, you can prevent issues.
2 gb set of ram is like 10 bucks nowadays. If one can't afford that one can't afford to pay AH subscription either.
I have encountered several ill-effects from turning off services. Some apps would not function or functioned with extreme lag, some wouldn't install (most obvious was of course switching off MS installer service), some caused delays in bootup and/or shutdown times... Generally speaking disabling stuff just tends to create more problems than anything else in my experience.
The tweaks I listed earlyer I can recommend for now, that is untill ipv6 starts pushing ipv4 out at which point those old tweaks may bite you in the behind if you forget you did them.
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i don't know where you're getting your prices but, i can't find any ddr or ddr2 2gb sets for $10...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006040%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006040%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
and 4gb sets of ddr2 are even worse...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
none of your theories hold water in real life. for instance, ms installer is set to manual by default in win7, no need to disable it because it doesn't run until you run a program installer that depends on it, then it self terminates.
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i don't know where you're getting your prices but, i can't find any ddr or ddr2 2gb sets for $10...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006040%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006040%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
and 4gb sets of ddr2 are even worse...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006042%20600006065&IsNodeId=1&name=2GB%20%282%20x%201GB%29)
none of your theories hold water in real life. for instance, ms installer is set to manual by default in win7, no need to disable it because it doesn't run until you run a program installer that depends on it, then it self terminates.
Well ok, they're like 20 bucks sorry for blowing your bank :) Down here even with our 23% VAT a kingston DDR2 2gb set is 22 euros, Kingston 4gb set of ddr3 27,90€, 8gb set a whopping 49,90
So upgrading the ram is extremely cost efficient. If someone who has no experience in computers starts to "tweak" and disable processes it soon amounts up to a malfunctioning OS and a high repair cost.
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So upgrading the ram is extremely cost efficient. If someone who has no experience in computers starts to "tweak" and disable processes it soon amounts up to a malfunctioning OS and a high repair cost.
ok ya got me there... :aok
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Now you are off to talking about other services. Disabling "superfetch" will not impact the function of any application in a negative manner.
System RAM is one resource. Sometimes, it is not possible to add more RAM. In those systems you would have to replace the RAM. Replacing RAM can impact the entire system if the speed of the RAM is not identical to what you are replacing. It is quite easy to slow a computer down by replacing 4GB of RAM with 8GB of RAM due to the potentially slower speed/cycles of the larger memory modules.
Also note, there are still CPU cycles lost on superfetch that you cannot get back. You also lose when superfetch decides to read from the hard drive as that freezes the entire I/O and memory bus until that operation is completed. Superfetch will fire off when you are running another application.
It does not hurt to disable superfetch. It is easy enough for each person to try it and decide for themselves if it will help their particular configuration, or not.
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I have windows 7 where is this superfetch located?
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I have windows 7 where is this superfetch located?
run/cmd/services.msc although disabling it will only show as slower app load times, nothing else ;)