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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Noir on May 10, 2012, 05:25:25 AM
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Just unpacked le trackIR5 I received for my birthday (I love my Girlfriend). I Installed the software, plugged it in, centered, launched aces high, mapped the buttons, and centered the view ingame.
I'm rolling a plane offline and as soon as I got the wheels off the runway I got overwhelmed with the feeling of actually flying! I've been playing this game for a decade+ now and the immersion you get with trackIR is brilliant!
Now for the gamey part, I used to have a decent SA and fear it will go down the drain for a while, but that is expected...Is there any way I can use an overnose view without having to put my face on the screen? And a 6 view outside the backplate without falling off my chair? :D
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Now for the gamey part, I used to have a decent SA and fear it will go down the drain for a while, but that is expected...Is there any way I can use an overnose view without having to put my face on the screen? And a 6 view outside the backplate without falling off my chair? :D
Yes, by adjusting the different axis in your profil individually until you have it working right for you. You can make the motion curves more agressive so you don't have to move around in your chair as much, you can make them more responsive but add a deadband so that your view ain't moved around just because you were coughing ;)
It's the most individual controller and you should take your time to find a setting that refelcts your personal preference and circumstances.
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I find it very helpful to have both the TrackIR on/off toggle and "re-center" functions mapped to buttons on my throttle/stick. If you slouch down in your RL seat and re-center TIR, you can get a little bit better over-the-nose view. Likewise if you rotate down a little in pitch and then re-center, you can get a little bit better view of the sky above you. Plus, I find my TIR works best if I keep the reflectors at least arm's length back away from the TIR sending unit. The TIR sure is great for "leaning" around the canopy framing in various planes!
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Track IR is ace, get track clip pro if you can :)
I thought it was banned in France for being too American :)
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Your hat switches still work and will override the TIR input.
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Your hat switches still work and will override the TIR input.
yes I've seen that but they don't use my recorded views when doing it....should I try to record them again with TIR enabled?
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Track IR is ace, get track clip pro if you can :)
I thought it was banned in France for being too American :)
track clip pro seems nice, but it requires one more cord plugged in :frown:
I won't comment the 2nd sentence, you little trouble maker :t
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You will get used to TIR much quicker if you don't use the hat views anymore at all.
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proclip has socket built in to connect to Reciever, so only one usb required :)
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lolwut, TrackIR without a VR headset sounds awful...
If your using a 1 handed joystick, just use the mouse on the opposite hand for views and like described above by bino; map a view centering key on your joystick (preferably near your gun buttons).
Epic viewing on da cheap for the win! lulz
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lolwut, TrackIR without a VR headset sounds awful...
If your using a 1 handed joystick, just use the mouse on the opposite hand for views and like described above by bino; map a view centering key on your joystick (preferably near your gun buttons).
Epic viewing on da cheap for the win! lulz
its pretty good actually, and pretty natural.
My left hand is on my throttle, busy trying to do piloting stuff.
If I don't have to use my view hat anymore I may give my X65 another try :aok
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I had a hell of a time getting used to my TrackIR, in the beginning I battled constant nausea and vertigo. During the first frame of the recent scenario, I had such a bad bout of vertigo that I closed my eyes until it went away. Not something I'd recommend in a scenario! I think I've gotten to the point that switching back to hat switches would make things worse and I'm starting to have an easier time. If you use taters, the device makes shooting MUCH easier as you can more smoothly track the target.
Here are my rules for a good TrackIR experience;
1. Don't even bother using anyone's profile, unless you want to use it as a starting point.
2. If you're a very old hat user, I'd recommend a more aggressive profile so the delay in looking around is similar. However, read rule #1.
3. I found shooting with a gunsight that moved was very frustrating, so I put in a deadband in the center. Nothing is worse or more uncomfortable than having to keep your head perfectly still. However, read rule #1.
4. Disable roll axis and make the x axis (lean side to side) very aggressive to look around canopy bars and armor plate. However, read rule #1.
5. Set a joystick button in Aces High to re-center this device. This is a must, regardless of rule #1.
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I tried TrackIR twice, and although I love the concept of how it works, and the immersive purpose of it in the game, I literally kept getting headaches while using it. Very frustrating. :(
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That will go away... think of it as training your body to do something it doesn't like. I find I skipped meals following my first month or two with TrackIR and actually lost weight because of it.
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I find I skipped meals following my first month or two with TrackIR and actually lost weight because of it.
Too bad it had not the same effect on me :cry
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Fortunately, I never had those problems. I started with a "homemade" TrackIR which used a normal web cam and IR LEDs on a baseball hat. Actually for the price it worked pretty well. Then I got the TrackIR 5 with the Pro Clip (which seems to be very similar to what I had built). I really can't fly without it now. As the others have said, setup your own profile. Also there are some good threads on setup and using TrackIR. Good luck!!!!
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track IR 5 comes with a aces high II preset with a pretty nice deadband already configured.
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I find I skipped meals following my first month or two with TrackIR and actually lost weight because of it.
Oh hell... I normally weigh 160 lbs... I think I'd starve. :D
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I found the preset was a good start. I "toned" it down in the center and aggressive as I turned my head. Hope it all helps...
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The things that helped me...
- Like Del said, uncheck the roll axis. Doing this really helped me to get used to TrackIR. Then after a month or so I was able to add it back without a problem.
- Like Del said again, add a little deadband to the center so you can get a good gunsight view.
- Pause TrackIR and position your view raised in the seat a little, but with the center of the gunsight still visible. Then F10 to save. This becomes your center position when you recenter TrackIr.
- Check the Trueview box in the TrackIR software. Also, in the Aces High view options, there is a TrackIR related option (I forget exactly what it is) that needs to be checked also.
- When you re-center TrackIR, lean back in your seat a little bit farther then you do while flying. Then when you sit normally, you will be a little closer to your gun sight. This makes seeing around your seat back easier.
- The stiff/sore neck and back will pass after a period of time. Suffer through it and it will stop being a problem eventually.
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Could not, and would not fly without Track IR. :airplane:
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:banana:
Well worth the money, but takes a while to set up.
Lots of profiles in the forums to try :)
If your in The Few your poo
If your not in The GFC your wee
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If your in The Few your poo
If your not in The GFC your wee
It's you're Zack... You're... :bhead
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I stopped using Track IR, my biggest problems is getting my head into position for snapshots which my joystick can easily do with a hat switch (hotas warth
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I tried TrackIR twice, and although I love the concept of how it works, and the immersive purpose of it in the game, I literally kept getting headaches while using it. Very frustrating. :(
I got bad headaches when ever I worked on it.
HiTech
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Strange, I have never had even the slightest dizziness or headache problems.
I always thought it would be weird to to move your head seemingly all around the cockpit without multi monitors or an HMD, but it's amazing how natural it seems to move your head only slightly and get a new view on a single monitor.
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To be honest, I don't understand how people play this game without a TrackIR and pedals. I just love them both soooo much.
My eyes/brain seem to have no trouble adjusting to things like TrackIR and 3D for some reason, just lucky I guess. Never had headaches/vertigo from either. IMAX has messed with me now and again though, slightly concerned if I were ever to try an HMD.
The one piece of advice I feel is worth repeating over and over and over again with TrackIR is, fiddle with the profile until you get it exactly how you like it. It is the single most personal setting you have with the game, even moreso than joystick button mappings. If you don't have it working just how you want it, whatever's bugging you will only continue to bug you. It's kind of a tedious process, but the v5 software isn't too bad to work with.
I disagree with the 'uncheck roll' crowd, but everybody's different. The important thing with the roll axis is to have it set to 1:1, so when you tilt your head, it moves the same amount ingame. I find it helps me track the orientation of my plane better for some reason.
For a single monitor setup, I think the best way to use it is with a very aggressive setup. I only need to move my head or turn my head a couple inches in any direction to get full movement. I also like to have a pretty good sized deadband in the x/y/z axes so I can get my head back to center easily for gunnery. Once my head starts moving sideways, it only takes about a couple inches to move it all the way to the side of the cockpit.
Another tidbit I didn't notice mentioned is, you can turn off TIR with F9, hit one of the hat switch buttons and let it go to put your head back to center, and then move the 'at rest' position of your head to wherever you want it with the arrow keys and pgup/pgdn, and hit f10 to save it, just like you could before trackIR. I find this very useful for getting better six views out of the F4U series for example, by moving my head as high as I can get it.
My advice would be to try other peoples' profiles and find what you like, and then tweak it to be exactly how you want it.
Wiley.
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I got bad headaches when ever I worked on it.
HiTech
I think some people are sensitive to certain Video Graphics. It challenges your mind as it tries to orient yourself in space.
Some cheap games I had to give away in the past due to headaches/ dizziness. One was an old Starwars game first person shooter with bad graphics. People have been known to have epileptic episodes playing Video Games.
I watch my Grandson too long playing Halo and I have to walk away.
But I've never had an issue with AH as I don't use Trac IR and have played 6+ hours.
Sadly I don't think I could qualify for a NASA mission. :cry
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Its known that first person view videogames can give headaches if the angle of view is set to 70 degrees. The Elders Scroll series is a good exemple.
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:huh :huh :huh Cheaters...I still fly with Mouse! :banana: :x :banana: :x :banana: :x
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Just unpacked le trackIR5 I received for my birthday (I love my Girlfriend). I Installed the software, plugged it in, centered, launched aces high, mapped the buttons, and centered the view ingame.
I'm rolling a plane offline and as soon as I got the wheels off the runway I got overwhelmed with the feeling of actually flying! I've been playing this game for a decade+ now and the immersion you get with trackIR is brilliant!
Now for the gamey part, I used to have a decent SA and fear it will go down the drain for a while, but that is expected...Is there any way I can use an overnose view without having to put my face on the screen? And a 6 view outside the backplate without falling off my chair? :D
Wait till your stomach turns lol
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If you uncheck roll, x, y, z and TrueView in your TR profile, then you will be in 2-axis mode in the game which will use all of your F10 saved views from your hps file for each aircraft. I use that in IL2's to control the gunsight view and bird cage canopy birds to use my saved 6 view. In 2-axis mode your saved look over the hood gunsight view will be your default forward view.
In the very early days of TrackIR it emulated your mouse performing mouse pan view. Thus 2-axis mode.
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If you uncheck roll, x, y, z and TrueView in your TR profile, then you will be in 2-axis mode in the game which will use all of your F10 saved views from your hps file for each aircraft. I use that in IL2's to control the gunsight view and bird cage canopy birds to use my saved 6 view. In 2-axis mode your saved look over the hood gunsight view will be your default forward view.
In the very early days of TrackIR it emulated your mouse performing mouse pan view. Thus 2-axis mode.
very tempting!
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The things that helped me...
- Like Del said, uncheck the roll axis. Doing this really helped me to get used to TrackIR. Then after a month or so I was able to add it back without a problem.
- Like Del said again, add a little deadband to the center so you can get a good gunsight view.
- Pause TrackIR and position your view raised in the seat a little, but with the center of the gunsight still visible. Then F10 to save. This becomes your center position when you recenter TrackIr.
- Check the Trueview box in the TrackIR software. Also, in the Aces High view options, there is a TrackIR related option (I forget exactly what it is) that needs to be checked also.
- When you re-center TrackIR, lean back in your seat a little bit farther then you do while flying. Then when you sit normally, you will be a little closer to your gun sight. This makes seeing around your seat back easier.
- The stiff/sore neck and back will pass after a period of time. Suffer through it and it will stop being a problem eventually.
Dave,
The sore neck and headaches are what keeps me from trying TIR. I was in an accident and got whiplash,didnt know for 3 days as I thought I was ok but then the headaches and projectial vomitting told me something was wrong. Turns out it was whiplash and the migrains that came with it,guess they are really tension headaches but whatever,are something I never want to deal with again.
I get a sore neck just flying using a hatswitch so I think the TIR would be too much for me,to bad as I'd really like to give it a try.
:salute
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I had a hell of a time getting used to my TrackIR, in the beginning I battled constant nausea and vertigo. During the first frame of the recent scenario, I had such a bad bout of vertigo that I closed my eyes until it went away. Not something I'd recommend in a scenario! I think I've gotten to the point that switching back to hat switches would make things worse and I'm starting to have an easier time. If you use taters, the device makes shooting MUCH easier as you can more smoothly track the target.
Here are my rules for a good TrackIR experience;
1. Don't even bother using anyone's profile, unless you want to use it as a starting point.
2. If you're a very old hat user, I'd recommend a more aggressive profile so the delay in looking around is similar. However, read rule #1.
3. I found shooting with a gunsight that moved was very frustrating, so I put in a deadband in the center. Nothing is worse or more uncomfortable than having to keep your head perfectly still. However, read rule #1.
4. Disable roll axis and make the x axis (lean side to side) very aggressive to look around canopy bars and armor plate. However, read rule #1.
5. Set a joystick button in Aces High to re-center this device. This is a must, regardless of rule #1.
Mine is set up very similar to Delirium's ...Disable roll axis , I also disabled X axis because it was too much movement when I was trying to learn TrackIR. I also use a pretty big deadband on all Axis to keet the gunsight centered until I move my head quite a bit. I could turn X back on at this point but honestly I dont really see the need...if something is behind a canopy post I tweak my planes course just a hair so i can get vis. If you set your views in game with TrackIR off when you toggle it back on your TrackIR views will use the views you saved...this is a hell of alot easier for things like dead 6'oclock where you can just look to the left/right 45deg rather than having to lean at the same time you look left/right. My .02
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Green with envy ...think I will print and leave this post on the kitchen table for the wife to see :D
HL
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I went with Bustr's settings. I can look around, but still use my preset views :aok I'm using 2.0 sensibility and 10.0 smoothing, with the deadband TIR preset :airplane:
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Question: How does TrackIR affect recorded views in films?
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:huh :huh :huh Cheaters...I still fly with Mouse! :banana: :x :banana: :x :banana: :x
me too!@
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Question: How does TrackIR affect recorded views in films?
Track Ir views are not recorded.
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I'm getting better with this, I can shoot drones now and I'm kindof able to keep track of them. I'm set up very sensitively if I turn my head 15 degrees It makes me look on my dead 6...keeping the horizon in sight while performing a flat turn is possible now :joystick: