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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 4Prop on May 13, 2012, 02:39:33 PM
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hey guys,
I've got a Colt Government 1911. but I've recently been thinking about buying a "field" gun. something I'm not worried about gettin a little grit on it.
I've been looking at the ATI 1911A1's and the RIA 1911A1's. does anyone own either?
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I own two Rock Island Armory 1911s. I like them both very much, and the price was certainly attractive.
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_2887.jpg)
I took the wood grips off of both of them and replaced them with some Hogue palm swell grips on both. In the photo, the Hogue grips hadn't been put on the Officer's Model sized pistol yet.
I frequently recommend RIA 1911s when people ask. You just can't beat them for the money. They seem well made also. I have never had a single FTF or FTE malfunction in either pistol.
The only downside is that both of the pistols have the government style iron sites that leave a little something to be desired. Not a big deal to have better sites added later if you want.
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i've always heard Rock Island and Colt are teh best
oh and i finally got a chance to go out and shoot the Colt 1911 i bought that i had posted up here a few weeks ago, Shoots great! very accurate!
(http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s346/Selino30/201204261205051.jpg)
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Why have a single stack 1911 when you can have a double stack 1911 :D
http://whichgun.com/firearms/pistols/view/sti-2011-uspsa-double-stack
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I bought a Rock Island Arsenal 1911A1 back in 2002. Since then I've put hundreds of rounds through it without an issue. The mag that came with it is junk though, I threw mine away, literally. I bought some USGI after market magazines and they work like a charm. BTW... I think I paid $419 out the door for mine. I also bought some wood USGI WWII grips to install on my 1911. I didnt care for the bulky grips that came with it. I came across some USGI Vietnam era grips and bought them to try out, but went back to the WWII brown wood instead, I prefer the look. The sights are as plain-jane bare minimum as you're going to get. Certainly nothing spectacular.
One of my favorite things to do is to show up at the gun range and out-shoot guys with $1000-$2000 Kimber 1911's. If there are a snobbish groups in hanguns, owners of Kimbers and Glocks lead the pack.
I put the utmost confidence in my RIA 1911. Nothing wrong with Colt or Springfield, or even Kimber. But keep in mind that if you pay the extra $$$ for a name that equals value or status, be careful how you treat the gun. I wouldn't be lugging it around while you're chasing zombies and get some war wounds on it, the value of it just plummeted. :D
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looks like the RIA is the one to go with. thanks for all the reviews per say guys. I'm probably gonna get some USGI grips as loom said, i dont really like smooth grips like that. I'll probably pick it up next weekend
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Nothing wrong with the RIA. Just something to consider though is that if you decide you want to upgrade the sights there is a cost for that. You might want to shop around and see what that cost is then comparte it to another gun / brand that already has the sights you might want to have. I found a nice para P40-16 at a gun show a few months back. It was in NRA 99% condition and had adjustable sights on it. The guy was asking $600 at the time. Wish I had thge cash then.... BTW that is a double stack 1911, just in 40 S&W which would have been fine with me. Got brass in that caliber and slugs / ammo is cheaper than the 45.
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As an owner of an RIA 1911A1, I have to say it is my favorite handgun on the planet. Probably the safest too, since I despise semi-automatic pistols with a double-action trigger.
One word of warning, though, if you're going to spend money on a 1911, don't skimp on the magazines. I'd say 90% of all malfunctions with a 1911 are due to bad magazines. If you can, test them before you buy them (My shooting range let's us test the magazines before we buy them.)
If you have good magazines, the gun will never fail you. Bad magazines can do some very scary things to your 1911 on the range, believe me, I put something like 1,000 rounds downrange before I tried some cheap new magazines and boy was that scary watching the gun damn near fall apart on me. It's an unfortunate defect in the pistol design. I don't buy cheap magazines anymore, and my pistol never fails.
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hey guys,
I've got a Colt Government 1911. but I've recently been thinking about buying a "field" gun. something I'm not worried about gettin a little grit on it.
I've been looking at the ATI 1911A1's and the RIA 1911A1's. does anyone own either?
What's your budget?
Besides RIA, there are Kimber and Dan Wesson, and others, as well as Colt, like you mentioned.
I believe all firearms are meant to be used and get dirty, regardless of price, unless you're specifically buying something to sit in a safe and hope it appreciates over time.
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looks like the RIA is the one to go with. thanks for all the reviews per say guys. I'm probably gonna get some USGI grips as loom said, i dont really like smooth grips like that. I'll probably pick it up next weekend
I bought the RIA Government Model 1911 and it came with the smooth grips like PFactorDave's pics.
Replaced them with these neat Hogue knurled wood grips, which really give you a firm handle on the gun:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/CIMG0147.jpg)
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What's your budget?
Besides RIA, there are Kimber and Dan Wesson, and others, as well as Colt, like you mentioned.
I believe all firearms are meant to be used and get dirty, regardless of price, unless you're specifically buying something to sit in a safe and hope it appreciates over time.
Around 500. I like to try and keep my "top shelf" guns a little cleaner. I live on a farm and its usually pretty windy witch kicks up dust and other stuff. I'm basically just buying it to carry around the property cause of all the damn rattle snakes and coyotes. Its something I probably wont clean very often and it will probably get a little more grit on it then my other guns.
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As for magazines... I caught a sale at either MidwayUSA or Cheaper Than Dirt (I don't recall which) on a bunch of Chip McCormick magazines. Got them pretty cheap for both of my RIA's, maybe $12 each, and they work flawlessly... Always.
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As for magazines... I caught a sale at either MidwayUSA or Cheaper Than Dirt (I don't recall which) on a bunch of Chip McCormick magazines. Got them pretty cheap for both of my RIA's, maybe $12 each, and they work flawlessly... Always.
yeah I've got a few for my Colt I'll probably just slap in the RIA and pick up some more later
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Around 500. I like to try and keep my "top shelf" guns a little cleaner. I live on a farm and its usually pretty windy witch kicks up dust and other stuff. I'm basically just buying it to carry around the property cause of all the damn rattle snakes and coyotes. Its something I probably wont clean very often and it will probably get a little more grit on it then my other guns.
I wouldn't think twice about packing one of my RIA's for the duty you describe. They're simply solid basic firearms.
But for snakes I might pack this with some birdshot shells loaded, but only because I don't think it would be good for anything but snakes...
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_2898.jpg)
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Around 500. I like to try and keep my "top shelf" guns a little cleaner. I live on a farm and its usually pretty windy witch kicks up dust and other stuff. I'm basically just buying it to carry around the property cause of all the damn rattle snakes and coyotes. Its something I probably wont clean very often and it will probably get a little more grit on it then my other guns.
Gotcha.
Yep, still shooters, but something you won't worry about in the same regard.
I think PFactorD's advice is spot on and he's speaking from experience. :)
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
I don't have an AR15 yet... Soon... Soon... :D
So, I have no opinion to offer other then I have heard really good things about the Sig AR15s that are available these days.
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I sort of like my ParaOrdnance P-14 45, it's a Series 70 style 1911 pattern. Shoots as tight a group as you can hold.
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
They're fine. I've shot them and they ran without issue.
I don't own a Bushmaster, but I wouldn't hesitate to own one.
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
Nothing wrong with Bushmaster.
There are lots of good vendors out there including:
Bushmaster
Colt
Rock River Arms
Bravo Company
Spikes Tactical
Smith and Wesson
Armalite
DPMS
They're all various rifles or AR components occupying room in my safe. Can't go wrong with Magpul accessories and magazines either.
I even have one all polymer lower (including trigger group) from a company called Plum Crazy Firearms that so far has met expectations.
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I wouldn't think twice about packing one of my RIA's for the duty you describe. They're simply solid basic firearms.
But for snakes I might pack this with some birdshot shells loaded, but only because I don't think it would be good for anything but snakes...
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_2898.jpg)
That's why I bought mine. It also makes a nice pillow stuffer loaded with 00. Mine has a slightly longer barrel and different engraving. There's also a Judge that can fire the 454 Casull.
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
I wouldn't listen to those people about much then. :D
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As for magazines... I caught a sale at either MidwayUSA or Cheaper Than Dirt (I don't recall which) on a bunch of Chip McCormick magazines.
+1
I use these in all my 1911's from my CCW to my IPSC gun .......excellent mags.
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quick off topic question, I've heard some people say Bushmaster AR-15s are garbage and i've heard others who loved them, what is you're take on it?
Bushies are fine. And often a good bang for the buck.
I have a Springfield mil spec 1911. Its not a race gun but it won me a bunch of trophies back when I could see, tho I gotta say I never carried it on the street. Not that Im in the "never pack a 1911 club", I just think there are better tools for that job and while I Love the 1911 design time has marched on. If someone was going to carry it locked and cocked I'd say put in a lot of range time with it and be sure of your load, as in "never jamming". The Spring is a good gun. I have no problem recomending it.
That's why I bought mine. It also makes a nice pillow stuffer loaded with 00. Mine has a slightly longer barrel and different engraving. There's also a Judge that can fire the 454 Casull.
Try 5 rounds with a Rageing Bull with no ears on. :D I dare you.
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another reason I'm getting this 1911 is for my brother later on when he gets a little older.
this is just me..but I'm not a big fan of revolvers (other then black powder) so i dont think I'll be picking up a Judge anytime soon. if I needed some BBs or buckshot ive got a few shotguns for that.
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That's why I bought mine. It also makes a nice pillow stuffer loaded with 00. Mine has a slightly longer barrel and different engraving. There's also a Judge that can fire the 454 Casull.
And it'll shoot a .45 cowboy round :banana:
I shoot my dads MilSpec, Colt 45 he bought back in the 70's. He carried it with him in Turkey during his, as he puts it, "Special" days.
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+1
I use these in all my 1911's from my CCW to my IPSC gun .......excellent mags.
Can't go wrong with Wilson Combat either. I had a 10 round Chip McCormick go bad on me. I quit using them for carry purposes but I've never heard a bad thing about his 7-8 round mags.
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Kimber is what I carry... but I have heard nothing but good from RIA owners.
I do however bring the .460 with me when I go walking out on the back property.
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There's also a Judge that can fire the 454 Casull.
I don't think I would use that little thing in that caliber :huh
Try 5 rounds with a Rageing Bull with no ears on. :D I dare you.
Cheap copy :D
Freedom Arms,
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....back to the original question. Why did you buy the Colt? A safe queen? I carry at least one of my Colts everyday on the job, have for many years. They have character, and I have peice of mind. When I pass them down to my kids they won't be pretty and new but they will show they have been well used and well loved.
Use the Colt!
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Can't go wrong with Wilson Combat either. I had a 10 round Chip McCormick go bad on me. I quit using them for carry purposes but I've never heard a bad thing about his 7-8 round mags.
We sell a ton of the Wilson Combat mags.....I have a couple, and love them. I couldnt even make up anything bad about them, they are excellent........Never heard of a CMc mag go bad.......I have some for my IPSC 45 that have thousands of rounds thru them w/o a hickup......(Of course now that you mentioned it, at the next USPSA shoot, it will go bad on my last set of plates, on the last stage of the shoot :lol)
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It's just the one mag, the others are perfect. My Kimber was junk too so maybe I'm just lucky.
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....back to the original question. Why did you buy the Colt? A safe queen? I carry at least one of my Colts everyday on the job, have for many years. They have character, and I have peice of mind. When I pass them down to my kids they won't be pretty and new but they will show they have been well used and well loved.
Use the Colt!
I didnt buy it personally. Its not a safe queen because I probably shoot it as much as people shoot .22s.
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On the AR15 note......Bushmasters got the crap label because they ran a batch where they didnt stake the gas keys of the bolt carrier groups and they sheered off. They also didnt stake the castle nuts for awhile and they backed out. One more hit they take is they are not 100% milspec so the professionals or want to be pros crap on them.
As a matter of opinion of course.....and from what I've learned over time ( popcorn ready)
Ar15s per "serious" end users
Tier 1A (milspec and better)
Noveske
Larue Tactical
Tier 1 (per military spec ( US Technical Data Pack/ M4 Carbine) , Full Auto Bolt carrier group, documented magnetic particle tested and high pressure tested, 4150CMV chromlined milspec steel barrels hp and mp tested and marked level 3 anodizing,Heavy carbine buffer or H2 buffer standard etc. etc. )
Colt, Daniel Defense, Bravo Company Manufacturing, Lewis Machine and Tool, CMT ( STAG ) with "plus pack" etc.
Tier 2 ( partial military spec, some commercial grade ( 4140 steel barrels semi/auto carriers,carbine buffers/larger than normal gas ports (overgassed) to run .223, non milspec processes ( melonite/ferritic nitrocarbonized barrels etc.) but proper QC ( MP tested bolts, properly staked gas keys/castlenuts )
Smith and Wesson
( Smith suffered early critisim for sourcing parts from all over and having out of spec magwells. Their QC tightened up as they moved forging and machining capability in house. Also they aquired Thompson Center to manufacture in house barrels)
Tier 3 Commerical grade with some milspec parts but serious past or present QC issues and questionable/non exsistent testing procedures.
Rock River arms, Bushmaster, DPMS,Armalite
Go over to M4 Carbine.net if you want to see some fun forum fireworks discussing the quality of AR15 rifles. Those guys over there run the forum with an Iron fist LOL ;)
I own a muscled up Smith ( quick pics ).
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/IMG_1547crop.jpg)
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Any whoo to the OP good luck in your search for your next 1911. If I had the cash I'd go Colt. Actually if I had the cash I'd go Nighthawk........:) For a field gun I personally carry a Glock 21. Not beautiful (its pretty in its own Austrian " but her face" kind of way) like a 1911 but the damn thing goes bang every time.
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Nice gun billy. BTW I already have a Colt.
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Nice gun billy. BTW I already have a Colt.
Ha Ha just put that together LOL on me. Well you should just get it over with and buy this :rock
(http://www.nighthawktactical.com/grp-recon/GRP1.jpg)
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I have a Springfield Mil Spec, bought new $450. Never had an issue with it, a hint of a play in the trigger thats all. Can't go wrong with that price/quality. Iron site is very accurate I think, don't need something else, I mean I'm not planning on consistently popping quarters @50y.
(http://allensgunshop.com/image/cache/data/springfield%201911%20mil%20spec-500x500.jpg)
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I have a Springfield Mil Spec, bought new $450. Never had an issue with it, a hint of a play in the trigger thats all. Can't go wrong with that price/quality. Iron site is very accurate I think, don't need something else, I mean I'm not planning on consistently popping quarters @50y.
(http://allensgunshop.com/image/cache/data/springfield%201911%20mil%20spec-500x500.jpg)
1911? the pic isnt loading for me. idk why :headscratch:
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Here :cheers:
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Ill add my 45 pron pics :D PHoto of my next one (its on order :x)
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Mine
My pride and joy, my Dad was on the US army pistol team back in the early 50s, this was his gun Its a Rem Rand frame with everything else Colt (I still have all the RemRand parts too)......he had a deal with an off base gunsmith.......if he needed anything for the gun, the gunsmith would do it, in return my dad would get him cigarettes at PX prices....not sure how he managed to keep it.
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/1911.jpg)
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IPSC gun
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I have a Springfield Mil Spec, bought new $450. Never had an issue with it, a hint of a play in the trigger that's all. Can't go wrong with that price/quality. Iron site is very accurate I think, don't need something else, I mean I'm not planning on consistently popping quarters @50y.
(http://allensgunshop.com/image/cache/data/springfield%201911%20mil%20spec-500x500.jpg)
This and That
Here :cheers:
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Absolutely,
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Ill add my 45 pron pics :D PHoto of my next one (its on order :x)
Traded the Kimber in on this.
(http://sgcusa.com/images/supporting_images_large/WilsonCombat_CQB_3in_Angle_C.jpg)
Ha Ha just put that together LOL on me. Well you should just get it over with and buy this :rock
(http://www.nighthawktactical.com/grp-recon/GRP1.jpg)
Well hello there. :x
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Traded the Kimber in on this.
(http://sgcusa.com/images/supporting_images_large/WilsonCombat_CQB_3in_Angle_C.jpg)
We really need a drooling emoticon :D
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And it'll shoot a .45 cowboy round :banana:
I shoot my dads MilSpec, Colt 45 he bought back in the 70's. He carried it with him in Turkey during his, as he puts it, "Special" days.
Hmmmm. I was there in the " '70s" " and the Turks wouldnt even allow us to bring in our own shotguns to hunt with. Since it was only USAF in country, and we were armed with S&W revolvers as handguns I think Daddy might be telling you a tale. Unless he, and you, are Turks. And he was a Turkish cop. No. I see your a USAF Brat. Even the pilots would have been armed with S&W M-56s and I dont ever remember a pilot even carrying them. USAF adopted revolvers in the early '60s.
Better sit down with Daddy and have a talk. The Turks went ape at the thought of any kinda gun they didnt know about in country. As in "Midnight Express" ape. Thats what Military Juntas and Martial Law means. He told one truth tho. They were "wild days".
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My first and only 1911 right now is my Springfield TRP.
Absolutely love this firearm. Its my go to gun if anything happens
(http://images.lowpriceguns.com/i.php?a=10&id=60353&w=394&h=278)
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Hmmmm. I was there in the " '70s" " and the Turks wouldnt even allow us to bring in our own shotguns to hunt with. Since it was only USAF in country, and we were armed with S&W revolvers as handguns I think Daddy might be telling you a tale. Unless he, and you, are Turks. And he was a Turkish cop. No. I see your a USAF Brat. Even the pilots would have been armed with S&W M-56s and I dont ever remember a pilot even carrying them. USAF adopted revolvers in the early '60s.
Better sit down with Daddy and have a talk. The Turks went ape at the thought of any kinda gun they didnt know about in country. As in "Midnight Express" ape. Thats what Military Juntas and Martial Law means. He told one truth tho. They were "wild days".
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He told me this story when I was very little I may just remember incorrectly and he bought it post Turkey. He wasnt a pilot though he was Special Forces.
Now I feel stupid :uhoh
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My first and only 1911 right now is my Springfield TRP.
Absolutely love this firearm. Its my go to gun if anything happens
(http://images.lowpriceguns.com/i.php?a=10&id=60353&w=394&h=278)
Where's that drooling emoticon? :O
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He told me this story when I was very little I may just remember incorrectly and he bought it post Turkey. He wasnt a pilot though he was Special Forces.
Now I feel stupid :uhoh
We didnt have special forces. We did have Para-rescue and they carried what "we" carried. GAU's/M-16s, M-60s, M-204s, M-15s....ect. They were very elite but werent considered special forces in those days. They mostly rescued pilots down. Now they are far more jack of all trades in the special forces family.
Dont worry about it. When my kid was a baby I told him I was with Neil Armstrong during his famous walk. Just remember your on the internet and I wish I had a knickle for everyone claiming to be ex SF, instead of those like me who admit they were only illiterate grunts. :confused:
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I remember about 10 years ago Kimber made far better pistols than they do now. Around the time the Warrior came around the production quality took a nose dive, at least to the ones our shop were getting, and we were the Canadian National distributor for their handguns and rifles.
I still like my warrior, it's seen hard use, and I have a TLE 2 that I used for single stack shoots around here with many thousands of rounds through it, I can't be exact, but very very few malfunctions of any sort with it.
There are SO many good manufacturers now...I've been running a NightHawk custom gun for a while now, and it by far is the best 1911 I've owned. It's a semi-Bull barrel 1911, not a bushing barrel, sort of an integral bushing, and I think that it's the way to go for a carry/duty 1911. It locks up in such a precise unique way, that there are many competitions where this pistol is disqualified as it gives the shooter "too much of an advantage".
I also shot a couple of 1911s that Larry Vickers had at a course I did on explosive entry, pistols that were built custom for SF personnel, and they were by far and away the best in terms of trigger pull and functionality, but they weren't for sale or based on any model that you can just go out and "buy" like a NightHawk.
As for AR15's, a previous poster (BillyD) made a great analysis of most of the current manufacturers, but he missed the best one IMO. Of course, I am biased a bit, my friend and former instructor Kevin Boland is their military sales rep now - Knights Armament.
You said Ar15??!
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We didnt have special forces. We did have Para-rescue and they carried what "we" carried. GAU's/M-16s, M-60s, M-204s, M-15s....ect. They were very elite but werent considered special forces in those days. They mostly rescued pilots down. Now they are far more jack of all trades in the special forces family.
Dont worry about it. When my kid was a baby I told him I was with Neil Armstrong during his famous walk. Just remember your on the internet and I wish I had a knickle for everyone claiming to be ex SF, instead of those like me who admit they were only illiterate grunts. :confused:
He wasnt a PJ he was a attached to a GLCM truck and provided perimeter security. They put him under the SF veil I guess.
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We didnt have special forces. We did have Para-rescue and they carried what "we" carried. GAU's/M-16s, M-60s, M-204s, M-15s....ect. They were very elite but werent considered special forces in those days. They mostly rescued pilots down. Now they are far more jack of all trades in the special forces family.
:headscratch:
Dont worry about it. When my kid was a baby I told him I was with Neil Armstrong during his famous walk. Just remember your on the internet and I wish I had a knickle for everyone claiming to be ex SF, instead of those like me who admit they were only illiterate grunts.
Ahah +1
In the Air Force I was an intelligence officer on a 'fusie commando' training camp. But in the AF the ' commandos' (all but one unit) are just the grunts that guard the ABs. Next thing I know I'm introduced as a SF. I barely knew how to shoot a Famas :headscratch:
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I remember about 10 years ago Kimber made far better pistols than they do now. Around the time the Warrior came around the production quality took a nose dive, at least to the ones our shop were getting, and we were the Canadian National distributor for their handguns and rifles.
I still like my warrior, it's seen hard use, and I have a TLE 2 that I used for single stack shoots around here with many thousands of rounds through it, I can't be exact, but very very few malfunctions of any sort with it.
There are SO many good manufacturers now...I've been running a NightHawk custom gun for a while now, and it by far is the best 1911 I've owned. It's a semi-Bull barrel 1911, not a bushing barrel, sort of an integral bushing, and I think that it's the way to go for a carry/duty 1911. It locks up in such a precise unique way, that there are many competitions where this pistol is disqualified as it gives the shooter "too much of an advantage".
I also shot a couple of 1911s that Larry Vickers had at a course I did on explosive entry, pistols that were built custom for SF personnel, and they were by far and away the best in terms of trigger pull and functionality, but they weren't for sale or based on any model that you can just go out and "buy" like a NightHawk.
As for AR15's, a previous poster (BillyD) made a great analysis of most of the current manufacturers, but he missed the best one IMO. Of course, I am biased a bit, my friend and former instructor Kevin Boland is their military sales rep now - Knights Armament.
You said Ar15??!
(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i382/Gmansig220/ar15s.jpg)
I have been seriously looking into a Night Hawk GRP Recon for about six months now. You might have just pissed off my wife and I thank you for it. I was looking at Kimber as well and noticed some similar trends in "service issues". A few of my friends have sent their back for work.
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Ahah +1
In the Air Force I was an intelligence officer on a 'fusie commando' training camp. But in the AF the ' commandos' (all but one unit) are just the grunts that guard the ABs. Next thing I know I'm introduced as a SF. I barely knew how to shoot a Famas :headscratch:
Actually after Basic SPs took a 4 week technical course at LackLand and then a 4 week combat course at an army camp outside SanAntone called "Camp Bullis". We were trained in infantry tactics and shot our weapons a lot, including hand grenades and even a 0.50 Browning. We were not only responsable for base Law Enforcement but we guarded all USAF special weapons and special weapon delivery platforms. Nobody got near them unless we said they could. I also worked special weapons convoys on TDYs.
So I guess we were more then just grunts. "Grunts" dont have TS clearances. But one thing we didnt have since the early '60s was 1911 pistols.
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I was looking at Kimber as well and noticed some similar trends in "service issues". A few of my friends have sent their back for work.
Mine was crap and I can't tell you how dissapointed I was.
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It's unfortunate that so many good gun makers sacrifice the quality that they built their reputations on in favor of more mass production and increased sales. Kimber is far from the first company to go down this road. Too bad really.